How much a ML beating metal detector should cost?

[sawmill]

 Aziz
 
 Are you talking about 20% more depth than what the
5000 is claimed to get,or what they actually get on hot
ground?
 I already have one that gets 20% better depth than the
ML's got ,and in places 100% better. I damn sure didn't pay
even close to half of what a 5000 costs.

 Also I would not pay as much as a 5000 cost,for any hobby
detector period. The money would be better spent for diesel
and a permit,to actually start mining .

[Alluvium]

Hi Huego,

thanks for saying what others thinking of only.

Remember: This is a fictitious price finding game only.

The production costs will be very low. Well, the chinese gets only max. $10 per day for their hard work (thanks for globalisation and exploiting cheap human capital resources). Hence, the profit margin is huge, damn huge. My fictitious partners and investors are very very greedy and they want to have a huge profit return. They also have advised me to restrict the depth advantage to only max. 5% (fk'n ba$tard marketing people). Every 18 month, a new and improved version is intended (more bells & whistles, 5% more depth, 5% lower noise).

Let's assume, the fictitious new detector is ergononic, smart and easy to use.

Now the interesting question again:
What should the new fictitious detector cost?
It's still beating the best metal detector in the world (5% depth advantage now).


Remember, this is a game only. Has no consequences.
Aziz

Hi Aziz,

Your little mind game would not have anything to do with our old mate Woody eh!???
He has been boasting to others he is about to go into production making a new detector very soon. 

His rich mate is looking at a factory to buy, (in a country town in Central Vic. I'm told).
Like I said to this prospector who told me of Woody's big move.

"Tell him he's dreaming"!!!  Haa,Haa, Haa. 

Cheers Alluvium.

[turtleman]

Let's also consider that not all are in gold country, so the detector must also be capable of
being used as a relic coin machine. Now you would have to compare it to the Whites TDi, which
for my application is better than the Minelab detectors. I can by a Tdi foe under 2000.00. so
if your detector had more depth and a more functional disc capability I think it would be worth
2500.00
I have just opened up a much larger market for you and your greedy bastard investers, so I should get a free one and all the German beer I can drink.

Turtleman

[bugwhiskers]

A good name for it

"Woody's PI in the sky"

[Aziz]

Hi guys,

my fictitious new detector isn't a Woody brand nor he and his mates are one of my fictitious investors. I think nobody would trust him anymore. I personally wouldn't.

Remember, this is a game only. There isn't a real product. It's a fictitious mind game.

It's obvious, that the new detector shouldn't cost more than the current available best detector. And the price for the current best detector is surely astronomic. 

I'm looking for a more realistic price region.

Aziz

[Aziz]

$$$ 5% more than the Minelab - ha ha.

I know a company, which would calculate the same way.
It's not ML.

What would ML reckon?
I think they would add 5% more for the same unit in a new box.

[Aziz]

 Aziz
 
 Are you talking about 20% more depth than what the
5000 is claimed to get,or what they actually get on hot
ground?
 I already have one that gets 20% better depth than the
ML's got ,and in places 100% better. I damn sure didn't pay
even close to half of what a 5000 costs.

 Also I would not pay as much as a 5000 cost,for any hobby
detector period. The money would be better spent for diesel
and a permit,to actually start mining .

Hi sawmill,

the adjustable sample delay of your TDI makes it possible.
Aziz

[Aziz]

Hi Aziz,

Your little mind game would not have anything to do with our old mate Woody eh!???
He has been boasting to others he is about to go into production making a new detector very soon. 

His rich mate is looking at a factory to buy, (in a country town in Central Vic. I'm told).
Like I said to this prospector who told me of Woody's big move.

"Tell him he's dreaming"!!!  Haa,Haa, Haa. 

Cheers Alluvium.

Hi Alluvium,

Woody and his mates have nothing to do with this game.

I just want to find the pain threshold level for the new fictitious better detector.

So, where lies the pain threshold?
$14,999.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$10,000.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$6,999.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$6,499.00 (magic greed level)
$5,999.00
$4,999.00
$3,999.00
$3,499.00
$2,999.00
$2,499.00
$1,999.00
$1,499.00
$999.00
$499.00 (my fictitious investors would f$ck me boys!)

 
Aziz

[WM6]

What would ML reckon?
I think they would add 5% more for the same unit in a new box.

If one has capabilities to beaten ML in real technology not only in fiction, then this is ML itself for sure.

[Huego]

$$$ 5% more than the Minelab - ha ha.

I know a company, which would calculate the same way.
It's not ML.

What would ML reckon?
I think they would add 5% more for the same unit in a new box.

There are probably many ways a company can deceive (ripoff) buyers AND maximise profits eg for shareholders etc
eg by DIVERTING or using taxpayer-funded grants for hobby metal (incl gold) detection, making false or delusional advertising claims, or using incremental technological creep (drip feed), maximising what the market can tolerate ...... with each new model and with appropriate mouthpieces  customers are 'trained' that they need to save and pay more. SOME HAVE CALLED THIS A GOLD TAX, paid by each purchase!

 

[Aziz]

Huego,

unfortunately, that's so obvious and provable what the well-known company did in the past. The interesting question is, whether the well-known company can do it once again. Sure, it will try and try again. Unless there are customers, which won't play their marketing game anymore.

But this thread has nothing to do with the well-known company. Nevertheless, we can talk about without being banned or having fear (or having deleted this thread).

"We are saying what others think." (Huego)
 
Good motto.

Cheers,
Aziz

[WM6]

unfortunately, that's so obvious and provable what the well-known company did in the past. The interesting question is, whether the well-known company can do it once again. Sure, it will try and try again. Unless there are customers, which won't play their marketing game anymore.

They do what you evidently dream of, in contrary you would not start such lunatic topic.

[Aziz]

Comeon guys,

please, don't get off-topic. What's your price limit for such a detector?
Don't have any fear. Be a brave guy.

Aziz

[Huego]

Hi Aziz,

Your little mind game would not have anything to do with our old mate Woody eh!???
He has been boasting to others he is about to go into production making a new detector very soon.  

His rich mate is looking at a factory to buy, (in a country town in Central Vic. I'm told).
Like I said to this prospector who told me of Woody's big move.

"Tell him he's dreaming"!!!  Haa,Haa, Haa.  

Cheers Alluvium.

Hi Alluvium,

Woody and his mates have nothing to do with this game.

I just want to find the pain threshold level for the new fictitious better detector.

So, where lies the pain threshold?
$14,999.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$10,000.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$6,999.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$6,499.00 (magic greed level)
$5,999.00
$4,999.00
$3,999.00
$3,499.00
$2,999.00
$2,499.00
$1,999.00
$1,499.00
$999.00
$499.00 (my fictitious investors would f$ck me boys!)

 
Aziz

OK Aziz, back to what you want to know.......

This is just my way of showing it using your scale with some colour & comments. Again, I refer to the occasional (mostly retired) amateur prospector (not professional).

Here is one way of showing where the comfort zone is and also "pain threshold" level for a new, fictitious ("better") detector.

The "pain" can be felt by investors or shareholder or by the purchasers!


$14,999.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$10,000.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$6,999.00 (just to shock you all a bit)
$6,499.00 (magic greed level)
$5,999.00    competitive with "the best" in price  
$4,999.00    very competitive with "the best"
$3,999.00       some discomfort level
$3,499.00            some discomfort level
$2,999.00     high comfort level, higher than the TDI, but can be justified
$2,499.00          high comfort level at around the TDI price
$1,999.00    more competitive than the TDI & most MLs
$1,499.00   very affordable so will reach & please most buyers!
$999.00  (probably still intolerable to "fictitious investors!" )
$499.00 (intolerable to "fictitious investors" )

[geof_junk]

I think the big problem is not the price or the depth but the walking in the right spot. Most of my best nuggets were found in both WA and Victoria at a depth that a very basic detector could of found them. However if I need to replace my detector I would go to about $6000 for a versatile machine.

[Aziz]

Hi Huego,

yes, we have obviously almost the same pain threshold level: $2,999.00 mark (not the Deutsche Mark  ).

I would like to know the pain threshold level of other members. Feel free to reveal it. Don't think of the greedy ba$tard investors at the moment.

Cheers,
Aziz

[WM6]

Hi Huego,

yes, we have obviously almost the same pain threshold level: $2,999.00 mark (not the Deutsche Mark  ).

I would like to know the pain threshold level of other members. Feel free to reveal it. Don't think of the greedy ba$tard investors at the moment.

Cheers,
Aziz

What you offer Aziz?

Do you offer LRL tha can proven and reliable detect gold at 200 meters?

If so, fantastic, I can easily spend 20,000 Euros for such accurate apparatus.

But if you are speaking of 20.0%  more depth without at least 99% accurate identification of targets, then, thank you. No, I am not willing to spend one single Euro over my existing devices to dig 20% deeper holes for trash only.

[Aziz]

WM6,

mate, what are you smoking? Please read carefully what I've written. There is no real offer nor a real product.

Again:
This is a mind game of a price pain threshold level.

My personal pain threshold is $2,999.00.

I want to know other pain threshold levels.

Cheers,
Aziz

[WM6]

Aziz, I am trying to  told you right this.

My pain treshold for crappy devices (which can go 20% deeper as ML GPX, but cannot identificate targets) is at $0.1100.

My pain treshold for good devices (no need to go deeper as ML GPX, but offer excellent target identification features) is at $1100.0.

So, there is no general "pain treshold". It depend of devices characteristics in mind.

[Mechanic]

G'day Aziz,

Well my pain threshold would sit at $2500. I would feel comfortable parting with $1500 for a good machine. After all, there will only be several hundred $$$ worth of parts inside and you can have them assembled fairly cheap these days. At a cost of say $500 to produce one, $1000 profit on top should keep those greedy investors some what happy

Cheers Mick