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« on: November 07, 2010, 06:23:37 PM »

Hi All,

I've been surfing the net all day and reading some other forums (international ones) about detecting for gold from 'lost treasure' sites and got to thinking (and doing more surfing) about the various shipwrecks that have occurred on Australian beaches over the last couple of centeries. Many of them were reported to be carrying gold in various forms - and the majority of the gold has never been recovered.

My question is, has anyone on the forum tried detecting in any of the locations that these shipswrecks occurred???

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 07:52:50 PM »

There are dozens of shipwrecks around Australia's coastline, some in deep water others in shallow water.

But most are considered historic & archaeological sites and one cannot dive and take anything you like from them. There are very tight regulations on which you can explore, but detecting in and around them my guess in most cases would be a very strict NO and if caught you would be in trouble. Universities doing approved research is a different matter.

That's my take on the matter. You can Google the subject on the Australian site and find more about regulations.

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 10:05:49 PM »

I read 2 stories today about ships that got me thinking down this path...

The first is about the the German Passanger ship the Seydlitz in 1914 that was the last German ship that sailed from Sydney harbour before they where stopped because of WW1. It made it's way up the north coast, and the Australian destroyer Parramatta was sent out after it to bring it back to port. The Seydlitz apparently had a cargo of 3,000 gold sovereigns and jewels (reportedly diamonds) and important documents from wealth Germans living in Sydney. The captain of the Seydlitz was aware of being followed so they off-loaded a copper sea chest with the gold, jewels and documents and stashed it somewhere behind the beach around the Ballina / Tweed Heads / Byron Bay area. This cache of gold and gems has never been located. So, no real shipwreck with this one - but I don't know what the historical / archaeological rules would be for a find like this - if someone did manage to find it.

The second was the story about the Chang Chow in 1884 that left Newcastle bound for Hong Kong with around 120 Chinese diggers aboard returning to their homeland with their gold and gold sovereigns that struck a reef just off Frazer Island. It was reported at the time that some of the Chinese were carrying up to 800 sovereigns each, possible more, and that one of the men who fell into the sea had 30 pounds of gold strapped to his chest and disappeared. "tides and currents may have swept their treasure-laden bodies to any number of locations on Fraser Island. To date, the treasure has not yet been recovered". So again, not actually searching in the shipwreck, more looking for where items from the ship may have washed ashore....

So, I guess I'm more thinking of beachcombing in the general areas of these shipwrecks for things that may have washed ashore rather then actually hunting / detecting in the sites themselves - assuming you could pin-point the site and it wasn't underwater
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 10:59:31 PM »

In that case it sounds like beach detecting to me and the usual laws applying to finds on beaches and public places would apply.

I think technically you should show or report personal items ("lost property" belonging to others) to Police providing them a chance for reported items to be returned. But old treasure & coins? I dunno. THose who study such finds may consider it part of our national heritage and would stop exports. But museum and universities woud be intersted in any such olde finds of any items found on beaches from sunken ships like you suggest.

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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 11:59:44 PM »

I read 2 stories today about ships that got me thinking down this path...

The first is about the the German Passanger ship the Seydlitz in 1914 that was the last German ship that sailed from Sydney harbour before they where stopped because of WW1. It made it's way up the north coast, and the Australian destroyer Parramatta was sent out after it to bring it back to port. The Seydlitz apparently had a cargo of 3,000 gold sovereigns and jewels (reportedly diamonds) and important documents from wealth Germans living in Sydney. The captain of the Seydlitz was aware of being followed so they off-loaded a copper sea chest with the gold, jewels and documents and stashed it somewhere behind the beach around the Ballina / Tweed Heads / Byron Bay area. This cache of gold and gems has never been located. So, no real shipwreck with this one - but I don't know what the historical / archaeological rules would be for a find like this - if someone did manage to find it.

The second was the story about the Chang Chow in 1884 that left Newcastle bound for Hong Kong with around 120 Chinese diggers aboard returning to their homeland with their gold and gold sovereigns that struck a reef just off Frazer Island. It was reported at the time that some of the Chinese were carrying up to 800 sovereigns each, possible more, and that one of the men who fell into the sea had 30 pounds of gold strapped to his chest and disappeared. "tides and currents may have swept their treasure-laden bodies to any number of locations on Fraser Island. To date, the treasure has not yet been recovered". So again, not actually searching in the shipwreck, more looking for where items from the ship may have washed ashore....

So, I guess I'm more thinking of beachcombing in the general areas of these shipwrecks for things that may have washed ashore rather then actually hunting / detecting in the sites themselves - assuming you could pin-point the site and it wasn't underwater




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