More forum B/S!!!!!

[Doug]

More forum B/S!!!!!
“in the test field "with the settings i use on the 45 i can pick up a *498 grainer "just over a ounce" at 3 foot with the 16" mono_____”
http://www.nuggethunting.com/forums/index.php?s=fe607aef061b3c4ded8d26291280b107&showtopic=9071
*1 ounce = 437.5 grains
doug

[Doug]

More forum B/S!!!!!
“in the test field "with the settings i use on the 45 i can pick up a *498 grainer "just over a ounce" at 3 foot with the 16" mono_____”
http://www.nuggethunting.com/forums/index.php?s=fe607aef061b3c4ded8d26291280b107&showtopic=9071
*1 ounce = 437.5 grains
doug

All of you guys with 4500's must be using the wrong settings if you can't pick up a just over 1 ouncer at 3 feet!!
Maybe the nugget has been squashed flat to the size of small saucer!  
All our testing over many years with real nuggets and ML detectors is obviously wrong!!!!
doug

[Huego]

Wonder why Ararat is playing so DUMB.  

Perhaps YOU should explain yourself Doug, that what you are saying is that just over 1 oz (troy OR avoirdupois) is NOT detectable by a 4500 at 3 feet with a 16" mono, UNLESS IT is hammered flat, or turned into a 10 gram beer or soda can, just like aluminium can do!

Uncanny, how a flounder like arat CAN BE SO THICK ........ or SO FLAT?    (puns all intended)

Huego 

[Doug]

Wonder why Ararat is playing so DUMB.  

Perhaps YOU should explain yourself Doug, that what you are saying is that just over 1 oz (troy OR avoirdupois) is NOT detectable by a 4500 at 3 feet with a 16" mono, UNLESS IT is hammered flat, or turned into a 10 gram beer or soda can, just like aluminium can do!

Uncanny, how a flounder like arat CAN BE SO THICK ........ or SO FLAT?    (puns all intended)

Huego 

When the said person has the integrity and the courage to post on the ML forum that he finds the  depth claim exaggerated and not credible he will be entitled to some respect and earn the right to be taken seriously. Until then he is just another pro ML anti anything else buffoon!
These  outrageous depth claims would be laughable if it were not for the fact that they perpetuate the ML  depth myths, but also create unrealistic expectations amongst some users!
doug

[Huego]

Well Doug,

Rick HAS done the right thing and given his considered views based on HIS experience! 

He basiscally agrees with you (and Alluvium). On the US forum he has said that he finds Rhino's claim (that one can hear a nugget of barely over an ounce at 36 inches) to be "unbelievable". He goes further saying that "a nugget of that size would be impossible to hear, even with the most benign ground conditions".

I am pleased he DID have the courage & honesty to challenge Rhino on that claim.  Lets see what comes out. I am keeping an open mind.

He deserves an honest and serious response now.

Huego

[Doug]

Well Doug,

Rick HAS done the right thing and given his considered views based on HIS experience!  

He basiscally agrees with you (and Alluvium). On the US forum he has said that he finds Rhino's claim (that one can hear a nugget of barely over an ounce at 36 inches) to be "unbelievable". He goes further saying that "a nugget of that size would be impossible to hear, even with the most benign ground conditions".

I am pleased he DID have the courage & honesty to challenge Rhino on that claim.  Lets see what comes out. I am keeping an open mind.

He deserves an honest and serious response now.

Huego

But would Rick have done this without my post? Personally I doubt it!
doug

[Doug]

Well Doug,

Rick HAS done the right thing and given his considered views based on HIS experience!  

He basiscally agrees with you (and Alluvium). On the US forum he has said that he finds Rhino's claim (that one can hear a nugget of barely over an ounce at 36 inches) to be "unbelievable". He goes further saying that "a nugget of that size would be impossible to hear, even with the most benign ground conditions".

I am pleased he DID have the courage & honesty to challenge Rhino on that claim.  Lets see what comes out. I am keeping an open mind.

He deserves an honest and serious response now.

Huego

But would Rick have done this without my post? Personally I doubt it!
doug

Will Rick question the veracity of this post by "lbg dreamer"?
“I managed 1 more for the day the flat bit in pics it was down in pipeclay about 25 inches down at bout 0.60 grams was a suprised all up I got 3 for 1”
http://australiangoldfields.freeforums.org/gold-2012-t2354.html
Then the next post then says that .6 grams at 25" is a good effort!!!
doug

[Huego]

Well Doug,

Rick HAS done the right thing and given his considered views based on HIS experience!  
He basiscally agrees with you (and Alluvium).

On the US forum he has said that he finds Rhino's claim (that one can hear a nugget of barely over an ounce at 36 inches) to be "unbelievable". He goes further saying that "a nugget of that size would be impossible to hear, even with the most benign ground conditions".

I am pleased he DID have the courage & honesty to challenge Rhino on that claim.  Lets see what comes out. I am keeping an open mind.

He deserves an honest and serious response now.

Huego

But would Rick have done this without my post? Personally I doubt it!

doug

Will Rick question the veracity of this post by "lbg dreamer"?

“I managed 1 more for the day the flat bit in pics it was down in pipeclay about 25 inches down at bout 0.60 grams was a suprised all up I got 3 for 1”
http://australiangoldfields.freeforums.org/gold-2012-t2354.html
Then the next post then says that .6 grams at 25" is a good effort!!!
doug

Well Doug,

FOLLOWING THE SAME LINE ......  Being the devil’s advocate (as rarely I am), but to make this point:

Will Rick, you or anyone else who KNOWS, question the veracity of this post by sawmill or accept it?

…. “Our 2200d was much better on hot ground than any of our  4000,or 4500 machines in normal timing. In the two mild areas the 4000,and 4500's would run great and punch deep in normal. With the original 4500 before the recall ,an ounce plus nugget at 3 feet in the mild ground ,was possible,and did happen. That is why I alluded to the original pre recall 4500's in another post…”
Sawmill Reply #59:
http://australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com/general-chat-and-discussion-forum/countering-emi-in-pi-detectors/40/

As for me, I don't may not have the experience to know its possible or not. So, I have an open but critical (discerning & inquiring) mind! 

Huego

[sawmill]

 Huego

 Well you have really shown your true colors now!
Asking people that you have insulted and called vile names
to come to your rescue is sinking to a new low. You didn't
believe them when they were on this forum,so why is their
opinion important now?

 The only credibility you have is in your head. Remember
most of the Minelab operators of note,have been banned
from this forum for stating their opinions.

 Hypocrite is a term that fits you very well,and is well earned.

[Gary]

As far as I am concerned this 'dreamer' fella has given himself the right avatar name.

In his dreams to detect that size nugget at just over 2 feet in depth.

Some lessons on how to pinpoint would help.

Gary.
 

[Huego]

sawmill..

I sink or float as is required to search for the TRUTH. The TRUTH here relates to THIS matter ie detection distance ONLY, not personalities! That's clear in my posts. If you cant see that you are a fool. Because Rick (arat) has been banned or made posts i disagree with, does not make him wrong in this instance BECAUSE in my opinion it matches the opinions of those I know & respect. I expect, and have urged Doug and other members to seek the truth not take make waves to take sides. If Rick is right in this matter SAY so! I did.

You have sided with fools like Reno Chris yet you post here?
Does that make you a hypocrite? Do I call you a hypocrite? But I have come close to calling you a fool!
You have a knack of taking offense from nothing and can see offense when none is even there or intended!

[sawmill]

 hugeo

 I have openly stated that Reno is a friend and highly
qualified geologist of record. He is well aware that I no
longer use ML machines or agree with lots of ML propaganda.

 In your warped opinion ,how would this make me a hypocrite?
I have also openly stated that I have lots of friends that use
ML machines,and several are dealers and forum owners. They
all know my opinions, I don't hide the facts.

 I have also stated that if I was doing general hobby nugget
hunting and chasing patches, I would still have a ML machine.
 I don't care what Rick's opinion is,because he was not there
when we found the nugget. His opinion is his own and that does
not prove anything,just another opinion.

 I don't have any axe to grind ,by over selling a detector that I
no longer use, that happened to find a very deep nugget in a
one time deal. One thing I have learned about detecting and
prospecting is there is no absolutes . Strange things can and
do happen ,never say never.

[Doug]

Sawmill,
With the alleged depth performance you were getting with your 4500 why did you send it back to ML to be serviced? Was it just because of the recall or for other reasons?
Also what coil and timings were you using when you found this nugget  allegedly at 3 feet in depth?
Its also highly likely that  Alluvium or one of the other testers  did some testing with some early 4500's.One of the testers  may have sold  his early 4500 for a later one because of the  noise problem which  resulted in the recall. But I do know that quite a  few 4500's from different people have been tested at the test site and some on the bench. None of them that I am aware of could detect a solid 1oz nugget at 3feet in air or through a ground matrix. As i said earlier when someone with 4500(early or late) produces a video showing beyond all doubt that solid 1oz nugget can be detected in air at 3 feet or through a neutral ground matrix then I will believe its possible.Until then I remain totally skeptical.
doug

[Huego]

 hugeo

 I have openly stated that Reno is a friend and highly
qualified geologist of record. He is well aware that I no
longer use ML machines or agree with lots of ML propaganda.

 In your warped opinion ,how would this make me a hypocrite?
I have also openly stated that I have lots of friends that use
ML machines,and several are dealers and forum owners. They
all know my opinions, I don't hide the facts.

 I have also stated that if I was doing general hobby nugget
hunting and chasing patches, I would still have a ML machine.
 I don't care what Rick's opinion is,because he was not there
when we found the nugget. His opinion is his own and that does
not prove anything,just another opinion.

 I don't have any axe to grind ,by over selling a detector that I
no longer use, that happened to find a very deep nugget in a
one time deal. One thing I have learned about detecting and
prospecting is there is no absolutes . Strange things can and
do happen ,never say never.

In my "warped opinion", I don’t share your views of Reno Chris because of his posts here and his motivations. Thats what he made of himself here & what he is to me.
If you are a friend of his that's your business alone, and is of no credit to you here.

I don’t care what machine you use now only what the FACTS & TRUTH is behind depth claims, yours included. I don’t believe the truth resides in you alone! I use a ML machine, like many (friends and flounders alike), but actively disagree with lots of ML, ML mouths & some members propaganda, and I say so. I'm outspoken & YOU don't like it?  Tough!

I don’t call other's “hypocrite” because its misused, misunderstood & too shallow a term - applied to those who don’t conform by those who can't understand?  My opinions of others - dealers, company’s, individuals and even “the facts” can change, that is not hypocrisy, that’s an open mind.

All I have ever expected of others, you included, is to post on your own experience, share your experience (without reading between the lines, unless you can) & stick to the topic. But posting allows others to comment on that post. The TOPIC under challenge is DETECTION DEPTH. (Common ploy of denigratosrs is personal attack & diversion. Even you tried it here! It’s what Reno did.) Why not stick to facts? Maybe because your claims are unsupportable & you feel vulnerable.

Any ones opinion is their own and they are entitled to share it IF they can substantiate the more extreme claims (unbeliveable ones!).
Posting does not prove anything, just another opinion, but some opinions are more convincing / believable that others (for good reason).
Forums are for SHARING of OPINIONS & EXPERIENCES, this one is no different.

I keep an open mind, one that is willing to change, so I never say “never”.

Yours Truely, Huego

[Doug]

 Huego

 Remember most of the Minelab operators of note,have been banned
from this forum for stating their opinions.

Just like I have been banned from USA ML dealer forums for expressing my opinions!!!!!! Who are  the  ML operators of note (and what is the criteria for deciding they are an operator of note?) that have been banned from this forum for expressing their opinion?Their is a vast difference between expressing an opinion on a forum and acting in  disruptive manner with the deliberate intention of trying to drag the forum down,incite flaming  or personal distrusts or hatreds or  arguments or merely using the forum as another ML marketing mouth piece and spin tool!
doug
PS  Reno Chris is NOT banned but has not been back here after  getting things so wrong about me!
I also don't think that Chris is a ML operator of any note!! There are members of this forum who have forgotten more than Chris knows!
I also have invited Chris Gholson and Rob Allison to join this forum to discuss why I was banned from their forums. Neither of them have the balls or the integrity to take up my offer !I wonder what they are afraid of? I notice they are  also still quite happy to allow the outrageous depth claims with ML detectors to be posted on their forums because it suits their purposes and perpetrates the ML myths and mystique!I also note they are quite happy to allow some post which  contain blatant lies about me to remain on their forums because again its suits their purposes!

[Doug]

Well Doug,

Rick HAS done the right thing and given his considered views based on HIS experience!  

He basiscally agrees with you (and Alluvium). On the US forum he has said that he finds Rhino's claim (that one can hear a nugget of barely over an ounce at 36 inches) to be "unbelievable". He goes further saying that "a nugget of that size would be impossible to hear, even with the most benign ground conditions".

I am pleased he DID have the courage & honesty to challenge Rhino on that claim.  Lets see what comes out. I am keeping an open mind.

He deserves an honest and serious response now.

Huego

But would Rick have done this without my post? Personally I doubt it!
doug

Will Rick question the veracity of this post by "lbg dreamer"?
“I managed 1 more for the day the flat bit in pics it was down in pipeclay about 25 inches down at bout 0.60 grams was a suprised all up I got 3 for 1”
http://australiangoldfields.freeforums.org/gold-2012-t2354.html
Then the next post then says that .6 grams at 25" is a good effort!!!
doug

As you might expect Rick has wimped out on this one! Maybe too frightened of the admin there or is Rick just plain spineless?
doug

[sawmill]

 Doug

 Maybe you could get a little nastier with your post.
Gosh you have Rick drooling,just to help you with an opinion
now.

 Lets see now.....we call a fellow names,and accuse him of crap,
and then expect his help.......don't think so!

 Damn just have a hissy fit!

[Doug]

 Doug

 Maybe you could get a little nastier with your post.
Gosh you have Rick drooling,just to help you with an opinion
now.

 Lets see now.....we call a fellow names,and accuse him of crap,
and then expect his help.......don't think so!

 Damn just have a hissy fit!

The truth hurts sometimes!!!!!
If the hat fits wear it!
Its not about needing Ricks help but whether he has the balls and the integrity to challenge outrageous ML depth claims on  ML or  de facto pro ML forums!
Rick obviously lacks the bottle and the integrity to challenge the outrageous depth claim by "lbg dreamer" on the Australian Goldfields Prospectors forum!
By the way Sawmill are you “rhino”on the Nuggethunting forum?
http://www.nuggethunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9071
doug
ps still waiting for your answer to this question
"Who are  the  ML operators of note (and what is the criteria for deciding they are an operator of note?) that have been banned from this forum for expressing their opinion?"

[sawmill]

 Doug

 If you was half as bright as you think you are,you would
know damn good and well,that I am not Rhino.

 I don't sneak around like you and huego ,hiding behind a
bunch of phoney names. The name I use on this forum is the
same name I use on all of the forums.

 If I have something to say,I will say it ,and look you right in
your beady little eyes. Also I will answer your other question
if and when I feel like it. As huego said in another thread ,what
makes you think you have a God Given right to question anyone?
 You can stamp your little cloven hooves ,and squeal all you want,
but ,it won't work with me.

[Doug]

 Doug

 If you was half as bright as you think you are,you would
know damn good and well,that I am not Rhino.

 I don't sneak around like you and huego ,hiding behind a
bunch of phoney names. The name I use on this forum is the
same name I use on all of the forums.

 If I have something to say,I will say it ,and look you right in
your beady little eyes. Also I will answer your other question
if and when I feel like it. As huego said in another thread ,what
makes you think you have a God Given right to question anyone?
 You can stamp your little cloven hooves ,and squeal all you want,
but ,it won't work with me.

Have you seen my post where i have found that one of the testers had a 4500 that was in the recall serial numbers?So your depth claim for the 4500 recall serial numbers based on our testing has no basis in fact.If you read about the electrochemical properties of caliche soils  you will understand why you thought you detected the 10z nugget at 3 feet,a pure coincidence! Your assertion that the recall 4500 's had some unique depth capabilities compared to the later ones I assert is just pure fantasy. Their are still plenty of recall serial number 4500's out their that have not been sent to ML so why not get someone to make a video and prove to us all the the early recall serial numbers 4500's had some some unique depth capabilities and can detect a solid 10z nugget at 3 feet compared to the later one's? I await such  video with keen interest!
doug
Ps the testing by Rhino is totally flawed and not worth the paper its written on!
Also please tell us what "phoney names" i sneak around other forums on?