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« Reply #20 on: Monday April 15 2019 05:59:49 AEST AM »

  
hi ..that explains the side sensativity, but it still should have been picked up by top of the coil at this distance you would think. the comment about go and see matt about the coil, well hes proven to be a nutter so you would take his comments with a grain of salt anyway. this should have been sent to reg wilson to test not this guy matt that has a bad rep. i think your hurting your own sales, reg would have been the first person i would have approached. good luck anyway.

Who is Matt and what is Matt is irrelevant. The question is, is there any consistency between my test results in Bulgaria and Matt video in Australia? I think the answer is self evident.



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« Reply #21 on: Monday April 15 2019 10:10:27 AEST AM »

I will stand by my comment that "the Detector needs to be capable of operating over the surrounding mineralised ground for a proper test without ground noise responses as a target at depth needs to be heard without feedback from the ground."

So I am yet to see a video of a GPX operating outside their quietest timings such as Smooth, Enhance & Fine Gold over a larger area of highly mineralised ground other than at a test bed site.

Therefore if someone has a link to such a video of the GPX set in one of its deepest timings such as Normal or Sharp operating smooth enough with either a DD or Concentric coil over an area of high mineralised goldfield ground, I would like to watch.

Although I would expect a type of DD or Concentric may be capable of doing that.

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« Reply #22 on: Monday April 15 2019 16:27:14 AEST PM »

  
I will stand by my comment that "the Detector needs to be capable of operating over the surrounding mineralised ground for a proper test without ground noise responses as a target at depth needs to be heard without feedback from the ground."

So I am yet to see a video of a GPX operating outside their quietest timings such as Smooth, Enhance & Fine Gold over a larger area of highly mineralised ground other than at a test bed site.

Therefore if someone has a link to such a video of the GPX set in one of its deepest timings such as Normal or Sharp operating smooth enough with either a DD or Concentric coil over an area of high mineralised goldfield ground, I would like to watch.

Although I would expect a type of DD or Concentric may be capable of doing that.

Gary.

The coil is in Ballarat. Go and test it your self. I'll put you in prior contact with Matt if you like.
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« Reply #23 on: Monday April 15 2019 16:35:40 AEST PM »

  
  
I will stand by my comment that "the Detector needs to be capable of operating over the surrounding mineralised ground for a proper test without ground noise responses as a target at depth needs to be heard without feedback from the ground."

So I am yet to see a video of a GPX operating outside their quietest timings such as Smooth, Enhance & Fine Gold over a larger area of highly mineralised ground other than at a test bed site.

Therefore if someone has a link to such a video of the GPX set in one of its deepest timings such as Normal or Sharp operating smooth enough with either a DD or Concentric coil over an area of high mineralised goldfield ground, I would like to watch.

Although I would expect a type of DD or Concentric may be capable of doing that.

Gary.

The coil is in Ballarat. Go and test it your self. I'll put you in prior contact with Matt if you like.


May i suggest that you give the coil to Reg Wilson to test.
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« Reply #24 on: Monday April 15 2019 18:42:20 AEST PM »

  
  
  
I will stand by my comment that "the Detector needs to be capable of operating over the surrounding mineralised ground for a proper test without ground noise responses as a target at depth needs to be heard without feedback from the ground."

So I am yet to see a video of a GPX operating outside their quietest timings such as Smooth, Enhance & Fine Gold over a larger area of highly mineralised ground other than at a test bed site.

Therefore if someone has a link to such a video of the GPX set in one of its deepest timings such as Normal or Sharp operating smooth enough with either a DD or Concentric coil over an area of high mineralised goldfield ground, I would like to watch.

Although I would expect a type of DD or Concentric may be capable of doing that.

Gary.

The coil is in Ballarat. Go and test it your self. I'll put you in prior contact with Matt if you like.


May i suggest that you give the coil to Reg Wilson to test.
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I did open the door for Reg Wilson, but he answered nothing to my last comment pointed to him.
I am curious of what this prototype will do on the QED.
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« Reply #25 on: Monday April 15 2019 19:24:19 AEST PM »

Dontbstme: Reg is in Vietnam for two weeks. I'm sure he would be keen to test the coil when he gets back.

There are few people in Australia better qualified to test detecting equipment than Reg Wilson

PS: Not impressed with current tester at all - - -
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« Reply #26 on: Monday April 15 2019 19:50:01 AEST PM »

  


PS: Not impressed with current tester at all - - -
Well the current tester is not for sale. The coil will be. If the results in my videos are very similar to the results of Matt's video what does it matter who is testing.
The coil is either getting the big stuff deep or is not. The actors are irrelevant.

I consistently invited everyone to test the coil for them selves, but the consistent answer is send it to Reg. Are you not capable to think for your self and test stuff by your self that Reg has to do it all for you?
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« Reply #27 on: Monday April 15 2019 20:32:18 AEST PM »

"I consistently invited everyone to test the coil for them selves, but the consistent answer is send it to Reg. Are you not capable to think for your self and test stuff by your self that Reg has to do it all for you?"

If I was in Victoria I would be happy to oblige - but I live in New South Wales.

"Well the current tester is not for sale. The coil will be. If the results in my videos are very similar to the results of Matt's video what does it matter who is testing?
The coil is either getting the big stuff deep or is not. The actors are irrelevant"

The actors are extremely relevant - if you wish to demonstrate to potential buyers that your coils are thoroughly tuned to Australian goldfield conditions - and worth the money. Seriously, you need someone else to do the video testing.

I'm trying to be helpful - - -
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« Reply #28 on: Monday April 15 2019 21:12:15 AEST PM »

  

I'm trying to be helpful - - -

I appreciate that. Everything will happen in time.
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« Reply #29 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 15:24:27 AEST PM »

Another Video :   

I wish this tester would video himself walking around swinging the coil over the ground and display his settings as well.

Gary.
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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 15:43:07 AEST PM »

  

I wish this tester would video himself walking around swinging the coil over the ground and display his settings as well.

Gary.

I agree! The testing method also leaves a lot to be desired, having a static coil on the ground surface and then moving the object is very different from having a "static" target and  a coil moving over variable mineralized ground!
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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 16:01:10 AEST PM »

  
Another Video :   

I wish this tester would video himself walking around swinging the coil over the ground and display his settings as well.

Gary.
Well I did exactly that, but the videos are dismissed as they are not in Oz, and I could be biased and hell many other reasons. I am not sure if there will be ever a good enough video as everyone has their own opinion on how things should be done.

The coil is in Ballarat. There is a free access to it.

Calculations indicate that the 30"CC production samples will be at least 20% deeper on most targets.
There is also a 21"CC coming as some demand for that size have risen.
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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 16:26:03 AEST PM »

  

Well I did exactly that, but the videos are dismissed as they are not in Oz, ...............



Well I am yet to see anyone walking and detecting over the goldfield ground here in Oz with the coil.
And to display the settings to the camera as you did and if your coil will operate without interference from the Oz ground in the GPX's Normal timing to achieve maximum depth on larger targets, and NOT in Enhance timing.

I live a long way from Ballarat in another state and my ground does not hold large nuggets at depth and as mineralised as Victoria or WA.

Therefore I suppose I should not be as concerned as I am about this coil.

However I appreciate the effort you have gone too by sending it to Australia.

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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 16:39:15 AEST PM »

  
  

Well I did exactly that, but the videos are dismissed as they are not in Oz, ...............



Well I am yet to see anyone walking and detecting over the goldfield ground here in Oz with the coil.
And to display the settings to the camera as you did and if your coil will operate without interference from the Oz ground in the GPX's Normal timing to achieve maximum depth on larger targets, and NOT in Enhance timing.

I live a long way from Ballarat in another state and my ground does not hold large nuggets at depth and as mineralised as Victoria or WA.

Therefore I suppose I should not be as concerned as I am about this coil.

However I appreciate the effort you have gone too by sending it to Australia.

Gary. 

Is Matt using a standard GPX5000 or the modded variety?

The reason I ask is because Matt and I know each other and I am more than happy to accompany him to a test site to do some comparisons.
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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 16:54:22 AEST PM »

And see if it works with the QED?

Regards, Ian. happy face
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« Reply #35 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 17:38:43 AEST PM »

  

Is Matt using a standard GPX5000 or the modded variety?


As far as i know it is a modified 4500 so not a standard 4500 although not sure if he is able to switch the modification off and allow it to operate as in its Normal timing and not sure if Enhance timing is effected by the modification as well.

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« Reply #36 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 17:47:15 AEST PM »

  
  
  

Well I did exactly that, but the videos are dismissed as they are not in Oz, ...............



Well I am yet to see anyone walking and detecting over the goldfield ground here in Oz with the coil.
And to display the settings to the camera as you did and if your coil will operate without interference from the Oz ground in the GPX's Normal timing to achieve maximum depth on larger targets, and NOT in Enhance timing.

I live a long way from Ballarat in another state and my ground does not hold large nuggets at depth and as mineralised as Victoria or WA.

Therefore I suppose I should not be as concerned as I am about this coil.

However I appreciate the effort you have gone too by sending it to Australia.

Gary. 

Is Matt using a standard GPX5000 or the modded variety?

The reason I ask is because Matt and I know each other and I am more than happy to accompany him to a test site to do some comparisons.

Matt is using modified 4500, but I got no idea in what video what setting he is using. I did ask him to use Cancel, Fixed, Normal, Deep and FP so I can see in these settings used by my self what results he would get, but he did his own thing instead.

From what I can see on his video he is getting similar results to mine.
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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday April 24 2019 22:06:48 AEST PM »

  
Another Video :   

I wish this tester would video himself walking around swinging the coil over the ground and display his settings as well.

Gary.

This old boy "Matty" he cracks me up in his videos.
He still tells everyone that the "radar" is the best.

And that Coiltek and Nugget Finder are no good because George
Has got the best and most expensive coil in the world.
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« Reply #38 on: Thursday April 25 2019 00:11:13 AEST AM »

  

This old boy "Matty" he cracks me up in his videos.

And that Coiltek and Nugget Finder are no good because George
Has got the best and most expensive coil in the world.


Yes I have to agree Sd220d and he has a unique way of presenting himself on video.
And of course I did mention to Dontbstme in the other thread that  he should get Matt to run some video tests with his 30” CC coil.
It is a shame Matt  bagging our aftermarket coil manufactures such as Coiltek & Nuggetfinder who have produced some very good alternative coils to ML's selection and I expect aided Matt's nugget results in the past.

Now since the coil is at Ballarat and Dontbstme is offering others free access to it then it would be in his interest as well others to run further tests that would aid Dontbstme’s development of his CC coil to cope with Australian ground on the goldfields. Reg Wilson’s name has been offered up as another independent tester and Bugwhishers has offered his services as well to do some comparison testing with the 30”CC coil so hopefully they can get a chance to test and produce their results here.

Also from what Dontbstme is saying he also has a 21"CC coming as some demand for that size has risen which I expect is coming from other prospectors here in Oz..
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« Reply #39 on: Thursday April 25 2019 02:05:30 AEST AM »

  


Also from what Dontbstme is saying he also has a 21"CC coming as some demand for that size has risen which I expect is coming from other prospectors here in Oz..


Yes people from Oz are asking for smaller coils than the 30"CC. The idea of having coil that works in Cancel mode seems appealing to many. Also the potentially much lower weight is considered to be a benefit.


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