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« on: Friday March 15 2019 09:02:49 AEDT AM »

So it seems that even the aftermarket Z coils from somewhere overseas are expensive at $1200 each and you have to make your own patch lead. They are now available for purchase; I just wonder how long before some legal action occurs.
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« Reply #1 on: Friday March 15 2019 09:52:02 AEDT AM »

  
So it seems that even the aftermarket Z coils from somewhere overseas are expensive at $1200 each and you have to make your own patch lead. They are now available for purchase; I just wonder how long before some legal action occurs.
Cheers Goldman
"I just wonder how long before some legal action occurs."
Not long i suspect!!!!
I hope those involved have deep pockets!!
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« Reply #2 on: Friday March 15 2019 10:04:42 AEDT AM »

  
So it seems that even the aftermarket Z coils from somewhere overseas are expensive at $1200 each and you have to make your own patch lead. They are now available for purchase; I just wonder how long before some legal action occurs.
Cheers Goldman
The  coils will only work  with the  patch lead which contains ML's protected  IP (IC containing code which is automatically copyright protected). The coils will only work by hijacking ML's  protected  IP!!! ML put a  IC in the coil leads for a good reason one being i believe to prevent anyone using non ML coils!
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« Reply #3 on: Friday March 15 2019 10:23:17 AEDT AM »

I further wonder whether say coiltek or NF will introduce a range of legal coils (under license from ML) to counter the potential ‘flood’ of sales to an overseas manufacturer.

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« Reply #4 on: Friday March 15 2019 10:47:07 AEDT AM »

  
I further wonder whether say coiltek or NF will introduce a range of legal coils (under license from ML) to counter the potential ‘flood’ of sales to an overseas manufacturer.

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The new GPZ coils coils from  Russia could  become legal if the manufacturer obtained a license from ML or agreed to pay ML royalties on each sale.
The key point is that another manufacturer is using ML protected IP for their own(and agents?) pecuniary benefit.ML will do whatever it takes to protect their own IP and to prevent others hijacking or subverting it for their own commercial use. Its worth noting that anyone that uses ML protected IP for their own  purposes could be deemed to be infringing.
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« Reply #5 on: Friday March 15 2019 16:14:36 AEDT PM »

“We are not changing or modifying or copying any of Minelabs IP and if a person has a coil and wants to cut the coil plug off and reattach another---”
  
The promoter  of these coils still does not get it!!!! After market coils for other ML detectors do not require or use  a coil encoded IC chip. As long as the coils have the correct impedance and  inductance and Q value they will happily work. All the timing's and the signal processing is done with internal MC's with copyright and patented IP. With the Z things are very different. The  coil lead Z IC  as has been mentioned on the forum contains code which cannot be cracked,accessed or altered  or downloaded in any way. ML do not want the code to ever available to any other party or for any other party to  use it for commercial purposes. Yes the new coils do not copy or  modify the protected ML IP but  use this IP for the commercial benefit of another party without the consent of ML.Its the commercial aspect that  is potentially illegal. Ask your self why ML put an IC in the Z coil lead or why NF or Coiltek have  not produced  after market  coils for the Z.
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday March 17 2019 04:46:02 AEDT AM »

  
Ask your self why ML put an IC in the Z coil lead or why NF or Coiltek have  not produced  after market  coils for the Z.
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Obviously to prevent anyone from manufacturing alternative coils for the Zed, BUT if I am a Zed user and I want nice big coil for it and ML tells me nada I'll get rid of it and go for any other detector that can give me what I want or allow me to use with it what I want.
I find it preposterous to get charged 10000 dollars and have no choice of what coils I can use later. Once a products is sold to a customer it becomes his/hers property with their full right to do what ever they want with it.
Limiting the after market coil use on the Zed is an infringement on the consumer rights.

The man who designed the old Arado detectors in the UK, Spencer, he use to sell big IB detectors ( about 1.3 x 1.3 m coils) for 20000 GBP over 20 years ago. He installed a timer in the detectors which after 500 working hours would disable the detector and the customers had to send it back for a retune procedure that costed 5000 GBP.
I find it difficult to make a difference between the Spencer/Arado case and the Zed no choice for after market coils story.



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« Reply #7 on: Sunday March 17 2019 10:46:34 AEDT AM »

  
  
Ask your self why ML put an IC in the Z coil lead or why NF or Coiltek have  not produced  after market  coils for the Z.
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Obviously to prevent anyone from manufacturing alternative coils for the Zed, BUT if I am a Zed user and I want nice big coil for it and ML tells me nada I'll get rid of it and go for any other detector that can give me what I want or allow me to use with it what I want.
I find it preposterous to get charged 10000 dollars and have no choice of what coils I can use later. Once a products is sold to a customer it becomes his/hers property with their full right to do what ever they want with it.
Limiting the after market coil use on the Zed is an infringement on the consumer rights.

The man who designed the old Arado detectors in the UK, Spencer, he use to sell big IB detectors ( about 1.3 x 1.3 m coils) for 20000 GBP over 20 years ago. He installed a timer in the detectors which after 500 working hours would disable the detector and the customers had to send it back for a retune procedure that costed 5000 GBP.
I find it difficult to make a difference between the Spencer/Arado case and the Zed no choice for after market coils story.





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