Another dumb idea!

[Doug]

Re: Coiltek or Nuggetfinder coils in high mineralized ground
Narrawa Today at 4:22 pm
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t8020-coiltek-or-nuggetfinder-coils-in-high-mineralized-ground
“-------why not have the manufacturer display one cut in half to reveal how each brand is potted/constructed.?”
Why would any coil manufacturer agree to this crazy suggestion and thus reveal potentailly commercially sensitive information! eg the shielding material  used and the method used etc.
If the dumbo that posted this wants this info then he should cut his own coils in half and post the pictures on the “free”forum !!! 
doug

[Huego]

True, but it is the sort of thing some compeitors can or may do though, behind the scenes.

(Pull apart their comepitors coils, see what materials they use, see how they are shielded, physically stabilised against bumps etc. to see what they can learn and improve on.)

Some confident makers (if they are bold enough) may one day show a comparison / CROSS-SECTION between "THEIR COILS" and "OUR COILS" ie "notice the better this and that??? .".

Direct comparison and put-downs of the opposition happens in very aggressive & competitive situations.
Vehicle manufacturers are doing it, and make one-upnmanship claims with their products.

Huego

[lbg dreamer]

Re: Coiltek or Nuggetfinder coils in high mineralized ground
Narrawa Today at 4:22 pm
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t8020-coiltek-or-nuggetfinder-coils-in-high-mineralized-ground
“-------why not have the manufacturer display one cut in half to reveal how each brand is potted/constructed.?”
Why would any coil manufacturer agree to this crazy suggestion and thus reveal potentailly commercially sensitive information! eg the shielding material  used and the method used etc.
If the dumbo that posted this wants this info then he should cut his own coils in half and post the pictures on the “free”forum !!! 
doug                      minelab used to supply cut coils to show how they are made , maybe you should get out more and  enjoy some time out in the fields in the fresh air with a detector in your hand , instead of making accusations that you cannot even back up , I really can't understand why you always have to question what you don't understand or can't prove as the norm . If you are a competant detectorist why would you spend all your time paying out on others in front of a computer with a mouse in one hand and you know what in the other , get inventive and create your own topics   :

[Doug]

Re: Coiltek or Nuggetfinder coils in high mineralized ground
Narrawa Today at 4:22 pm
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t8020-coiltek-or-nuggetfinder-coils-in-high-mineralized-ground
“-------why not have the manufacturer display one cut in half to reveal how each brand is potted/constructed.?”
Why would any coil manufacturer agree to this crazy suggestion and thus reveal potentailly commercially sensitive information! eg the shielding material  used and the method used etc.
If the dumbo that posted this wants this info then he should cut his own coils in half and post the pictures on the “free”forum !!! 
doug                      minelab used to supply cut coils to show how they are made , maybe you should get out more and  enjoy some time out in the fields in the fresh air with a detector in your hand , instead of making accusations that you cannot even back up , I really can't understand why you always have to question what you don't understand or can't prove as the norm . If you are a competant detectorist why would you spend all your time paying out on others in front of a computer with a mouse in one hand and you know what in the other , get inventive and create your own topics   :

I will continue to comment on any matters on other forums as I see fit  in the best interests of consumers.I will also continue point out dumb posts from people that should know better or outrageous depth claims like yours and sawmills!
doug

[lbg dreamer]

I had 2 witnesses watch me dig that Target , but wouldn't get them to verifie as I don't need to prove myself to anyone .  So really that has backfired on yourself ,    I really hope your not Doug stone mate, as I thought he was a bit of a ledgend .    but ill agree it is your right to comment on what you want to ,but all these people you pick on are people just like. Yourself. No person is better than the next 

[Doug]

I had 2 witnesses watch me dig that Target , but wouldn't get them to verifie as I don't need to prove myself to anyone .  So really that has backfired on yourself ,    I really hope your not Doug stone mate, as I thought he was a bit of a ledgend .    but ill agree it is your right to comment on what you want to ,but all these people you pick on are people just like. Yourself. No person is better than the next 

You need to learn to pinpoint! (or learn to differentiate between ground noise and a conductive  target!)Your depth claim is just totally ridiculous and is against all the years and years of testing  that has been done here by very experienced ML users on this forum with every ML PI detector and dozens of assorted size nuggets at multiple test sites and on the bench!You also forget all the testing that has been done by BW and others with the QED! If you believe that you can  detect this nugget or a similar one at this depth then prove it by showing us a video  by gb'ing the detector over similar ground (using the same coil and timings etc) and then do a simple air test to prove it!!! Until then I find your claim totally laughable as does any other experienced user!
doug

[Doug]

This forum is not  just another pro ML suck forum  where silly depth claims like yours will go unchallenged!Outrageous depth claims (and others!) by people using ML detectors will be challenged here otherwise they create unrealistic expectations by newbies and perpetrate the ML myths!
Consumers have the right to  know and be informed of the real facts  by a truly independent forum  rather than what I allege is just more spin by another pro ML marketing and promotion forum where to question this ML spin and "wisdom" and mythology leads to you being banned!
doug

[lbg dreamer]

I noticed my last reply to you wasn't posted wonder why that is ? Cause you wouldn't have the answers !

[Huego]

If you (Doug)  are a competant detectorist why would you spend all your time paying out on others in front of a computer with a mouse in one hand and you know what in the other , get inventive and create your own topics  

Dreamer,

I think one can safely say very few members (a small %) post on this a small independent interest group. Why that is baffles me. Maybe they are too smart- plenty of readers though! Many posts don’t require substantiation, unless they are foolish (made without thought that there are those with some skills who may read what you say).  Those that do post, try and keep it interesting.

So with a small number posting, information comes from elsewhere, eg with links or quotes from elsewhere. It happens on others forums. Sometimes that info is BS or impractical etc. BUT, that’s what the internet is for ….. free access & covers the good with the bad. Information (good & bad) is shared.

Some forums avoid postings from here, but we don’t!  Forums are not private clubs otherwise they would not be accessible. Why not post over there? Well there are good reasons for that too!  Posts on diverse topics are needed here.

Huego

[Doug]

I noticed my last reply to you wasn't posted wonder why that is ? Cause you wouldn't have the answers !

I did not delete or stop you posting!!! As members here will tell you its a very ,very rare event for me to delete any posts! Most that have been deleted are mine mostly due to double posting!! You are the one that does not have the answers to prove your outrageous depth claims. Lets see you post a video to prove them!
doug

[Huego]

I had 2 witnesses watch me dig that Target , but wouldn't get them to verifie as I don't need to prove myself to anyone .  So really that has backfired on yourself ,   I really hope your not Doug stone mate, as I thought he was a bit of a ledgend .     but ill agree it is your right to comment on what you want to ,but all these people you pick on are people just like. Yourself. No person is better than the next  

Dreamer,

YOU said you were "not real good at maths" ...........  I'd say that was pretty right!

As for witnesses, no-one disputed they watched you DIG that target!
And No, you don't have to prove yourself BUT that does not help YOU if you make claims which to most seem UNBELIEVABLE does it?
So, this has backfired on you, because it still remains a MYTH until you show otherwise. Why don't you prove yourself right & Doug wrong. Easy as!
Hey, imagine the kudos and adulation you would get from sawmill & flounders showing you were right! You might even get an apology!  

Doug explained his motives in challenging you (picking on what you claimed). Can you understand, it was not personal?
Unfortunately, in the real world although we may be born equal we grow unequally! - some end up better at maths, words or prospecting & others are dreamers! There's room for all!

Cheers  

[lbg dreamer]

Hi just wanted to ask Doug if he has found gold with the qed detector , also I swing a whites gmt aswell so I'm not a minelab sales pitch person .

[Doug]

Hi just wanted to ask Doug if he has found gold with the qed detector , also I swing a whites gmt aswell so I'm not a minelab sales pitch person .

YES!! I was the first one to find gold with the QED! (.230 gram fly speck!)Below is the picture i took of the 2 QED's (resting against the back of my car) that were being tested where i found the tiny nugget. The one with the white coil was the one that found the fly speck nugget.
doug
Ps have you made the video  yet to show us how a ML can detect a 1 gram nugget a 2 feet?

[WM6]

Hi just wanted to ask Doug if he has found gold with the qed detector , also I swing a whites gmt aswell so I'm not a minelab sales pitch person .

Hi lbg dreamer.

There is not so rare case that detected target is siting on one side of hole you dig constantly detect and after a while target is falling to bottom of the hole, from where you dig it.

In such cases target is in real sitting say at 7" and then drop down to 25" hole.

Maybe this happen in your case, without you noted what happen.

2 feet or more for 1 gram nuggets is impossible achievement for known detectors, even in air tests.

[sd2200d digger]

Yeah,
I think WM6 is right what he said above or is lbg dreamer an inexperienced detector operator and will not admit to it ???

[lbg dreamer]

Hi just wanted to ask Doug if he has found gold with the qed detector , also I swing a whites gmt aswell so I'm not a minelab sales pitch person .

YES!! I was the first one to find gold with the QED! (.230 gram fly speck!)Below is the picture i took of the 2 QED's (resting against the back of my car) that were being tested where i found the tiny nugget. The one with the white coil was the one that found the fly speck nugget.
doug
Ps have you made the video  yet to show us how a ML can detect a 1 gram nugget a 2 feet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         nice picture doug , do you have a video of you being the first to find gold with the Qed and of you digging the gold ?

[Doug]

Hi just wanted to ask Doug if he has found gold with the qed detector , also I swing a whites gmt aswell so I'm not a minelab sales pitch person .

YES!! I was the first one to find gold with the QED! (.230 gram fly speck!)Below is the picture i took of the 2 QED's (resting against the back of my car) that were being tested where i found the tiny nugget. The one with the white coil was the one that found the fly speck nugget.
doug
Ps have you made the video  yet to show us how a ML can detect a 1 gram nugget a 2 feet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nice picture doug , do you have a video of you being the first to find gold with the Qed and of you digging the gold ?

No!But you can easily do a video to show us how a ML detector can detect a 1 gram nugget at 2 feet! Look forward to seeing it!
doug

[bugwhiskers]

Doug detected it and I dug it.
It was found at 12:00 midday on the 10th day of the 10th month 2010.
Do you want a Statutory Declaration or will my word do?
If you don't still have your nugget perhaps you could get another one of similar size and show us in a video how you detect it at the claimed distance.

[lbg dreamer]

Hi just wanted to ask Doug if he has found gold with the qed detector , also I swing a whites gmt aswell so I'm not a minelab sales pitch person .

YES!! I was the first one to find gold with the QED! (.230 gram fly speck!)Below is the picture i took of the 2 QED's (resting against the back of my car) that were being tested where i found the tiny nugget. The one with the white coil was the one that found the fly speck nugget.
doug
Ps have you made the video  yet to show us how a ML can detect a 1 gram nugget a 2 feet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nice picture doug , do you have a video of you being the first to find gold with the Qed and of you digging the gold ?

No!But you can easily do a video to show us how a ML detector can detect a 1 gram nugget at 2 feet! Look forward to seeing it!
doug

                                                             thanks doug thats all i needed            sorry wiskers its obvious that people need video evidence when they come across something they cant prove or understand. and asking for a air test doesnt make sense ill start from the target once its doug were is the halo effect yous can work out the rest right through to the speaker

[Doug]

Hi just wanted to ask Doug if he has found gold with the qed detector , also I swing a whites gmt aswell so I'm not a minelab sales pitch person .

YES!! I was the first one to find gold with the QED! (.230 gram fly speck!)Below is the picture i took of the 2 QED's (resting against the back of my car) that were being tested where i found the tiny nugget. The one with the white coil was the one that found the fly speck nugget.
doug
Ps have you made the video  yet to show us how a ML can detect a 1 gram nugget a 2 feet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nice picture doug , do you have a video of you being the first to find gold with the Qed and of you digging the gold ?

No!But you can easily do a video to show us how a ML detector can detect a 1 gram nugget at 2 feet! Look forward to seeing it!
doug

                                                            thanks doug thats all i needed            sorry wiskers its obvious that people need video evidence when they come across something they cant prove or understand. and asking for a air test doesnt make sense ill start from the target once its doug were is the halo effect yous can work out the rest right through to the speaker

Where is your evidence of a halo effect? You are just talking nonsense and making yourself look like a !  WM6's explanation is probably the correct one!We have all dug past a nugget and then when the hole is widened the nugget falls to the bottom of the hole! No shame in admitting this is what happened in your case!But persisting with a fantasy or dreamers claim that  everybody who knows anything about  what is possible and what is not possible with current Pi detectors just reduces you to a laughing stock!
Ask yourself why nobody here believes you!
doug