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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2011, 07:54:18 PM »

OK Doug,
Now that sounds too technical for me but I do get what you are telling me.
It's a real shame as this only happened because the town that was owned by the one Family was sold off in 40 acre lots and that's why there is electricity there now.
Do you think the Specific GB will work in this situation?
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sd2200d digger

If the effect is caused by near surface earth currents from the swer power lines then the answer is no! Nothing will work! Still give  specific GB a go you have nothing to loose!
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2011, 08:05:32 PM »

OK,
Will try it out Doug, let you know when it's been tested.

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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2011, 09:30:36 PM »

Hi Digger,

I don't know if specific will work there, no harm trying! But to confirm the theory of the ground currents, if there is ever a blackout, you could try then! But it's probably too far from your house..... Oh well it was a thought!
What about an anti interference coil? Have you tried detecting in cancel?

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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2011, 10:14:59 PM »

 Here are some of the effects  that swer power lines can have on adjacent telecommunication lines from, a S African document. Easy to see why in some situations it could cause huge problems for detectors!

Background to SWER and coupling it with telecommunication lines
SWER is a power delivery method in electrical distribution systems whereby the current to a load is supplied by a single overhead high-voltage conductor with an earth return path.
This method was pioneered in Australia and New Zealand in the 1940s and 1950s, and is widely used there and in other countries [3,6,9]. The voltages used in Australia are 12,7 kV and 19,1 kV, with full load operating earth return currents of the order of 15 A to 20 A. (Until the 1970s, a limit of 8 A was enforced, but this has now been relaxed.)
The first SWER schemes built in South Africa since 1988 were all built to meet the full load earth current limit of 8 A, in compliance with the earlier Australian practice. However, it has become desirable to increase this limit to the range of 15 A to 30 A maximum, to allow larger, more cost effective SWER networks to be operated in the future. A technical study has recently been done to see if this is feasible [5]; the finding from this is that maximum currents of 25 A to 30 A are feasible, provided, inter alia, that the levels of electrostatic, electromagnetic and conductive coupling with adjacent telephone lines are kept to safe and compatible levels.
 (As part of the safety assessments in any SWER scheme, step and touch potentials also have to be evaluated, but this aspect is outside the scope of this guide - see ref [18].)
The basic reason why SWER lines can cause proportionately more interference than conventional three-phase lines is that the 50 Hz full load and harmonic currents (line charging , transformer magnetizing and load distortion currents) penetrate hundreds of metres into the earth, depending on the soil resistivity and frequency; this in turn creates an inducing loop of large area that causes higher levels of steady-state electromagnetic coupling with adjacent telephone lines (detector coils as well?) than is the case with conventional three-phase lines. The resulting steady-state longitudinal (common mode) and transverse (differential mode) voltages induced in the telephone lines may then cause interference in the relevant voice-band circuits. During earth faults on the SWER line, the increased levels of earth return current cause a temporary increase in the 50 Hz longitudinal induced voltage in the telephone line, in the same way that happens during faults on three-phase lines.
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2011, 10:53:33 PM »

Hi Mechanic,
I gave cancel mode a try twice and each time it just went haywire and I thought cancel was supposed to be exactly what it says "cancel" so after that this gully was a no detecting zone for me.
So if cancel does nt work do you think an anti-interference coil will do the job here?
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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 09:37:51 AM »

Hi Mechanic,
I gave cancel mode a try twice and each time it just went haywire and I thought cancel was supposed to be exactly what it says "cancel" so after that this gully was a no detecting zone for me.
So if cancel does nt work do you think an anti-interference coil will do the job here?
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sd2200d digger

If cancel mode does not work then I doubt that an anti interference coil will either.But the only way to be sure is to give it a try.See if you can borrow an A1 coil from coiltek.
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