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« on: Thursday December 1 2016 12:07:21 AEDT PM »

Testing the Testers of MD in the Commercial World

Reading the comments about Coils & Metal detectors (MDs) highlights the nature of testing protocols for products & how they are marketed & promoted.  

Who is the selected MD tester / contractor working for & under what conditions?  

Obviously the one who pays him for the testing & report define what they want to know & the terms of the contract.
But what if the tester is also paid by a buying public (prospectors) through his business for selectively promoting or through a personal business which can bias or compromise his allegiences (through his contract or NDA) in public forums?

Imagine this scenario (adapted & arranged from a post on Finders) from a Non Discloure Agreement (NDA) between Tester (contractor) & MD (designer / MD maker) ....

The employer (MD company) defines or limits the terms of what or how & where the testing is done & (vitally) how results are even reported, confidentially or publicly (post release). To whose advantage are the findings? The manufacturer, the prospector / buyer or to the tester? Or, solely for the MD company and its marketing arm?

A MD manufacturer “asks" (ie expects) "the tester to praise anything he thinks is ready for production & can't be significantly improved” … “ready" (to produce & market?) assumes design & manufactuer can produce a largely fault free product ie QC & GMP are followed.  What product cant be "significantly improved"? None .. NONE. Maybe this preliminary assurance is what they need for a creative marketing department to work on.

A MD manufacturer “asks"(ie expects) the tester NOT to praise something just because they think it's what (the product owner) wishes to hear …. NOT because this "could leave them with a million dollars worth of useless stock", this comes from other mistakes. Eg giving the Marketing Dept  -15% to +15% variation in depth performance / an average 30% change (translated as "improvement"?).... Marketing have never been good at maths or facts!  smile

The egg on the face of a MD name, from Reg or many experienced prospectors (through rumor or forum) giving their frank & fearless opinions, can lead to a recall, discounting, a mod (eg the coil cover Reg made, an accessory eg a yellow ring, a dance sequence or worse, have been outcomes…. but there is never an apology or admission of fault.

So we have: "praise it" but "don’t tell us what you think we want to hear". But what we dont have is ……

"Just give us an honest appraisal (strengths & weaknesses, warts & all) without commercial hype of this product’s performance”. This can result in a product being delayed before release … some products are years in development (testing refining & retesting)… ask some here.

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« Reply #1 on: Thursday December 1 2016 12:43:41 AEDT PM »

It is big question, if promo actors along with their screenwriters, could be even named MD Testers.
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday December 1 2016 13:22:55 AEDT PM »

  

 To whose advantage are the findings........

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How much of the findings then would the tester get to keep?

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday December 1 2016 13:34:44 AEDT PM »

  
  

 To whose advantage are the findings........

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How much of the findings then would the tester get to keep?

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I sssume The Tester gets to negotiate that condition Gary. Perhaps its "FINDERS are KEEPERS", as long as they report ALL findings & details of MD settings, test site, target details, mass & depth, shape, ground conditions, weather conditions etc

PS: late addition .... "everybody involved did extremely well." (JR Beatty) . He would know.  smile

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It is big question, if promo actors along with their screenwriters, could be even (be) named MD Testers.  (WM6)


I totally agree WM6.

You / we could argue they should be independent of benefits they may derive post testing.

Perhaps its hard to find independent (non aligned) testers nowdays? How do you reward them? Do they keep what they find? Give them the test or other product at no cost?  

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