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« Reply #20 on: Friday March 16 2018 16:16:04 AEDT PM »

 In my opinion when someone from a detector company runs a forum like  Geotech then you must expect that your ideas may be taken up by  a company and even patented!!!
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« Reply #21 on: Friday March 16 2018 16:29:59 AEDT PM »

Hi Doug,

Yeah, I'm not that concerned about it really and yes, I'm sure others would be into it, they call it research, if an individual does it, its called copying happy face

I just have a little chuckle to myself.

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« Reply #22 on: Friday March 16 2018 16:45:27 AEDT PM »

  
In my opinion when someone from a detector company runs a forum like  Geotech then you must expect that your ideas may be taken up by  a company and even patented!!!
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That is true from a business point of view, personally, I think its just sloppy, lazy and rude. happy face

I'm just happy to go about enjoying the hobby and keep sharing but thought it was interesting

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« Reply #23 on: Friday March 16 2018 20:22:42 AEDT PM »

Hmmmm looking at the dates, post #14,   08/01/2005

date of patent granted Dec 08 2015,   wasn't exactly filed the next day
and they list a ton of prior patents etc.
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« Reply #24 on: Saturday March 17 2018 00:27:31 AEDT AM »

  
Hmmmm looking at the dates, post #14,   08/01/2005

date of patent granted Dec 08 2015,   wasn't exactly filed the next day
and they list a ton of prior patents etc.

I just spent 20 minutes typing a reply and $$$$/:; log in timed out so I'm not about to redo it tonight.
My short answer is they claimed priority in June 2010 and may or may not have been working on it for 5 years. That brings it a whole lot closer in time. In any case, I was already doing it.

I'm happy with what I stated cause I know when I started on the project. happy face

Also, I don't have a problem with Geotech, the patent or Carl, I just found it interesting, like I said.

I could go on but it really wasn't the point of my original post. happy face

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday March 17 2018 10:49:32 AEDT AM »

  
  
Hmmmm looking at the dates, post #14,   08/01/2005

date of patent granted Dec 08 2015,   wasn't exactly filed the next day
and they list a ton of prior patents etc.

I just spent 20 minutes typing a reply and $$$$/:; log in timed out so I'm not about to redo it tonight.
My short answer is they claimed priority in June 2010 and may or may not have been working on it for 5 years. That brings it a whole lot closer in time. In any case, I was already doing it.

I'm happy with what I stated cause I know when I started on the project. happy face

Also, I don't have a problem with Geotech, the patent or Carl, I just found it interesting, like I said.

I could go on but it really wasn't the point of my original post. happy face

Cheers

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« Reply #26 on: Saturday March 17 2018 13:38:45 AEDT PM »

  
  
Hmmmm looking at the dates, post #14,   08/01/2005

date of patent granted Dec 08 2015,   wasn't exactly filed the next day
and they list a ton of prior patents etc.

I just spent 20 minutes typing a reply and $$$$/:; log in timed out so I'm not about to redo it tonight.
My short answer is they claimed priority in June 2010 and may or may not have been working on it for 5 years. That brings it a whole lot closer in time. In any case, I was already doing it.

I'm happy with what I stated cause I know when I started on the project. happy face

Also, I don't have a problem with Geotech, the patent or Carl, I just found it interesting, like I said.

I could go on but it really wasn't the point of my original post. happy face

Cheers

Muntari

I wasnt having a go at you, the question posted was make up our own minds, and I was just pointing out the time lag, You must of had an interesting project all those years ago, pity you chucked it all in the bin, thats Murphy's law, chuck something out and the very next week you want it. I hope people continue to experiment and show their work as its hard to think of something new. I wonder how technically accurate patents are supposed to be.
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« Reply #27 on: Saturday March 17 2018 19:39:04 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
Hmmmm looking at the dates, post #14,   08/01/2005

date of patent granted Dec 08 2015,   wasn't exactly filed the next day
and they list a ton of prior patents etc.

I just spent 20 minutes typing a reply and $$$$/:; log in timed out so I'm not about to redo it tonight.
My short answer is they claimed priority in June 2010 and may or may not have been working on it for 5 years. That brings it a whole lot closer in time. In any case, I was already doing it.

I'm happy with what I stated cause I know when I started on the project. happy face

Also, I don't have a problem with Geotech, the patent or Carl, I just found it interesting, like I said.

I could go on but it really wasn't the point of my original post. happy face

Cheers

Muntari

I wasnt having a go at you, the question posted was make up our own minds, and I was just pointing out the time lag, You must of had an interesting project all those years ago, pity you chucked it all in the bin, thats Murphy's law, chuck something out and the very next week you want it. I hope people continue to experiment and show their work as its hard to think of something new. I wonder how technically accurate patents are supposed to be.

Hi 6666,

Yeah I know you weren't having a crack at me, I probably could have phrased things a bit better too apologies if i came across a bit miffed, I wasn't I spent 20 min posting last night only to be timed out and logged out without being able to recover the text. Then I just decided to reply very briefly.

Pâtents  are meant to be descriptive enough for someone skilled in the art to be able to replicate or test the patent themselves but these days I think it's mostly smoke and mirrors.
The big guys always try to portray individuals as incapable of inventing anything, it hurts their bottom line. The patent examiners must be overworked and perhaps show a bit of disdain for the little guy, I'm not sure. The pâtents cited in this particular patent , if you read through them, are very very vaguely related and in fact only 2 of them are metal detector related as far as I could find and one is from Whites and it didn't even mention motion sensing. I mean, Sony using acceromters in phones too is hardly related to metal detectors, it's that sort of refrain that urks me.
i was involved with designing GPS tractor autosteer Systems around 1998 and we used MEMs devices for dead reckoning and tilt pitch and yaw corrections. it was world first technology,done right here in little old Oz and now is standard fitted by just about every major tractor OEM worldwide and yes there are a few pâtents on this by a number of people. It was very exciting work and I immediately realised how they could be used in PI detectors and set to work on it.
No where in Whites patent is there reference to such use, so you have to wonder how Thorough the patenting system really is. Of course an applicant can't possibly know about all priory but I would have thought that in this day and age with massive databases and search engines, the patent offices should come close.

The other thing I note is like pâtents that are granted for the use of ferrites for shielding, pâtents for the use of acceromters both written in such a way as to try and prevent anyone using either method just about anything related to use in coils ...and yet both are seemingly  only used for 1) shielding a solder joint or circuit board 2) used as a tilt switch to turn the detector on or off...Then you could pose a number of questions about cross liscencing, do they exist in the Metal detector world? Probably.

Now if you take it further, how is an accelerometer + PCB going to be used inside a coil without being shielded, wouldn't that require a ferrite shield...but its patented... Yes fir the purists there are ways but according to the ferrite use in coils patent, there are problems, hence the need for the ferrite.
It's a game of cat and mouse, really not in the spirit of the original patent system, it's all about the $$$


Ok I'm down off my soap box now...

Anyways, yes I agree, it's much better to experiment and share in this hobby but like I said, I think it pays to be on guard as recent history has shown.
It's why theses days, I prefer to share related tool, methods and material ideas rather than any circuits and I'm not interested in doing anything commercial
As a group, I think the best thing we can do is to share tools and methods to enable as many members as possible to experiment should they so desire.


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« Reply #28 on: Saturday March 17 2018 21:08:03 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
Hmmmm looking at the dates, post #14,   08/01/2005

date of patent granted Dec 08 2015,   wasn't exactly filed the next day
and they list a ton of prior patents etc.

I just spent 20 minutes typing a reply and $$$$/:; log in timed out so I'm not about to redo it tonight.
My short answer is they claimed priority in June 2010 and may or may not have been working on it for 5 years. That brings it a whole lot closer in time. In any case, I was already doing it.

I'm happy with what I stated cause I know when I started on the project. happy face

Also, I don't have a problem with Geotech, the patent or Carl, I just found it interesting, like I said.

I could go on but it really wasn't the point of my original post. happy face

Cheers

Muntari

A tip! happy face When typing a long reply i usually type it out in a word type document and then copy and past into  my forum post.This avoids time out problems.
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Hi Doug,

Yes generally I'm on my laptop but was on IPad last night

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« Reply #29 on: Friday March 23 2018 00:16:36 AEDT AM »

Hi All,

So after receiving some good information,

I can say with a very high degree of confidence, White's and Carl did not copy any of my ideas of using accelerometers in PI coils.

I didn't really think they had to be honest  and like I said at the top of the post, I did find it (the patent) interesting as it took me by surprise to actually see a patent on it.

I can see, looking back at my posts where it is possible to draw the wrong conclusion.

My opinion of not sharing anything on forums that you might want to use commercially or even patent has still not changed however  happy face

Thought I should set the record straight.

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Muntari

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