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Title: Malcolm Roberts' demand for 'empirical evidence' on climate change is misleading
Post by: Doug on Monday January 2 2017 09:32:06 AEDT AM
Why Malcolm Roberts' demand for 'empirical evidence' on climate change is misleading
Roberts’ argument that science is only about “empirical evidence” might sound all sciencey to his interviewees and the lay audience. But it’s bunk.
If all you rely on is “empirical evidence”, and reject modelling and analysis that uses that data, then you basically throw out large swathes of modern scientific endeavours.
Prof Steven Sherwood, director of the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales, told me:
The argument is specious.
“Anyone can claim there is no evidence if they refuse to look at it. In Galileo’s time, some people refused to look into his telescope and then claimed there was no evidence to support what he was saying. Same thing today.
The problem is that evidence does not stand up by itself and announce the answer to any given question. Evidence must be interpreted by humans. Scientists have all interpreted the evidence, going back decades, and unanimously agree that it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that (a) humans are increasing CO2 and (b) this is causing warming. There is not a single respectable atmospheric scientist in the world whom I know of, who disagrees with either of these conclusions (there are a handful who challenge the magnitude of the effect but that’s a different question).It is impossible to make a prediction based on data alone. Only a model can make a prediction of anything that has not happened yet.

And this from a journalists Sums up Malcom Roberts(and the denier dope Inhere ::620::) perfectly!
In considering your request that I identify errors in the report you sent to me – CSIROh! Climate of Deception? Or First Step to Freedom? – I find myself confronting an unusual problem: how does one critically analyse a pile of horseshit?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2016/aug/09/why-one-nation-senator-malcolm-roberts-demand-for-empirical-evidence-on-climate-change-is-misleading-bunk
link-https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2016/aug/09/why-one-nation-senator-malcolm-roberts-demand-for-empirical-evidence-on-climate-change-is-misleading-bunk
doug ::419::


Title: Re: Malcolm Roberts' demand for 'empirical evidence' on climate change is misleading
Post by: kazza on Friday January 6 2017 11:43:44 AEDT AM
Awww, Doug, not only was 2016 the hottest year on record, but also another independent study from University of California, Berkeley, + Berkeley Earth, a non-profit research institute, + NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory + the California Institute of Technology,  Pasadena, + University in Fairfax:

Zeke Hausfather, Kevin Cowtan, David C. Clarke, Peter Jacobs, Mark Richardson, Robert Rohde. “Assessing recent warming using instrumentally homogeneous sea surface temperature records.” Science Advances, 2017

showing that there was no warming hiatus between 1998 and 2015. But fortunately for the deniers, they will smugly comfort themselves but claiming that all the data is fudged, and that none of the really seriously dumb scientists working day-in-day-out in climate science have noticed this fudging, but the very extra specially clever brilliant genius GW deniers, none working day-in-day-out in this field, somehow have realised this fudging.


Title: Re: Malcolm Roberts' demand for 'empirical evidence' on climate change is misleading
Post by: Doug on Friday January 6 2017 12:18:48 AEDT PM
  
Awww, Doug, not only was 2016 the hottest year on record, but also another independent study from University of California, Berkeley, + Berkeley Earth, a non-profit research institute, + NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory + the California Institute of Technology,  Pasadena, + University in Fairfax:

Zeke Hausfather, Kevin Cowtan, David C. Clarke, Peter Jacobs, Mark Richardson, Robert Rohde. “Assessing recent warming using instrumentally homogeneous sea surface temperature records.” Science Advances, 2017

showing that there was no warming hiatus between 1998 and 2015. But fortunately for the deniers, they will smugly comfort themselves but claiming that all the data is fudged, and that none of the really seriously dumb scientists working day-in-day-out in climate science have noticed this fudging, but the very extra specially clever brilliant genius GW deniers, none working day-in-day-out in this field, somehow have realised this fudging.


Here is the link to the full text
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/1/e1601207.full
link-http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/1/e1601207.full
doug ::419::