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« on: March 08, 2011, 03:01:04 AM »

(WO/2011/011820) IMPROVED METAL DETECTOR TARGET DISCRIMINATION IN MINERALIZED SOILS

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=AU2010000949&DISPLAY=STATUS

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/images1/PCT-PAGES/2011/052011/11011820/11011820.pdf

After looking brief into the document, it seems, that ML/Candy did not find the World's Best Discrimination and Ground Balancing System yet.  ::53::

Looks like an improvement over their existing technology.
Let's see, how the next model performs. 
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2011, 03:54:06 AM »


Looks like an improvement over their existing technology.
Let's see, how the next model performs. 
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Still not something like infrigment - we use mono coils.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2011, 11:06:21 AM »

Here is the link to download the patent
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/images4/PCT-PAGES/2011/052011/11011820/11011820.pdf
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2011, 08:32:52 AM »

Hi Doug,

Quite some time ago, around 2007 I made reference to the following patent and also posted a pic of Fig 8 on page 4.
The potential to use the shape of the various curves for discrimination and GB was discussed.  From memory, I believe I referred to it as the S1-S2+S3 method and it used S&H circuits.


http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6326790.html


A letter to the Ott's to let them know about 11011820 would be prudent.

I hope Tinkerer, Aziz and others now get the message about not posting ideas in forums.

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2011, 09:12:31 AM »

If anyone doubts that Robby_H keeps a dosier, his following quote should dispel that illusion.


"Bugs once said he felt sorry for me for not realising the QED had the three primary samples out of the way within 15usecs...."

http://finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5813&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=qed+patent&start=0

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2011, 09:35:14 AM »

I am just waiting for someone, who tries to patent some of my so called "ideas".
I have posted many bull$hity ideas rather than any worthwhile.

Confusion and "noise" is a kind of protecting real innovation. The real findings weren't published yet. Maybe some confusion isn't a real noise. But who knows this?

My biggest and most worthwhile innovation is still kept secret. I am quite confident, that nobody can find it.

That's the reason, why I can ::81:: restful.
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PS: I am always saving my posts published on forums. Even this one.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2011, 09:45:39 AM »

BTW,

the above Minelab's patent is still detecting hot rocks and ground noise.
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2011, 10:05:08 AM »

BTW,

the above Minelab's patent is still detecting hot rocks and ground noise.
 
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 I suspect that it also won't work with rusted iron!The patent is an exercise in verbosity, just try reading it!
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2011, 10:10:46 AM »

I suspect that it also won't work with rusted iron!The patent is an exercise in verbosity, just try reading it!
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No thanks,

I have seen the relevant parts. It won't work as well as my solution.
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2011, 10:32:29 AM »

Like the previous woeful patent on this same topic this "new" patent to me is neither inventive or novel and appears to be to be mostly prior art just like the previous version!
If all the claims in this patent were taken literally then it could be argued that ML have patented  almost any means of GB/discrimination by taking and processing of samples from a decay curve!
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 10:34:44 AM »


I have seen the relevant parts. It won't work as well as my solution.
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Hi Aziz,

gold will not wait on your solution.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 11:02:48 AM »

Like the previous woeful patent on this same topic this "new" patent to me is neither inventive or novel and appears to be to be mostly prior art just like the previous version!
If all the claims in this patent were taken literally then it could be argued that ML have patented  almost any means of GB/discrimination by taking and processing of samples from a decay curve!
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I agree with Aziz: This patent will not solve any of the old problems.  And speaking of processing, the amount of processing power required to implement this scheme will make it impractical--this will never end up in a physical device.

Just my opinion...

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 11:17:59 AM »

Hi Members,

The GIANT is desperately fighting and using any means to stay on top of the pack.   FURIOUS
Who cares about all the peasants?  " LOOKOUT"  Devil


The steam roller is in action.  GRR


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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 11:34:41 AM »

Like the previous woeful patent on this same topic this "new" patent to me is neither inventive or novel and appears to be to be mostly prior art just like the previous version!
If all the claims in this patent were taken literally then it could be argued that ML have patented  almost any means of GB/discrimination by taking and processing of samples from a decay curve!
doug

I agree with Aziz: This patent will not solve any of the old problems.  And speaking of processing, the amount of processing power required to implement this scheme will make it impractical--this will never end up in a physical device.

Just my opinion...

Allan

Maybe this is for the gpx10,000=$10,000? 
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 11:55:33 AM »

Like the previous woeful patent on this same topic this "new" patent to me is neither inventive or novel and appears to be to be mostly prior art just like the previous version!
If all the claims in this patent were taken literally then it could be argued that ML have patented  almost any means of GB/discrimination by taking and processing of samples from a decay curve!
doug

I agree with Aziz: This patent will not solve any of the old problems.  And speaking of processing, the amount of processing power required to implement this scheme will make it impractical--this will never end up in a physical device.

Just my opinion...

Allan

In my opinion first person that manages to achieve reliable discrimination to full depth in highly minerlized soils  will sell a lot of detectors. Trash areas are perhaps one of last  areas in our goldfields that have not had the  same attention as the "easier" trash free areas.
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2011, 01:49:07 PM »

I suspect that it also won't work with rusted iron!The patent is an exercise in verbosity, just try reading it!
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No thanks,

I have seen the relevant parts. It won't work as well as my solution.
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Aziz are you claiming that your Gb method will universally cancel the ground?
ie when you have ground balanced that it will not respond to any hot rocks or patches of ground that have different EM properties?
ie that any signal will only be from a bona fida conductive target?
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2011, 02:07:12 PM »

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The GIANT is desperately fighting and using any means to stay on top of the pack.   FURIOUS
Who cares about all the peasants?  " LOOKOUT"  Devil


The steam roller is in action.  GRR


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You are 100% right!  And what is the steam roller powered by?  VAPOR DETECTORS of course!

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2011, 03:22:32 PM »

Aziz are you claiming that your Gb method will universally cancel the ground?
ie when you have ground balanced that it will not respond to any hot rocks or patches of ground that have different EM properties?
ie that any signal will only be from a bona fida conductive target?
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I don't know yet. I didn't test it with all kind of ground conditions.
I need to collect many field test data to analyse it.

Yes, one can make it to work in extreme changing ground conditions.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2011, 03:55:12 PM »

Hi Members,

The GIANT is desperately fighting and using any means to stay on top of the pack.   FURIOUS
Who cares about all the peasants?  " LOOKOUT" 

The steam roller is in action.  GRR

Alluvium

Don't get me started!    FURIOUS 

Suppression of competition using patents & threats is unconscionable.

Desperate times  lead to desperate measures to stay on top with help of supporters (probably Codan shareholders)

Grrrrrrrrr !!
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2011, 03:55:56 PM »

I don't know yet. I didn't test it with all kind of ground conditions.
I need to collect many field test data to analyse it.
Aziz

How are you going to do this?
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