northwest GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Tuesday April 25 2017 12:50:48 AEST PM
Home Help Login Register
News: forum firewall bad behaviour Cloudflare Bot scout
Welcome to the Australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum founded in July 2010, an add free totally independent forum with over 70 boards and paid for and managed by the Admin.Total forum Topics:8,707 Total forum Posts:41,444 Members: 654 Total page views:8,000,164  Admin and  forum and domain name owner :marjen at optusnet.com.au. Guests can only see a limited number of boards at present and cannot see any links. Guest cannot post and never will be permitted too!Registration of new members must be approved by admin.Anyone known to have any past or present association with Codan/ML or acting on their behalf as a proxy or intermediary  will not have their registration approved. All  original Photos and posts and  original materials displayed on this site are COPYRIGHTED and remain the property of the poster and the australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com. All messages on this forum express the personal views of the author and should not be interpreted as necessarily being in accord with those of the forum owner and neither the owner of this forum and its domain name nor SMF or the forum software developers or the forum host shall be held responsible for the content of any message. Admin reserves the right to remove any offensive or objectionable posts. No defamatory material or politics/religion or issues of race will be permitted.
Another satisfied QED user!
QED user report for 9 days detecting! User loves it, found it easy to use,found gold with it and he prefers it to his 5000! Also a report on a QED used at the beach for coin shooting.QED users reporting in with their multi ounce gold finds with the QED!
QED is here! ML have NOT stopped the QED!
The QED pictured is backward compatible with the current QED and has been designed and made by a member here. The firmware and circuit are identical with the current version except for a change in the face plate and control box. Changing to this configuration will NOT void the warranty when performed by the control box designer as it has been endorsed, approved and authorized by the QED manufacturer. The 4th button will not work at this time as the  firmware update for that has not been created yet and when its available will be provided free of charge (other than postage costs)by BW.

Goldsearch Australia has been appointed the Australian Distributor for the QED. QED info on the Goldsearch website has been updated.
This is the only forum where you can talk directly with the designer/ manufacturer of the QED and  also some very experienced QED users.
Jrbeatty and Reg Wilson  and  Yellowfin  (or Doug here for that matter!)have NO vested  or pecuniary interests(or secret deals or cash for comment or any other undisclosed benefits )in the QED other than using it to find gold which it is doing very successfully!

australian electronic gold prospecting forum.com  |  Common interest forum.  |  In the Consumers best Interests  |  Topic: GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Go Down Print
Author Topic: GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000  (Read 1330 times)
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« on: Monday June 27 2016 08:38:48 AEST AM »

GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  Black Al Yesterday at 5:02 pm
“-------Basically I have found the GPX 5000 armed with the 17x13 Evo Nugget Finder coil to be out performing the all mighty GPZ on larger deeper targets-------”
  
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #1 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 09:28:19 AEST AM »

  
GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  Black Al Yesterday at 5:02 pm
“-------Basically I have found the GPX 5000 armed with the 17x13 Evo Nugget Finder coil to be out performing the all mighty GPZ on larger deeper targets-------”
  
doug smile

Black Al
"-------The GPZ has a lot of potential but with what's the point of owning one if it can't out perform what's available?-----"
This certainly reflects what some others have found as well!
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #2 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 09:36:31 AEST AM »

  
  
GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  Black Al Yesterday at 5:02 pm
“-------Basically I have found the GPX 5000 armed with the 17x13 Evo Nugget Finder coil to be out performing the all mighty GPZ on larger deeper targets-------”
  
doug smile

Black Al
"-------The GPZ has a lot of potential but with what's the point of owning one if it can't out perform what's available?-----"
This certainly reflects what some others have found as well!
doug smile

From reading his posts Black Al is a full time professional prospector who has had the SAD7000 from release and has dug he says thousand of targets with it and been able to compare it on larger nuggets with his 5000 and finds on many of these it lacks depth compared to his 5000! sad1
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
moodz
restricted
Hero Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 813


« Reply #3 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 14:43:56 AEST PM »

  
  
  
GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  Black Al Yesterday at 5:02 pm
“-------Basically I have found the GPX 5000 armed with the 17x13 Evo Nugget Finder coil to be out performing the all mighty GPZ on larger deeper targets-------”
  
doug smile

Black Al
"-------The GPZ has a lot of potential but with what's the point of owning one if it can't out perform what's available?-----"
This certainly reflects what some others have found as well!
doug smile

From reading his posts Black Al is a full time professional prospector who has had the SAD7000 from release and has dug he says thousand of targets with it and been able to compare it on larger nuggets with his 5000 and finds on many of these it lacks depth compared to his 5000! sad1
doug smile

BA is a GPX trainer at Wattle Flat .. .hes hardly going to say the GPX is no good as he would be killin his own business + the 17 x 13 is a bigger coil than the gpz 14 dd.
Logged
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #4 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 14:55:53 AEST PM »

  
  
  
  
GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  Black Al Yesterday at 5:02 pm
“-------Basically I have found the GPX 5000 armed with the 17x13 Evo Nugget Finder coil to be out performing the all mighty GPZ on larger deeper targets-------”
  
doug smile

Black Al
"-------The GPZ has a lot of potential but with what's the point of owning one if it can't out perform what's available?-----"
This certainly reflects what some others have found as well!
doug smile

From reading his posts Black Al is a full time professional prospector who has had the SAD7000 from release and has dug he says thousand of targets with it and been able to compare it on larger nuggets with his 5000 and finds on many of these it lacks depth compared to his 5000! sad1
doug smile

BA is a GPX trainer at Wattle Flat .. .hes hardly going to say the GPX is no good as he would be killin his own business + the 17 x 13 is a bigger coil than the gpz 14 dd.

But according to ML the SAD 7000 gives up to 40% more depth than the the gpx! How do you know about BA?
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #5 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 15:24:51 AEST PM »

“Had a chat with Minelab trainer a couple of days ago. He has the new 7000 and for $10 g's he's not impressed, he much prefers the 5000 “
  
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
moodz
restricted
Hero Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 813


« Reply #6 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 15:28:55 AEST PM »

  
  
  
  
  
GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  Black Al Yesterday at 5:02 pm
“-------Basically I have found the GPX 5000 armed with the 17x13 Evo Nugget Finder coil to be out performing the all mighty GPZ on larger deeper targets-------”
  
doug smile

Black Al
"-------The GPZ has a lot of potential but with what's the point of owning one if it can't out perform what's available?-----"
This certainly reflects what some others have found as well!
doug smile

From reading his posts Black Al is a full time professional prospector who has had the SAD7000 from release and has dug he says thousand of targets with it and been able to compare it on larger nuggets with his 5000 and finds on many of these it lacks depth compared to his 5000! sad1
doug smile

BA is a GPX trainer at Wattle Flat .. .hes hardly going to say the GPX is no good as he would be killin his own business + the 17 x 13 is a bigger coil than the gpz 14 dd.

But according to ML the SAD 7000 gives up to 40% more depth than the the gpx! How do you know about BA?
doug smile

40% of what ? ... theres plenty of gpx's sittin in cupboards around australia because their owners just dont know how to use them ... I am not saying its a good thing ... but if you read the howto on the GPZ it says  that the unit will take 15 minutes before the balancing algorithm used in the code inside completes its cycle. My guess is that ppl just go out turn it on then can it  ... because they didn't follow the procedures ....  Most things have peculiarities  the GPX 5000 was no different ... there are plenty of posts about the 5k before ppl got used to it.
Logged
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #7 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 15:34:06 AEST PM »

  
  
  
  
  
  
GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  Black Al Yesterday at 5:02 pm
“-------Basically I have found the GPX 5000 armed with the 17x13 Evo Nugget Finder coil to be out performing the all mighty GPZ on larger deeper targets-------”
  
doug smile

Black Al
"-------The GPZ has a lot of potential but with what's the point of owning one if it can't out perform what's available?-----"
This certainly reflects what some others have found as well!
doug smile

From reading his posts Black Al is a full time professional prospector who has had the SAD7000 from release and has dug he says thousand of targets with it and been able to compare it on larger nuggets with his 5000 and finds on many of these it lacks depth compared to his 5000! sad1
doug smile

BA is a GPX trainer at Wattle Flat .. .hes hardly going to say the GPX is no good as he would be killin his own business + the 17 x 13 is a bigger coil than the gpz 14 dd.

But according to ML the SAD 7000 gives up to 40% more depth than the the gpx! How do you know about BA?
doug smile

40% of what ? ... theres plenty of gpx's sittin in cupboards around australia because their owners just dont know how to use them ... I am not saying its a good thing ... but if you read the howto on the GPZ it says  that the unit will take 15 minutes before the balancing algorithm used in the code inside completes its cycle. My guess is that ppl just go out turn it on then can it  ... because they didn't follow the procedures ....  Most things have peculiarities  the GPX 5000 was no different ... there are plenty of posts about the 5k before ppl got used to it.

I imagine that BA and others are quite familiar with how to GB the SAD7000!
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #8 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 16:38:14 AEST PM »

So if you have to Gb the SAD 7000 8 times a day because the ground is highly variable then you will have to spend at least 2 hours a day("unit will take 15 minutes before the balancing algorithm used in the code inside completes its cycle") doing Gb and with the octopus walk!
If you  happen to get bad EMI during the GB procedure then what happens to the Gb?
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
moodz
restricted
Hero Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 813


« Reply #9 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 20:05:53 AEST PM »

  
So if you have to Gb the SAD 7000 8 times a day because the ground is highly variable then you will have to spend at least 2 hours a day("unit will take 15 minutes before the balancing algorithm used in the code inside completes its cycle") doing Gb and with the octopus walk!
If you  happen to get bad EMI during the GB procedure then what happens to the Gb?
doug smile

I take it you have verified this ... its hardly in the consumer interest to report unverified whinging and moaners ( who probably cant read ).
Logged
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #10 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 22:09:09 AEST PM »

  
  
So if you have to Gb the SAD 7000 8 times a day because the ground is highly variable then you will have to spend at least 2 hours a day("unit will take 15 minutes before the balancing algorithm used in the code inside completes its cycle") doing Gb and with the octopus walk!
If you  happen to get bad EMI during the GB procedure then what happens to the Gb?
doug smile

I take it you have verified this ... its hardly in the consumer interest to report unverified whinging and moaners ( who probably cant read ).

Can't you see the serious flaws in the SAD7000 Gb methodology?
Think about it! It should be obvious!
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
moodz
restricted
Hero Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 813


« Reply #11 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 22:52:54 AEST PM »

  
  
  
So if you have to Gb the SAD 7000 8 times a day because the ground is highly variable then you will have to spend at least 2 hours a day("unit will take 15 minutes before the balancing algorithm used in the code inside completes its cycle") doing Gb and with the octopus walk!
If you  happen to get bad EMI during the GB procedure then what happens to the Gb?
doug smile

I take it you have verified this ... its hardly in the consumer interest to report unverified whinging and moaners ( who probably cant read ).



Can't you see the serious flaws in the SAD7000 Gb methodology?
Think about it! It should be obvious!
doug smile


..are you referring the chicken dance and "relative complexity'  or the technology used ?
Logged
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #12 on: Wednesday June 29 2016 23:08:35 AEST PM »

  
  
  
  
So if you have to Gb the SAD 7000 8 times a day because the ground is highly variable then you will have to spend at least 2 hours a day("unit will take 15 minutes before the balancing algorithm used in the code inside completes its cycle") doing Gb and with the octopus walk!
If you  happen to get bad EMI during the GB procedure then what happens to the Gb?
doug smile

I take it you have verified this ... its hardly in the consumer interest to report unverified whinging and moaners ( who probably cant read ).



Can't you see the serious flaws in the SAD7000 Gb methodology?
Think about it! It should be obvious!
doug smile


..are you referring the chicken dance and "relative complexity'  or the technology used ?


The chicken dance is part of it but is the area you choose to do the chicken dance truly representative of the surrounding area you intend to detect?
In many cases it may not be! And every time you change modes or move to another area you have to repeat the procedure!
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #13 on: Thursday June 30 2016 10:58:51 AEST AM »

Re: GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000
  goldtalkleonora Today at 8:36 am
-”------------what I will say is that the GPZ is by far the most exciting detector to come onto the market in a long long time.....but it's not right yet “(even after according to ML 10  million dollars and 5 years on [email protected]!!!!
  
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #14 on: Thursday June 30 2016 11:11:20 AEST AM »

I love this comment by Black Al on the same thread
"---------Well done Minelab a great way to get Maxium dollars out of us all to get some of the gold in a patch, and make us like headless chickens go over the same ground pecking away just for a feed!"
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #15 on: Thursday June 30 2016 16:55:04 AEST PM »

 I notice an ex ML dealer has responded to my posts here. Firstly I take anything said by anyone who has had a past or present association with ML with a grain of salt!Secondly the area this person detects(Ararat)  in general  has more benign mineralization than other golden triangle areas like Kingower, Wedderburn etc.
Secondly he does not tell  us how many of the nuggets and specimens found with his SAD7000 he would have been easily detected with a gpx and and  an EVO coil(probably very many_maybe most!!) Using an evo coil and a gpx you will cover much much more ground (=potentially more gold-new patches) than with the SAD7000 with its smaller coil and the absolute requirement to scan very slowly( and the time you will waste digging  innumerable shotgun pellets etc with the SAD7000)
He does concede that the depth difference with the GPX with the evo coil and the SAD7000 is probably quite similar on more solid nuggets. He also does not tell us how many tree roots and charcoal  etc gave false signals on the SAD7000. Lets see how he goes with the SAD7000  if the present el nino cycle ends and we go into la nina where the ground becomes wet and potentially more conductive.
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #16 on: Thursday June 30 2016 17:14:32 AEST PM »

If you have mastered the gp/gpx and have done  your  goldfields research  then I believe  you should get an EVO  coil and not waste your time and money on the SAD7000! I think you will end up with just as much or probably more gold than if you had used the SAD7000!
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #17 on: Thursday June 30 2016 17:31:17 AEST PM »

  
I notice an ex ML dealer has responded to my posts here. Firstly I take anything said by anyone who has had a past or present association with ML with a grain of salt!Secondly the area this person detects(Ararat)  in general  has more benign mineralization than other golden triangle areas like Kingower, Wedderburn etc.
Secondly he does not tell  us how many of the nuggets and specimens found with his SAD7000 he would have been easily detected with a gpx and and  an EVO coil(probably very many_maybe most!!) Using an evo coil and a gpx you will cover much much more ground (=potentially more gold-new patches) than with the SAD7000 with its smaller coil and the absolute requirement to scan very slowly( and the time you will waste digging  innumerable shotgun pellets etc with the SAD7000)
He does concede that the depth difference with the GPX with the evo coil and the SAD7000 is probably quite similar on more solid nuggets. He also does not tell us how many tree roots and charcoal  etc gave false signals on the SAD7000. Lets see how he goes with the SAD7000  if the present el nino cycle ends and we go into la nina where the ground becomes wet and potentially more conductive.
doug smile

It also helps if you have permission to  access to a lot of lightly detected private land!!!!
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
kazza
Newbie

Offline Offline

Posts: 118


« Reply #18 on: Friday July 1 2016 18:02:02 AEST PM »

Thought this summary may be helpful after much experience:

The flat wound Nugget Finder & Coiltek coils have pretty amazing sensitivity and REALLY DO improve signal response on small nugget resulting in bringing the 5000 almost up to SDC sensitivity on 0.1 gram to 0.5 gram range.

However, this advantage comes at a cost:

•   These coil geometry saturate far more readily than a conventional wound coils even using Smooth/Enhance/Fine. Saturation is especially bad in Normal type of GB except where the ground is extremely quiet. 
•   Trouble trying to pinpoint. 
•   False signals can be bad using the 11" Coiltek coil, whereas the 12" NF coil is OK.     
•   They are heavy but nowhere near as bad as the GPZ coils.
•   Their depth on larger deeper nuggets is a tiny bit worse than conventional coils of the same diameter.
Logged
Doug
Administrator
Revered Supreme Hero Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15444



« Reply #19 on: Friday July 1 2016 23:16:57 AEST PM »

  
Thought this summary may be helpful after much experience:

The flat wound Nugget Finder & Coiltek coils have pretty amazing sensitivity and REALLY DO improve signal response on small nugget resulting in bringing the 5000 almost up to SDC sensitivity on 0.1 gram to 0.5 gram range.

However, this advantage comes at a cost:

•   These coil geometry saturate far more readily than a conventional wound coils even using Smooth/Enhance/Fine. Saturation is especially bad in Normal type of GB except where the ground is extremely quiet. 
•   Trouble trying to pinpoint. 
•   False signals can be bad using the 11" Coiltek coil, whereas the 12" NF coil is OK.     
•   They are heavy but nowhere near as bad as the GPZ coils.
•   Their depth on larger deeper nuggets is a tiny bit worse than conventional coils of the same diameter.


Thanks Kazza. Some of the things you have found with the new coils are what BW has also found when he uses one the QED.BW has only tested the EVO coil i think.
doug smile
Logged

All posts on this forum are the personal views of the author and should  not necessarily be  interpreted as those of Admin The QED contains NO patented or protected IP!!! No fake users on this site! This forum does not depend on  guest posting liars to survive!1/2 wit powerless to login and post! LO
Pages: [1] 2 Go Up Print 
australian electronic gold prospecting forum.com  |  Common interest forum.  |  In the Consumers best Interests  |  Topic: GPX 5000 vs GPZ 7000 « previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder

BisdakworldClassic design by JV PACO-IN
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!