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Title: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Sunday July 21 2019 05:10:03 AEST AM
Here is the new addition to the Nexus range of aftermarket search coils for the Minelab, QED and other gold prospecting metal detectors.
The 21"CC is equipped with the same dual cable and Mode switch box to enable the coil to cover every possible performance offered by Mono, DD and Concentric coils simultaneously.

https://youtu.be/CYnQHlws4IY (https://youtu.be/CYnQHlws4IY)


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Tuesday July 23 2019 06:12:01 AEST AM
To mylab; Here it is.
This video was ready yesterday, but had no chance to get it uploaded.
Same targets on the same day just after the 30"CC was tested. Got the two coils together for this test.

https://youtu.be/bnHh2uAWGrU (https://youtu.be/bnHh2uAWGrU)


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: mylab on Saturday July 27 2019 00:25:41 AEST AM
Yes thanks and was interesting viewing as you do go about your testing regime in a very thorough manner including all of your other GPX test videos. And your latest in ground test using those Roman coins with the 21” and 30” CC coils on the GPX. Also of particular interest was that the 30” CC coil was capable of a response on the tiny 0.5g Australian gold nugget buried at 6” depth and with the coil then raised above the ground a further 3” which is impressive for such a large coil on such a tiny target.  


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Saturday July 27 2019 08:24:09 AEST AM
  
Yes thanks and was interesting viewing as you do go about your testing regime in a very thorough manner including all of your other GPX test videos. And your latest in ground test using those Roman coins with the 21” and 30” CC coils on the GPX. Also of particular interest was that the 30” CC coil was capable of a response on the tiny 0.5g Australian gold nugget buried at 6” depth and with the coil then raised above the ground a further 3” which is impressive for such a large coil on such a tiny target.  

I also got electric interference test coming for both 21" and 30" coils and air test with 50 cent Australian near the 50kV power lines where I made the video.
The two coils are already in Australia. There will be new vids from there soon.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Eski on Monday July 29 2019 17:28:57 AEST PM
Don't bs Me, seriously you need to check your price. Carbon is not expensive even in small qty , i cant imagine the carbon would cost more then $100USD per coil. I by this stuff all the time , and kevlar in small qty.

Also , freight should not be ~$450 - Box them up and send 10 at a time and that should drop five fold at least. I got a an overflowing pallet of car fenders from the UK for $1600au. you can fit a lot of coils on a pallet....

In another forum you said this was the cause of the high price... please refer to your own name .

you might sell some coils around the 1K-1.6K mark. good luck anywhere higher. I believe a major will pickup the design and beat you to the punch.

At 4 K, YOu would have a coil/detector that goes deep but needs a really open area to operate... For the money investment as this coil,  potential buyers WOULD SELL THEIR GPX AND BUY A GPZ! THIS IS THE KEY POINT!

Also , please note this message is intended to express my opinion on the commercial reality of this coil as a detectorist and buyer of detector bits.This  is not an attack on the coil or it's developer. i sincerely wish you the best Dontbsme.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Monday July 29 2019 20:08:13 AEST PM
  
Don't bs Me, seriously you need to check your price. Carbon is not expensive even in small qty , i cant imagine the carbon would cost more then $100USD per coil. I by this stuff all the time , and kevlar in small qty.

Also , freight should not be ~$450 - Box them up and send 10 at a time and that should drop five fold at least. I got a an overflowing pallet of car fenders from the UK for $1600au. you can fit a lot of coils on a pallet....

In another forum you said this was the cause of the high price... please refer to your own name .

you might sell some coils around the 1K-1.6K mark. good luck anywhere higher. I believe a major will pickup the design and beat you to the punch.

At 4 K, YOu would have a coil/detector that goes deep but needs a really open area to operate... For the money investment as this coil,  potential buyers WOULD SELL THEIR GPX AND BUY A GPZ! THIS IS THE KEY POINT!

Also , please note this message is intended to express my opinion on the commercial reality of this coil as a detectorist and buyer of detector bits.This  is not an attack on the coil or it's developer. i sincerely wish you the best Dontbsme.

Make one, come forward and compare to my results and then demonstrate how things should run. Unless you do this there is nothing further to discuss.




Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: sd220d Digger on Monday July 29 2019 21:21:45 AEST PM
  
  
Don't bs Me, seriously you need to check your price. Carbon is not expensive even in small qty , i cant imagine the carbon would cost more then $100USD per coil. I by this stuff all the time , and kevlar in small qty.

Also , freight should not be ~$450 - Box them up and send 10 at a time and that should drop five fold at least. I got a an overflowing pallet of car fenders from the UK for $1600au. you can fit a lot of coils on a pallet....

In another forum you said this was the cause of the high price... please refer to your own name .

you might sell some coils around the 1K-1.6K mark. good luck anywhere higher. I believe a major will pickup the design and beat you to the punch.

At 4 K, YOu would have a coil/detector that goes deep but needs a really open area to operate... For the money investment as this coil,  potential buyers WOULD SELL THEIR GPX AND BUY A GPZ! THIS IS THE KEY POINT!

Also , please note this message is intended to express my opinion on the commercial reality of this coil as a detectorist and buyer of detector bits.This  is not an attack on the coil or it's developer. i sincerely wish you the best Dontbsme.

Make one, come forward and compare to my results and then demonstrate how things should run. Unless you do this there is nothing further to discuss.




This is why Detech will get all the sales
I'm sorry to tell you
At your cost
And  at HALF THE COST OF YOUR COILS

 


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Tuesday July 30 2019 02:19:06 AEST AM
  
  
  
Don't bs Me, seriously you need to check your price. Carbon is not expensive even in small qty , i cant imagine the carbon would cost more then $100USD per coil. I by this stuff all the time , and kevlar in small qty.

Also , freight should not be ~$450 - Box them up and send 10 at a time and that should drop five fold at least. I got a an overflowing pallet of car fenders from the UK for $1600au. you can fit a lot of coils on a pallet....

In another forum you said this was the cause of the high price... please refer to your own name .

you might sell some coils around the 1K-1.6K mark. good luck anywhere higher. I believe a major will pickup the design and beat you to the punch.

At 4 K, YOu would have a coil/detector that goes deep but needs a really open area to operate... For the money investment as this coil,  potential buyers WOULD SELL THEIR GPX AND BUY A GPZ! THIS IS THE KEY POINT!

Also , please note this message is intended to express my opinion on the commercial reality of this coil as a detectorist and buyer of detector bits.This  is not an attack on the coil or it's developer. i sincerely wish you the best Dontbsme.

Make one, come forward and compare to my results and then demonstrate how things should run. Unless you do this there is nothing further to discuss.




This is why Detech will get all the sales
I'm sorry to tell you
At your cost
And  at HALF THE COST OF YOUR COILS

 

Detech is cheap, Nexus is deep.
The gold is also deep.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Blip on Tuesday July 30 2019 08:17:45 AEST AM


 

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Detech is cheap, Nexus is deep.
The gold is also deep.
[/quote]

Detech reap the deep for cheap!


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Eski on Tuesday July 30 2019 11:00:12 AEST AM
Dontbsme All i was saying is the commercial reality. the comparison to gpz price wise is FACT.

The other commercial reality is this: when other manufacturers see the performance and price they will come to same conclusion... they can sell them at half the price of yours and still make good margins.

I run and have run businesses at profit for private equity, stock market listed and now my own business. I understand basic economics along with sales and commercial management /analysis. I have chosen my business to run, why would i setup to build coils. why would i waste my time.

As i said , my message was not an attack . you can continue trying to sell coils at these prices and maybe sell 15 a year. or drop the price , scale your manufacturing and sell hundreds at a reasonable price and margin. your call, good luck


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Blip on Tuesday July 30 2019 11:58:47 AEST AM
  
Dontbsme All i was saying is the commercial reality. the comparison to gpz price wise is FACT.

The other commercial reality is this: when other manufacturers see the performance and price they will come to same conclusion... they can sell them at half the price of yours and still make good margins.

I run and have run businesses at profit for private equity, stock market listed and now my own business. I understand basic economics along with sales and commercial management /analysis. I have chosen my business to run, why would i setup to build coils. why would i waste my time.

As i said , my message was not an attack . you can continue trying to sell coils at these prices and maybe sell 15 a year. or drop the price , scale your manufacturing and sell hundreds at a reasonable price and margin. your call, good luck


Well put Eski.

This has been my exact thinking with the likes of the X-coils which some have gotten their noses out of joint over, why i do not know.

From my understanding they start at around the $1,000 mark. We have a few choices of aftermarket coils and as an example there are coils in the 14/15” range for roughly $400. Is there anything physical about the X-coil that warrants to be priced two to three times the price of other aftermarket coils? From the reading they are portrayed as being superior to what else is available but to the point of such a large price difference?

I totally agree with your thinking of being priced right against units sold. That just makes good economic sense.

Once again, ill state that i for one i dont judge others for their purchases. There are purchases ive made with other hobbies some could question!


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Tuesday July 30 2019 16:40:36 AEST PM
  
Dontbsme All i was saying is the commercial reality. the comparison to gpz price wise is FACT.

The other commercial reality is this: when other manufacturers see the performance and price they will come to same conclusion... they can sell them at half the price of yours and still make good margins.

I run and have run businesses at profit for private equity, stock market listed and now my own business. I understand basic economics along with sales and commercial management /analysis. I have chosen my business to run, why would i setup to build coils. why would i waste my time.

As i said , my message was not an attack . you can continue trying to sell coils at these prices and maybe sell 15 a year. or drop the price , scale your manufacturing and sell hundreds at a reasonable price and margin. your call, good luck


Detech have been trying to undercut every other company's prices for 20 years now, but all those other companies are still in business and still in lead.
That's the commercial reality of cheap products - they are also low quality.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Reg Wilson on Tuesday July 30 2019 17:02:43 AEST PM
Dontbstme, Having tested the Dtech coil that you have called 'low quality', I can assure you and others that it is very well made, and you rubbishing a respected brand says something less than positive about yourself. You have been far from convincing about your coil, and elusive on pricing.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Eski on Tuesday July 30 2019 17:47:08 AEST PM
Hi Dontbsme, I was not referring to Detech. Whilst they are making a concentric coil they may not be the only players looking at this.

It makes sense for ALL companies that make coils to make these coils. and when they do , they will need to make sales . to do this they will price to what the market will accept.

perfect example is spiral coils. NF did the 12 inch in the advantage range, then coiltec then detech then NF released their range. guess what will happen with concentrics? i'll wait for the NF version.

If you don't accept this that is fine, i have nothing more to say.

I will pull you up on one thing though. Please explain why you think Detech are low quality with comparisons to coiltec , nf and minelab coils. This is the least you could do as a coil manufacturer.  your don't see the brands i have mentioned saying the others are low quality.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Tuesday July 30 2019 19:42:25 AEST PM
  


I will pull you up on one thing though. Please explain why you think Detech are low quality with comparisons to coiltec , nf and minelab coils. This is the least you could do as a coil manufacturer.  your don't see the brands i have mentioned saying the others are low quality.

I have tested Detech against NF and ML and they are not as good IMO. I also examined the construction of Detech against NFand NF designs are superior in every way.
Detech use a DD coil cable that is a poor quality copy of the Minelab DD cables and they use that same cable for their Mono coils as well. A dedicated Mono coil cable is something Detech do not use in any of their coils. That's another step down.

I am not rubbishing the Detech brand as stated by Reg Willson, this is within his expertise to rubbish people and products.

I am only stating the construction facts and the results from them.

When any product is cheap there is a very good reason for this and the mentioned above facts are self evident.

Detech are good products, but only to their price level and not comparable to NF, Coiltek and ML. From the 3 leading brands I like NF the most for their very original way of building coils.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Eski on Tuesday July 30 2019 19:49:52 AEST PM
Thanks Mate, FYI i agree about the cable. Also the NF evo coils shielding is a little different and again higher Quality - it looks silk screened....


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Tuesday July 30 2019 19:54:21 AEST PM
  
Dontbstme, Having tested the Dtech coil that you have called 'low quality', I can assure you and others that it is very well made, and you rubbishing a respected brand says something less than positive about yourself. You have been far from convincing about your coil, and elusive on pricing.

The price for 30"CC is 2495 Euros and for the 21"CC os 895 Euros shipping included. It is well stated on my web site if you bother to read.
I also have demonstrated with high accuracy what my coils and detectors can do and if they don't then folks can get their money back.
I am yet to see a single proper video test of any Detech product for 20 years now. If this is what you call convincing...............

I would like to see Detech or any other brand for that matter to communicate with this level of detail, rather than using manipulative and propaganda tacktics.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Tuesday July 30 2019 19:59:51 AEST PM
  
Thanks Mate, FYI i agree about the cable. Also the NF evo coils shielding is a little different and again higher Quality - it looks silk screened....

NF use the same screen as everyone else, a Graphite paint. What I like about their designs is the way they put the coils together. Really simple and effective. They also use this very flexible and yet very durable plastic in their coil designs, making it super resilient to harsh conditions. I am willing to bid that NF coils would be the least to fail from all other brands offering plastic based designs.
NF coils are also the lowest weight IMO from all plastic coils on the market.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Reg Wilson on Tuesday July 30 2019 21:02:59 AEST PM
Candigger, the exchange rate for the Euro to Aus dollar is currently 1.62, which means your 30" coil is AU$4608 plus freight while the smaller coil is AU$1450  plus freight. When I stated that your larger coil was more than twice the price of the Detech version, you denied it. Well, it is considerately more than twice the price.
You come poncing over here, treating us Aussies like mugs, calling me vulgar and threatening me with legal action, and think you can convince us to buy your product by using 'giggling' Matt, the 'radar' man to promote your over priced coil, and then rubbish the opposition product.
Well, guess what? No one buys your detectors here, and very few will likely buy your coils.
PS Get a haircut.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Tuesday July 30 2019 21:35:39 AEST PM
  
Candigger, the exchange rate for the Euro to Aus dollar is currently 1.62, which means your 30" coil is AU$4608 plus freight while the smaller coil is AU$1450  plus freight. When I stated that your larger coil was more than twice the price of the Detech version, you denied it. Well, it is considerately more than twice the price.
You come poncing over here, treating us Aussies like mugs, calling me vulgar and threatening me with legal action, and think you can convince us to buy your product by using 'giggling' Matt, the 'radar' man to promote your over priced coil, and then rubbish the opposition product.
Well, guess what? No one buys your detectors here, and very few will likely buy your coils.
PS Get a haircut.

On my web site is clearly stated that all Nexus products are delivered free of charge.

2495 Euros is 4041.90 Australian if your rate is correct. Also 1450 Australian for the 21"CC is the final price including everything. I deal with import/ export duties, the customer cares about nothing else other than paying the retail price.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: mylab on Tuesday July 30 2019 21:58:38 AEST PM
  

NF use the same screen as everyone else, a Graphite paint. What I like about their designs is the way they put the coils together. Really simple and effective. They also use this very flexible and yet very durable plastic in their coil designs, making it super resilient to harsh conditions. I am willing to bid that NF coils would be the least to fail from all other brands offering plastic based designs.
NF coils are also the lowest weight IMO from all plastic coils on the market.


I agree.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: WM6 on Tuesday July 30 2019 23:26:03 AEST PM
  

Having tested the Dtech coil that you have called 'low quality', I can assure you and others that it is very well made,


The same experience with Detech coils. Well made and I have no restrain to buy this brand again.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: mylab on Wednesday September 4 2019 01:47:04 AEST AM
Dontbstme have you any idea why Matt took down his test site YouTube video results between your 21" CC and 25"XDD as it appears you and him have had a fall out with one another?


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Doug on Wednesday September 4 2019 10:22:08 AEST AM
  
Dontbstme have you any idea why Matt took down his test site YouTube video results between your 21" CC and 25"XDD as it appears you and him have had a fall out with one another?

Using Matt destroyed any  integrity or credibility  for  Dontbstme,s coils!
doug ::419:: 


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: jrbeatty on Saturday September 7 2019 10:53:16 AEST AM
Meanwhile, the news on Detech's 18" CC gets even better. Although I'm yet to put much time in with it, I've found it to be an excellent lightweight multipurpose coil:

Quote from: Detech Australia
Great news after a many refinements in the manufacturing process, which has reduced manufacturing costs, Detech are pleased to pass the cost savings directly on to their customers.

With a greatly reduced retail customer price for the new 18” concentric coil, to suit Minelab SD GP GPX machines

This 18” coil will pleasantly surprise you with its weight of 950 grams (approx) with open Skid*

*A closed skid will also be available for this coil and fits very snug

The first lot of stock coils sold and these customers will all be given a refund to coincide with the new pricing

The coil will now sell for $540

Great opportunity for prospectors to experience the benefits of the concentric

Next shipment should be here next week


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: pedro on Saturday September 7 2019 16:48:13 AEST PM
  
Meanwhile, the news on Detech's 18" CC gets even better. Although I'm yet to put much time in with it, I've found it to be an excellent lightweight multipurpose coil:

Quote from: Detech Australia
Great news after a many refinements in the manufacturing process, which has reduced manufacturing costs, Detech are pleased to pass the cost savings directly on to their customers.

With a greatly reduced retail customer price for the new 18” concentric coil, to suit Minelab SD GP GPX machines

This 18” coil will pleasantly surprise you with its weight of 950 grams (approx) with open Skid*

*A closed skid will also be available for this coil and fits very snug

The first lot of stock coils sold and these customers will all be given a refund to coincide with the new pricing

The coil will now sell for $540

Great opportunity for prospectors to experience the benefits of the concentric

Next shipment should be here next week
That is great news. Thanks jr


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Sunday September 8 2019 06:12:10 AEST AM
  
Meanwhile, the news on Detech's 18" CC gets even better. Although I'm yet to put much time in with it, I've found it to be an excellent lightweight multipurpose coil:

Quote from: Detech Australia
Great news after a many refinements in the manufacturing process, which has reduced manufacturing costs, Detech are pleased to pass the cost savings directly on to their customers.

With a greatly reduced retail customer price for the new 18” concentric coil, to suit Minelab SD GP GPX machines

This 18” coil will pleasantly surprise you with its weight of 950 grams (approx) with open Skid*

*A closed skid will also be available for this coil and fits very snug

The first lot of stock coils sold and these customers will all be given a refund to coincide with the new pricing

The coil will now sell for $540

Great opportunity for prospectors to experience the benefits of the concentric

Next shipment should be here next week

........after a many refinements in the manufacturing process, which has reduced manufacturing costs.........

Seriously???

I believe the reason is my points on PA regarding the snug price of 850$ for a plastic coil, that is not even made by hand but by injection moulding process (1 dollar per coil shell is the price of plastic).

When you come on this thread(not related in any way to Detech), you shouldn't do it like a vulture, but instead be prepared to demonstrate on a video what is that you are selling. Some real well declared measurements.

I get it. Nexus coils are yet to show finding gold in Australia, just as Detech CC coils are yet to show that they are actually worth anything against the local Aussie competition of the 18"DD range.

At least Nexus coils have been demonstrated by me personally for what they are capable off and this is the Nexus stamp and guarantee for quality and performance.

The  Nexus 21"CC will also be manufactured from ABS plastic to make it affordable for everyone. The expected Nexus retail price will make it less than snug for the 18" Detech CC.
I suspect when this happens Detech Australia will come up with further news for refinements in the manufacturing process leading to even further price drop. The real reason however is that the export price for the 18"CC Detech is about 250$. You do the math.

It is peculiar how the very people that have accused me of my high prices (not having any idea why) and thereafter my price drop (again not having any idea why) are now selling the very same bullshit of price drop reasons they have accused me of.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Sunday September 8 2019 07:45:36 AEST AM
  
Dontbstme have you any idea why Matt took down his test site YouTube video results between your 21" CC and 25"XDD as it appears you and him have had a fall out with one another?
I asked Matt Kelava to remove or edit any slander content against other brands in his videos related to Nexus products. He answer was - My way or the high way.
I have dismissed him from any further Nexus presentation for good and had his last "proper" video tests taken down from the Internet.


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: jrbeatty on Sunday September 8 2019 09:12:15 AEST AM
Good to see that competition between manufacturers is finally providing detector operators with good value for the CC coils.

It would be even better if even more manufacturers got in on the act as well (Nuggetfinder, Coiltek etc)

I don't have a dog in this CC coil hunt and congratulate both Detech and Nexus for opening up new and exciting detecting possibilities

Personally I look forward to a comprehensive supervised head to head comparison tests of all the CC, DD and Mono coils run by people with long experience and credibility in the industry such as Reg, Nenad or JP, or, better still, all three!  ::419::


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Eski on Sunday September 8 2019 17:18:02 AEST PM
Hey Dontbstme, Totally agree on magically finding a way to reduce the price. a bunch of bull. Good move getting rid of Dave too.

Any thoughts on who you will connect with down here?


Title: Re: 21"CC for Minelab SD, GP and GPX
Post by: Dontbstme on Sunday September 8 2019 18:30:52 AEST PM
  
Hey Dontbstme, Totally agree on magically finding a way to reduce the price. a bunch of bull. Good move getting rid of Dave too.

Any thoughts on who you will connect with down here?
When I reduced the price of the carbon coils I actually sacrificed all potential dealers discounts and also left my self to do all of the work. So not paying to other people is how I got my price down. Other wise the Carbon parts remain bloody expensive and that's that. I will not even go into explaining the health implications of working with Carbon Fibre.

Now the ABS will balance the price trouble getting the retail figures far better. I expect between 2-3 times price drop for the 21"CC been made from ABS.

I already dispatched another 21"CC to a far more reliable tester, an Aussie this time, with a huge You Tube channel following, but will keep him out of site until he decides to go public with his videos or not.

Besides that I have Ben Henderson from Queensland for a representative. He will be doing his tests too with both 30" and 21"CC.