How much a ML beating metal detector should cost?

[bugwhiskers]

I hope George learns something from this spin doctor. Mind you, I think he had some help. It reads like he may have lifted his responses directly from the "Dealer Sales Manual".
I hope George notices that he doesn't deny that an Independant Test Labs report would be a good sales tool. Mind you it may cost a bit, perhaps $3000-$4000, but heck, the profits from the sale of one detector would cover that.
George should also notice that the writer steers well clear of the "Gold detector" marketing bullshyzer. It's one thing to claim improved discrimination and quite another thing to admit that even the latest and greatest still can't tell the difference between a nugget and a bullet.

  Bugwhiskers, can you name one detector company that has a "independent"  test lab check out their detectors?  Do you plan on having the QED tested by such a lab?

George,
I can name one that milks the gold tax cash cow every eighteeen months or so.
Can you name another detector company that does that?

[GEORGE]

 

George,
I can name one that milks the gold tax cash cow every eighteeen months or so.
Can you name another detector company that does that?

  Why is it that every time I get your goat   you fail to answer the question, but ask another completely silly question??

[Doug]

 

George,
I can name one that milks the gold tax cash cow every eighteeen months or so.
Can you name another detector company that does that?

  Why is it that every time I get your goat   you fail to answer the question, but ask another completely silly question??

George you are the silly one when you ask a question like this:"Bugwhiskers, can you name one detector company that has a "independent"  test lab check out their detectors?"
If you had the  slightest idea about the detector industry you would know the answer to this question! Its yes!!! All companies at least in Oz that want to sell a metal detector must submit it for independent testing!!!!! But of course you would not have a clue as to the reasons!!!!!
Why do you keep making a goose of yourself George?
doug

[bugwhiskers]

George,

Candy manufactures and sells high fidelity amplifiers. They come with performance specifications and the performance has been verified by an independant authority.
I have 2 sets of Gold scales. The each cost around $100. Both came with a test weight. Do you know why the test weight is supplied?
Do you think it's in the consumers best interests for claims made by any company for any product to be verified by an Independant and fully qualified Testing Authority?
Do you think the price charged for the product should dictate the importance of this performance verification?
Only someone on the gold tax gravy train would suggest that consumers waive their rights. Is this the case with you George?

[GEORGE]

 

George,
I can name one that milks the gold tax cash cow every eighteeen months or so.
Can you name another detector company that does that?

  Why is it that every time I get your goat   you fail to answer the question, but ask another completely silly question??

George you are the silly one when you ask a question like this:"Bugwhiskers, can you name one detector company that has a "independent"  test lab check out their detectors?"
If you had the  slightest idea about the detector industry you would know the answer to this question! Its yes!!! All companies at least in Oz that want to sell a metal detector must submit it for independent testing!!!!! But of course you would not have a clue as to the reasons!!!!!
Why do you keep making a goose of yourself George?
doug

  Stop it!!  In post 218 & 216 you both say what I said.  No independent testing!

[Huego]

George,
I can name one that milks the gold tax cash cow every eighteeen months or so.
Can you name another detector company that does that?

  Why is it that every time I get your goat  you fail to answer the question, but ask another completely silly question??

WHY?????

BECAUSE you want (even demand) to KNOW (about the QED) without wanting to UNDERSTAND the general  purpose of providing quality standards.  Thats WHY.

This forum is about sharing understanding. (What is your purpose?)
Think about the purpose of PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS (why they are usually provided & what purpose they serve) and how they can influence buyers expectations and prices.

THINK FOR YOURSELF!

[Doug]

 

George,
I can name one that milks the gold tax cash cow every eighteeen months or so.
Can you name another detector company that does that?

  Why is it that every time I get your goat   you fail to answer the question, but ask another completely silly question??

George you are the silly one when you ask a question like this:"Bugwhiskers, can you name one detector company that has a "independent"  test lab check out their detectors?"
If you had the  slightest idea about the detector industry you would know the answer to this question! Its yes!!! All companies at least in Oz that want to sell a metal detector must submit it for independent testing!!!!! But of course you would not have a clue as to the reasons!!!!!
Why do you keep making a goose of yourself George?
doug

  Stop it!!  In post 218 & 216 you both say what I said.  No independent testing!

George go and do some homework for once! Its not the performance specs that are independently tested!!!!!
doug

[Huego]

George,

Candy manufactures and sells high fidelity amplifiers. They come with performance specifications and the performance has been verified by an independant authority.
I have 2 sets of Gold scales. The each cost around $100. Both came with a test weight. Do you know why the test weight is supplied?
Do you think it's in the consumers best interests for claims made by any company for any product to be verified by an Independant and fully qualified Testing Authority?
Do you think the price charged for the product should dictate the importance of this performance verification?
Only someone on the gold tax gravy train would suggest that consumers waive their rights. Is this the case with you George?

Bugs,

Maybe George should ruminate over following points that affect product quality quality & price!

Testing & Product Specifications

Testing forms the basis of providing specification for a product. This is not for the marketing people but for the buyer who wants to know the facts, NOT THE SPIN!  INDEPENDANT (UNBIASED) TESTING CAN PROVIDE THIS!

They verify & assure the buyer of WHAT they are paying for (in no particular order) …. viz

•   Compliance with codes & regulations (these should be stated….. complies with ….)
•   Patent (number), manufacturers date & serial number and country of manufacture (most do that)
•   Provides assurance of minimum performance / operational specifications (each product sold should be testable and should meet minimum performance expectations. This assures a buyer they don’t have a “lemon”. A testing regime could be provided using provided (OR readily available) targets to test how well it works (eg verified by the buyer using a certain coins or even Al cans! etc) as a metal detector under pre-defined conditions towards such targets).  
•   Compliance with minimum QC and QA standards during and after manufacture and sale eg GMP GLP etc
•   Environmental & Durability (resistance to water, dust, temperature extremes, EMI etc)
•   Mechanical Durability / testing -(reports of eg vibrational testing eg from a certified test lab)
•   Electrical tests - resistance to electrical interference, EMI etc
•   Ergonomics & ease of use  (size, weight, ie features making it easier / safer to use, )
•   Other Features that set it apart from competitors (eg they could include simplicity in use, few switches & knobs, digital quality, quality of components, low power consumption, upgradeable software, suitability for other uses etc etc)

Other factors could be included of course in testing and describing a product specification.

Product Specs are as important to the customer as to the MANUFACTURER!
Its up to the manufacturer to provide them and stand by them with a warranty

eg look at this product and how it is described.....

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:BI2iOK1XbSQJ:marsantennas.com/archimg/597.pdf+product+specifications+electrical+mechanical+environmental&hl=en&gl=au&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESh4wJpuqf585voiBjAqwRsnlVMpZY1Jpv4Eb9LIL9ZxfdZy88ZpnmorgUXTHBrwKiqPejyAd2Qg9qzWZl3fniiLWbZkBkYj5ZSmyjAE2-PkJyb8CXVdf_J9PtOtpJnyHUEuu6AD&sig=AHIEtbQKC6zUMea43CJQEYMdbYMATOfPrQ

Huego

[GEORGE]

Bugs,

Maybe George should ruminate over following points that affect product quality quality & price!

Testing & Product Specifications

Testing forms the basis of providing specification for a product. This is not for the marketing people but for the buyer who wants to know the facts, NOT THE SPIN!  INDEPENDANT (UNBIASED) TESTING CAN PROVIDE THIS!

They verify & assure the buyer of WHAT they are paying for (in no particular order) …. viz

•   Compliance with codes & regulations (these should be stated….. complies with ….)
•   Patent (number), manufacturers date & serial number and country of manufacture (most do that)
•   Provides assurance of minimum performance / operational specifications (each product sold should be testable and should meet minimum performance expectations. This assures a buyer they don’t have a “lemon”. A testing regime could be provided using provided (OR readily available) targets to test how well it works (eg verified by the buyer using a certain coins or even Al cans! etc) as a metal detector under pre-defined conditions towards such targets).  
•   Compliance with minimum QC and QA standards during and after manufacture and sale eg GMP GLP etc
•   Environmental & Durability (resistance to water, dust, temperature extremes, EMI etc)
•   Mechanical Durability / testing -(reports of eg vibrational testing eg from a certified test lab)
•   Electrical tests - resistance to electrical interference, EMI etc
•   Ergonomics & ease of use  (size, weight, ie features making it easier / safer to use, )
•   Other Features that set it apart from competitors (eg they could include simplicity in use, few switches & knobs, digital quality, quality of components, low power consumption, upgradeable software, suitability for other uses etc etc)

Other factors could be included of course in testing and describing a product specification.

Product Specs are as important to the customer as to the MANUFACTURER!
Its up to the manufacturer to provide them and stand by them with a warranty


Huego

  Huego, do you think metal detectors should meet all of what you say above?

[Huego]

Bugs,

Maybe George should ruminate over following points that affect product quality quality & price!

Testing & Product Specifications

Testing forms the basis of providing specification for a product. This is not for the marketing people but for the buyer who wants to know the facts, NOT THE SPIN!  INDEPENDANT (UNBIASED) TESTING CAN PROVIDE THIS!

They verify & assure the buyer of WHAT they are paying for (in no particular order) …. viz

•   Compliance with codes & regulations (these should be stated….. complies with ….)
•   Patent (number), manufacturers date & serial number and country of manufacture (most do that)
•   Provides assurance of minimum performance / operational specifications (each product sold should be testable and should meet minimum performance expectations. This assures a buyer they don’t have a “lemon”. A testing regime could be provided using provided (OR readily available) targets to test how well it works (eg verified by the buyer using a certain coins or even Al cans! etc) as a metal detector under pre-defined conditions towards such targets).  
•   Compliance with minimum QC and QA standards during and after manufacture and sale eg GMP GLP etc
•   Environmental & Durability (resistance to water, dust, temperature extremes, EMI etc)
•   Mechanical Durability / testing -(reports of eg vibrational testing eg from a certified test lab)
•   Electrical tests - resistance to electrical interference, EMI etc
•   Ergonomics & ease of use  (size, weight, ie features making it easier / safer to use, )
•   Other Features that set it apart from competitors (eg they could include simplicity in use, few switches & knobs, digital quality, quality of components, low power consumption, upgradeable software, suitability for other uses etc etc)

Other factors could be included of course in testing and describing a product specification.

Product Specs are as important to the customer as to the MANUFACTURER!
Its up to the manufacturer to provide them and stand by them with a warranty

Huego

  Huego, do you think metal detectors should meet all of what you say above?

Ideally Yes!

Now tell me George, who said this (below) about "metal detectors" being advertised as "gold detctors" in Australia (12 mths ago ) and .......

WHY IS ETHICAL / LEGAL COMPLIANCE IMPORTANT to  pricing / advertising / promoting of detectors?


"What is misleading & deceptive conduct?"

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/815335

"There is a very broad provision in the Trade Practices Act that prohibits conduct by a corporation that is misleading or deceptive, or would be likely to mislead or deceive you.

It makes no difference whether the business intended to mislead or deceive you—it is how the conduct of the business affected your thoughts and beliefs that matters.

If the overall impression left by an advertisement, promotion, quotation, statement or other representation made by a business creates a misleading impression in your mind—such as to the price, value or the quality of any goods and services—then the conduct is likely to breach the law."

Huego