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« on: Wednesday February 13 2019 09:22:13 AEDT AM »

Cant post in other sections doug. Sorry alarmists but it is joke made by socialists and leftys to feather there nest.

  

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 10:16:54 AEDT AM »

  
Cant post in other sections doug. Sorry alarmists but it is joke made by socialists and leftys to feather there nest.

  

Reg my spelling is okay you rude person.

Where is your evidence to support your opinion that its a socialist and lefty plot to feather their nest? With respect this is the typical lie that climate change deniers often resort to when they know that the science and the physics  and a huge amount of  data show that the earth is warming in response the rising C02 levels!
Extreme weather is only one of the many possible consequences of climate change and the scientists are being very conservative in what they say about the frequency/severity  of extreme weather event.This is because extreme weather events are rare  and   reliable data in many cases is simply lacking and the monitoring time  is too short.
However the data for the many other adverse effects  of anthropogenic climate change are well  known and well understood.
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 12:09:03 AEDT PM »

The goal is power    Models exaggerated    Why would UN do tbis UN agenda 2030 world government based on socialism        You label me denier I label you Alarmist marxist
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 12:21:03 AEDT PM »

  
The goal is power    Models exaggerated    Why would UN do tbis UN agenda 2030 world government based on socialism     https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld You label me denier I label you Alarmist marxist

As a retired scientist i base my views on the  best  peer reviewed climate  science ,the known physics of  greenhouse gases and the  enormous vol of diverse evidence that shows that anthropogenic climate change is happening !Politics has nothing to do with it!
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 17:04:14 AEDT PM »

  

 Alarmist marxist


It is rule of nature over million of years.

Marxism is less than 200 years old and has nothing to do with climate change.

Climate constantly change in intervals from warming to cooling, again and again.

Warming periods are predisposition to cooling periods and vice versa.

It is unavoidable natural biorhythm. Look at graph below.

Question is how human interventions in nature accelerate and potentiate separate
periods of global warming or global cooling. Par example: greenhouse gases lead at the
end to a lower thermal permeability of the atmosphere and hence to cold ice periods.

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 17:52:27 AEDT PM »

Realise climate has changed many timez over many million of years. What 5 ice ages about. Point is current alarmist reaction to climate change is driving power grab; exaggerated models and push for socialism marxist UN agenda 2030. These people are using falsely exaggerated models to help alarm people and push there agenda 2030. Climate is changing but not like they say.
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 18:13:23 AEDT PM »

  

 socialism marxist UN agenda 2030.


Where did you find words "socialism" or "Marxist" in UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development?

UN Agenda 2030 put people and humanity before profit. What is wrong with this?

Are you advocating unsustainable development with unlimited robbery of natural resources,
destruction of the environment and wearing respiratory masks during shopping and fitness walks
as we can already see in unsustainable development examples as in some (marxist) China towns?

Seems this is your ideal of "profit in first line" development:

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 20:52:36 AEDT PM »

I certainly dont believe following china is way too go. UN chief does United Nations climate chief Christiana Figueres said that democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. Communist China, she says, is the best model.    good luck with that UN 2030 puts global socialism marxist systems first. Climate change is a real thing but used as a political tool now with lot of fake news. Man is like a fart globelly compered to nature CO2. Australia dont need to follow china communist system to have good sustainable development practice Enough said for me. Im not a lefty communist
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 21:11:44 AEDT PM »

  
Realise climate has changed many timez over many million of years. What 5 ice ages about. Point is current alarmist reaction to climate change is driving power grab; exaggerated models and push for socialism marxist UN agenda 2030. These people are using falsely exaggerated models to help alarm people and push there agenda 2030. Climate is changing but not like they say.

Please note that any political discussion is NOT permitted on this forum.Any future posts where this arises  will be deleted or edited.
I will only permit discussion on the science and the body of evidence that supports anthropogenic climate change.
Yes climate has changed many times in the past in response to orbital effects eg Milankovitch cycles -eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession, tectonic events like massive volcanic eruptions, sudden perturbations like asteroid impacts and variations  in solar output. But the changes being observed today are not due to natural variation.
For example we know from ice core data that when the earth has emerged from past ice ages the temperature rose about 6 deg C over about 6000 years. Since the industrial revolution mans activities has raised the earths temperature by at least 1 deg C  ie  rate 5-10X faster than when the earth has emerged from past ice ages.
If we look at atmospheric co2 levels they have been between 180 ppm during an ice age to 280ppm in a more normal temperate climate and have remained in this range for at least 800,000 years. The  C02 level at present is 403ppm a level not seen on earth for millions of years.How can we add 40% more C02 a known greenhouse and not expect the earth to warm in response? Again the rate of C02 increase is far faster then  when the earth emerged from ice ages.The warming mechanism is also different. In Milankovitch cycles the warming preceded the rise in C02.Now we see C02 preceding and driving the temperature increase.
The climate models are not exaggerating anything they are simply trying to predict possible outcomes based on various emission senarios and to try and understand the climate system better.
  
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday February 13 2019 21:22:22 AEDT PM »

  
Man is like a fart globelly compered to nature CO2.
Sorry this  factually incorrect! Mans activities  principally the burning of fossil fuels is the major reason why atmospheric C02 levels  have risen 40% since the start of the industrial revolution.
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday February 14 2019 10:37:01 AEDT AM »

Let just agree to disagree doug. Plenty of scientists believe that figure to be exaggerated and factually incorrect    Other studies show that since 1850 man has contributed 40% of total atmospheric CO2 level level increase as a whole is small amount
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« Reply #11 on: Thursday February 14 2019 11:59:04 AEDT AM »

  
Let just agree to disagree doug. Plenty of scientists believe that figure to be exaggerated and factually incorrect    Other studies show that since 1850 man has contributed 40% of total atmospheric CO2 level level increase as a whole is small amount

If mans contribution to the rise of atmospheric C02 from about 280 ppm prior to the industrial revolution to 403 ppm now , is small as you and the link infer then where has the rest of the C02 come from?
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday February 14 2019 12:36:15 AEDT PM »

  

... Plenty of scientists believe that figure to be exaggerated and factually incorrect ...


Plenty?  How about less that 3% of climate scientists? Some of these may be in the skeptics camp (for reasons other than their scientific findings or beliefs). Nothing wrong with skepticism itself as long as they use good data and can support their claims logically in front of their peers. As they largely cant,  it's why climate change is largely accepted by ALMOST ALL scientists. Such change is getting worse and more extreme.  Most change worldwide IS largely caused by man's activity (esp burning fossil fuels.) and its impacts will be felt in every way, everywhere.

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday February 14 2019 17:26:03 AEDT PM »

  

Some of these may be in the skeptics camp (for reasons other than their scientific findings or beliefs).


Those scientist mostly argue against global warming or against global cooling, which is nonsense.

We cannot separate global warming from global cooling, cause one lead to other unavoidable.
One is predisposition to other. This mean that extreme global warming at the end lead to global
cooling and extreme global cooling at the end lead to global warming in unavoidable natural
cyclical fluctuations.

Man is able to intervene in those natural cyclical fluctuations. Mankind is now able to accelerate
or inhibit those natural cyclical fluctuations. Acceleration those natural cyclical fluctuations (as
seen today), can quickly become very dangerous play to the fate of man's population.

So we cannot argue, if this year, or last 10 years, we face with global warming or global cooling.
This is nonsense, both are dangerous. As I am not willing to see oceans to rise for say 2 meters
and flood big parts of continents in global warming, the same I am not willing to go again into
new Ice Age, as results of global cooling.

Why not? Cause we are able to manage our self-threatening environmental impact and not  
accelerate natural cyclical fluctuations. We are able, if we are smart enough. Are we? Sometimes
this is doubtful.

Right question is not about actual global warming or actual global cooling. Question is, if actual
man's environmental impact accelerate climate changes or not. Irrefutable scientific evidences
from different field of observations argue, that in last 100 years registered accelerate climate changes are
influenced by mankind impact to environment. And things get even worse. Worse in catastrophic direction.

Catastrophic, no mater, if on our horizon we figure ocean rise and floods, or new Ice Age. From point
of natural cyclical fluctuations both results are correct. All is about changes in time. (Climate) changes
in time are field of our influence and coming operation. We can accelerate those dangerous processes
or inhibit it. For (near) future benefit of us and generations of our kids. What is our decision?
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« Reply #14 on: Thursday February 14 2019 18:34:57 AEDT PM »

  
Let just agree to disagree doug. Plenty of scientists believe that figure to be exaggerated and factually incorrect

Plenty of church 500 years ago believed the earth was flat because they had invested interest in it, but it turned out different. It looks like another argument in much the same style.

I have to say I am with Doug on this one as I am also a scientists (though much smaller) and as such I can see where things are coming from and where they are heading at.

You need to open your eyes and use your common sense here.
How long deforestation can continue before the planet turns into a desert?
How long species can go extinct before we follow them up?
How long can we dump plastics in the oceans before all left to catch is our own garbage?
How much smoke can this planet take from us before we turn into smoke?

According to Newton's law every action is met with equal and opposite reaction. Now I am trying to imagine on the long run what the opposite reaction of the planet to us will be, but my imagination is poor.

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« Reply #15 on: Friday February 15 2019 12:08:20 AEDT PM »

  

Realise climate has changed many timez over many million of years. What 5 ice ages about. Point is current alarmist reaction to climate change is driving power grab; exaggerated models and push for socialism marxist UN agenda 2030. These people are using falsely exaggerated models to help alarm people and push there agenda 2030. Climate is changing but not like they say.


Bazzo,

have a look at this, its not political or a leftie plot... these are facts about scientific invetigations. Some may show anomalies but thats normal in teh quest for higher degrees of confidence in predictions etc

  

Climate Change that's most alarming to mankind is what happening(in past few decades especially, or that's measured as a trend (temp, storms, CO2 etc) since the industrial revolution.

What happened 000s and millions of years ago was SLOW CHANGE. Whats more it happened to life as it was, before Man (as he is) existed. Recent change is what matters, and what we do about it. I reckon its too late to reverse before catasrophic events worldwide. We (our children and grandchildren) will see and feel the heat, storms and floods.

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