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« on: Sunday June 28 2015 22:30:25 AEST PM »

I have moved this from the index page and consolidated it into one post
The 7000 saga!
 GPZ my rating 4 out of 10 and thats being kind ! “ Canned Heat"  “Has trouble coping with detecting on angles and walls of gullys, just as noisy as a GPX. This issue really bugs me, you can hit the tune all you like it makes no difference. Needs to be reset too often ( though mine might have an issue and I am considering sending it back). It does not detect solid nuggety gold hardly any deeper than a 5000, in fact the solid ones are glaringly missing from the radar. Notice all the good nuggety lumps turning up with the 7?????Its a good machine but does not live up to the claims.”
  
"Please explain, minelab had plenty of correspondance from me both written and over the phone, and never spoke about offering a refund, I would have taken it after the first week"
“Given the number of Zed owners that I have heard of quickly selling their 7000 after purchase, it makes me wonder how long it will be before Minlab realise that they have to fix some of the identified problems.”
   "Unless the world lead price explodes few if any 7000's will pay for themselves!"  
"Had expectations when I got my 7000 that I would clean up over a couple of old patches. Well, didn't quite happen on one...got about 7 tiny bird shot on a very shallow patch that 4500 and 5000 detectors had flogged"
   1/2 wit  dropkick and his  pathetic sewer "forum" of liars and misfits are a shameful disgrace!
"BTW - the SDC2300 is a killer. Everyone's showing me heaps. The 7000 on the other hand,,,,,,,,,,,,,,couldn't find its own arse with a map and a compass!"
“The 7000 is the biggest heap of smelly dogshit that ML have ever produced. I'll put some very revealing figures on here soon that will tell you that a 5000 in "normal" with an 11 inch ML mono on was as good as my 7000 and even beat it one test. I dread to think how much better the 5000 would be if I put an 18 inch mono on and then tested against the 7000!! I reckon a 5000 with a 14 inch CT Elite will easily cream the 7000 - or at least it will beat the one that I own!”
  
"Not convinced yet" "----Minelab; If you are reading this! Its time to recall and upgrade. I'm sure you have been hard at work rectifying the ground balance problems and warr-warrs that are obvious to all and sundry. The technology has real potential but the current package that has stability, reset, ground balance, interference, house keeping and audio issues, it is a dud"  http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8663&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
"---“Steve, if anyone should feel disappointed or hard done by, it should be me, I lost some hard earned cash on the ZED. I'm the one who is financially worse off after the ZED release--------”.
  
“-------Though the boys have found some good gold with with the 7k one at a very impressive depth though for me personally to many teething issues----”
  
“-----Officially from Minelab I have been told a new thing I'm doing wrong every week and I spent 50-60 hours swinging the machine, and every week I went back and tried their NEW idea to no avail. It was a PREMATURE release! The number of tech updates, and band-aid fixes in the first three months is obvious proof. Us poor SODS are BETA testing for minelab and paying top dollar for the privileged.”  
  
"My 7000 has put me out of business at present I'm so pissed off with it."!!!  http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8663&start=120
 “-------I reckon this  is the worst detector that ML have ever brought out-------”
"I think Minelab have not learned from the GP Extreme release with respect to qualty control. ISO certified companies should have checks and balances in place to ensure that people should never go through what you have experienced" (with the 7000).
"I'm getting angrier every day Minelab!"  http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t21871-anybody-used-the-ferrite
“The quality thats coming out of ML lately is woeful. Iv had nothing but manufacturing issues with my SDC and GPZ, sending both units and their accessories back numerous times with multiple failures. Luckily performance has been their only saving grace. Its really not good enough.”
"They should recall the cables and supply us with new ones. Period. Especially when it's hazardous like in this instance."
  
"------There is much room for refinement, the air tests show this, but I am quite disappointed that my 4500 has better performance on inground nuggets over half a gram. .-----------”
  
“--------"This machine (the 7000) is very different to any machine you've used before. The technology is so different that you must adopt different techniques".
FFS!!! You can say that again!! I'll say it's "different"! It's so different that you can have a different machine with each serial number!! GRRRRR!!! ----------”  http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8663&start=225&sid=c0696b0d90b21acfe98a7aab3a2592f1
“It has become quite clear that Minelab / Codan don't give a f#ck and are penny pinching to maximise profits ! "  http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8663&start=255&sid=adafdebbec9ff0e3311957c9038ac869
“Dont worry about me, Im bias now. I'm just one of the disgruntled customers that lost money, time and effort on the ZED, and didnt get what I expected when I put up my hard earned cash.”  http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8663&start=270&sid=fac90dad6076b27ddc93164e8c254842
BS the GPZ I have been using "Just Won't SHUT THE FUDGE UP" it will be another one heading back to "Dr Minelab" the coil is touch sensitive & goes off 'Like a Turkey on a rope"     
GPZ not stable in salty ground in WA
  vasilis Yesterday at 8:09 pm
“Just got a phone call from Tiboo Dave and the feedback is - GPZ is very unstable in and around the salt lakes in Western Australia.
Nothing he tried gave any hope of operating comfortably. The ferrite was of no help at all as he managed to get access to one on the field.
Frustrated with this so he got the 5000 out and managed to find 11 grams where the GPZ could not run.-----------”
  
 Re: GPZ not stable in salty ground in WA
“----You are spot on ichy-ban. The GPZ was unstable at least 2 km radius from the salt lakes in WA.
So as you have said it may seem almost impossible to operate comfortably on the western front---”.
  
“----There are fortunate 7000 owners that have good machines, no doubt about it. But there are many that have bad ones. Mine has just returned from ML after having a bad joint resoldered and 2800 bucks worth of new parts fitted to it. Now, it can be argued that mine was "one in a million" but I don't believe that for a couple of reasons.----”
  
“----" haven't there been enough failed coils to consider some sort of a recall?????? “
  
Re: Depth testing the GPZ
  ichi-ban Today at 4:45 pm
“All very well, Kon - if you have a good ZED to start of with. I can use my 5000 with a 11 mono on "normal" and beat my ZED in any setting, 2 out of 6 targets on a test patch with known, pre-buried targets at set depths. In the 4 cases where the ZED won the contest it was by a margin of only about 8% over the 5000. These are big targets representing one ounce up to three ounces. Sure, ML said my ZED was defective and it has yet to be tried and tested again, but there's an increasing number of people that haven't been as lucky getting a good ZED as you & Rick.----------”
  
Re: Depth testing the GPZ
  AraratGold Yesterday at 6:38 pm
"------There is no doubt that the ZED struggles on some ground, particularly when wet, so clearly Minelab have some work to do here ! There is also no doubt that there are QC problems at Minelab. When you pay that much for a machine, you have every right to expect a lot better ! I feel for you, and the others who also have duds.The silence from Minelab in my opinion is a disgrace. IMHO Minelab should publicly admit that there are some serious problems with this release, but I doubt they will------ ! “
  
Re: "Minelab,are you listening??????“
gravel Today at 3:21 pm
"Sorry, the machine is a dud, forests for the trees? The machine under performs the 5 with a wise head attached. Ground balancing is faulted by design, the machine is a step backwards.----”
Re:"Minelab,are you listening??????
GoldProspector Today at 6:10 pm
“minelab are not listening. my zed is a dud.-----”
  
"Yes ML need to address this inconsistency between machines. I'm not happy with the fact I'm getting lot worse performance compared to wayne7000”
  
Re: "Minelab,are you listening??????
gravel Today at 8:48 pm
“----I could pull a piece or two from the bag and buy another 7, but i know its S__t”.
  "
"Anyone else got a crack in their screen? Mine appeared over night"
“I for one dont have any GB issues with my Z . unless of cause you dig a great sounding target only to discover that there is nothing there when you go over it with a 2300”
    
“------So it's "THERE" but the ZED can't even hear it. ML have fixed this thing and it still stinks. There is far too much inconsistency in these ZEDs. I'm getting all sorts of test results from other owners that simply make no consistent sense. One guy can't hear a 5 cent coin at 8 inches!!! FFS!!
I've had the ZED up to my gills. That 2300 is a shark on small bits. They could spell the start of a patch, a reef etc whilst the ZED DEFINITELY missed gold. I'm over the bullshit ML hype that surrounds this machine. Even if you do find sub-grammers with the ZED it's -*- nigh on impossible to locate in the scoop! It's a real PIA. Spending 20 minutes to find "0.05 grammes" is not on! I've also lost all faith I had in JP. --------”
  

“-------But when an $11,000.00 machine can't pick up surface gold that can clearly be heard with a $4,000.00 machine I really do have to wonder at the magnitude of the sales pitch here. I've now got people denying they stated the ZED is better than the 2300 on small gold. I'm stating based on my experience - that it isn't.------”

“-----I couldn't find anything with the thing I borrowed and used in known large ounce nugget area near Laverton which had never had a 7000 over it....just false signals and small crapp....
I reckon its more about justification of the expense than the actual returns...that maintains their positivity...how many 5000 owners are still posting results...they don't have to..we already know they work...there's nothing to justify or sprout about IMO...we know the 5000 is fully functional without knowing all the secret squirrel business and bloooody ferrite rods etc.. the 7000 owners have to continually discuss ad nauseum....perhaps I'll be deliriously happy with Model#2 7000 after all their bugs are sorted including the hernia buster weight------”
"Darren Kamp set up his 7000 that I used......we both watched in amazement at the false signals....he is a professional and has successfully used most detectors and coils in W.A., NSW and Vic for the past 30 years......he told me he is getting rid of the thing and buying more 2300's that do pay their way....
    
“-----I just sold my 7000 after trying it out against 5's and with other 7's to make sure it was at least the same as theirs, the 7's.
So unimpressed that I sold it. There is ground out there the 7 is pitiful in and as that constitutes most of the areas I hunt I ditched it. To be out and see a 5 match and at times beat it was a major disappointment.-----see your $10700 new acquisition get caned by a machine half the price, well lets just say its not impressive. -------Minelab, shove your 7's. Im going back over ground with my 5 and finding obvious gold the 7 missed!------”
  
“-------But it does say on the sticker on the bottom of the recharger 'dry locations only'. Sorry minelab I can't do it in 'dry locations only' as your 12 vlt plug doesn't even work! But if it did work I would recharge inside my vehicle which would be a 'dry location'. I'm no electrician but wondering if the probs I found inside my charger ie organic matter and dust being over the power board, could it be a possibility that the unit catch fire??????
Anyway I will say that this charger unit is pathetic minelab”
  
The ZED is dead!
Bilbo
“I doubt I'll ever trust Minelab again after this. It was debacle of a release.-----there are also many who lost money and faith “
  
Not convinced yet
“-----The zed has a select market of slow swinging very patient prospectors on faviourable ground. And good luck to them as they deserve rewards for the outlay. What I didn't say in all my origional posts was that I did all my tests comparing my zed with my 45. And even though I found on most targets a small 5-10 percent better depth. The ground covered reduced to about 1/8th of what I can do with a 45. I couldnt use it on heaps for any length of time due to weight. And creek walls impossible due to weight and rediculous ground noises. And apparently salty ground was everywhere with the weeewaaars. There goes any advantage on 90 percent of the gold barring ground i swing on. We both learnt a lesson here. Don't trust minelab without seeing with your own eyes first hand”
  
Bilbo
“------BTW - heard on rumourvine today - things are real bad at ML repair centre in Adelaide because of on overwhelming number of 7000 warranty repairs, The quote was "techs are tearing their hair out"!! Makes ya wonder - some are great machines and some are dogs????
  
“------In my opinion going to a 7000 is not worth the cost, in all honesty if all you are getting is small pieces then run a small coil on the 4500/5000 and you also get small pieces, further to that I have a 2300 as well and if you want small pieces then it will get bee's balls, even the purchase of both of these machines still comes under the cost of the overpriced and underachieving 7000. -------”
  
More Zed QC problems!!
“------Out again to the same spot the next day and disaster!! the Z refused to balance and sensitivity was virtually non existant. Could wave the coil within 6 inches of my pick before it would react, whereas it normally complains a good 2 feet away.------”
  
The 7000 it  appears is also a great detector of charcoal and burnt tree roots!
“----------Out again to the same spot the next day and disaster!! the Z refused to balance and sensitivity was virtually non existant. Could wave the coil within 6 inches of my pick before it would react------------”
  
“------$10,700 machine packaged with a 50 cent chine$$e plug. it also has the potential to start a fire so beware.”
“----------Having been a customer for 20 years am am very unimpressed with the poor quality control now evident. As you say, for $10,700 you would expect better. “
  
Bilbo
 ---------I reckon ML want their arse kicking for not putting a warning label on the 7000 - "Not to be used In Western Australia----------------”
  
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« Reply #1 on: Monday July 6 2015 20:17:58 AEST PM »

More updates added today! The sad saga continues!
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« Reply #2 on: Monday November 30 2015 09:24:40 AEDT AM »

Nearly 12 months on and this has still not been corrected.
The 87 ounce nugget was found with a GPX4500 a WEEK BEFORE the release of the GPZ7000.


  



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« Reply #3 on: Monday November 30 2015 18:33:57 AEDT PM »

I can only see the article in google cache form. But it uses typical marketing wording.

 "remarkable find falls on the heels of Minelab’s newest product release" Doesnt actually mention the model, but by omission we can be sure it wasnt the latest model. If it was, it would be shouted from the rooftops.

At 6 inches could have been found with...."place your favourite detector here".

Reminds me of some other ambiguous media material related to M/L and nugget finds
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« Reply #4 on: Monday November 30 2015 18:53:07 AEDT PM »

  
I can only see the article in google cache form. But it uses typical marketing wording.

 "remarkable find falls on the heels of Minelab’s newest product release" Doesnt actually mention the model, but by omission we can be sure it wasnt the latest model. If it was, it would be shouted from the rooftops.

At 6 inches could have been found with...."place your favourite detector here".

Reminds me of some other ambiguous media material related to M/L and nugget finds

What detector do you see featured in the promo?
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« Reply #7 on: Monday November 30 2015 21:46:33 AEDT PM »

  
  


ML have certainly got their troubles with a 77 cents share price and  the sad 7000!
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday December 29 2016 23:27:26 AEDT PM »

  
Nearly 12 months on and this has still not been corrected.
The 87 ounce nugget was found with a GPX4500 a WEEK BEFORE the release of the GPZ7000.


  

Bugs, I detect with Mick and his brother pretty regularly. Mick has now moved up here, and swings a zed now. He found the 87 oz nug with a 4500, yes, but reckons anyone with any detector would have found it. Mick and his brother both swing zeds, and they always find a lot more gold than me, I use a 4500 with nf 14*9 evo and a 15" spoked evo. The zeds take some getting used to, but they are really,really good. The standard coil is better than the 19" ....thing....
I wouldn't hesitate to buy a zed if I could afford one, however, I am really optimistic about the QED, and will get one ASAP. I will keep my 4500 as well. I'm holding that the QED will tame the ground I'm on, that is where the zed is killing me, cheers, Dave.




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« Reply #9 on: Friday December 30 2016 04:24:25 AEDT AM »

  

He found the 87 oz nug with a 4500, yes, but reckons anyone with any detector would have found it.


But promote (on those link), that it was found with GPZ7000, didn't he?

What is important in promos, is truth and only truth, not what someone other "reckons".
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« Reply #10 on: Friday December 30 2016 05:44:20 AEDT AM »

  
  

He found the 87 oz nug with a 4500, yes, but reckons anyone with any detector would have found it.


But promote (on those link), that it was found with GPZ7000, didn't he?

What is important in promos, is truth and only truth, not what someone other "reckons".

I believe the "false" info was issued by the "marketing department".
I have heard that a Fairfax Journalist has been provided with a lot of hard evidence re this matter.
Mick may have tried to put the record straight, but did he put enough effort into it?
Perhaps Davent could ask Mick just what he has done to stop his fellow prospectors from being deceived.

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« Reply #11 on: Friday December 30 2016 09:44:56 AEDT AM »

Was that up here Davent or did u copy paste from somewhere as am thinking..
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« Reply #12 on: Friday December 30 2016 12:48:41 AEDT PM »

Where's the false info saying it was found with the GPZ? I've read 6 or so newspaper reports that made no mention of Minelab let alone the detector used. I've read the Minelab press release and they don't state what detector but do take the liberty of giving their newly released machine a plug? No declaration there. I've watched TV news reports that don't state what detector but Nine News does show footage of a GPZ in use. I remember watching a morning show Today? and from memory the finder declared on there for all that he found it with an older model Minelab but I don't remember him saying what model? He did say that he would be upgrading ASAP or had already to the newest model Minelab. I  assume by that he meant he'd be buying a GPZ as soon as he could or that he already had? I think the ACCC would have better things to do?
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« Reply #13 on: Friday December 30 2016 12:59:43 AEDT PM »

  
He quite clearly states that he was using a Minelab detector and a Nugget Finder coil. He also states that the find has allowed him to upgrade to the GPZ7000.
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« Reply #14 on: Friday December 30 2016 13:02:28 AEDT PM »

  
  
He quite clearly states that he was using a Minelab detector and a Nugget Finder coil. He also states that the find has allowed him to upgrade to the GPZ7000.

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« Reply #15 on: Friday December 30 2016 13:09:12 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
He quite clearly states that he was using a Minelab detector and a Nugget Finder coil. He also states that the find has allowed him to upgrade to the GPZ7000.

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I have the SC of the go minelabbing news and in my view it amounts conduct that is likely to mislead or deceive consumers. I also believe that a ML dealer for a short time had on his web site that the nugget was found with the SAD7000!!
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« Reply #16 on: Friday December 30 2016 14:01:06 AEDT PM »

It's good to see the true colours of forum posters emerge as they attempt to defend the indefensible.
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« Reply #17 on: Friday December 30 2016 15:00:05 AEDT PM »

from memory when I was reading the article Minelab was in a way misleading the public at the time
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« Reply #18 on: Friday December 30 2016 15:19:28 AEDT PM »

  
Was that up here Davent or did u copy paste from somewhere as am thinking..

Copy and paste what GEF? No, mick found the rock in Vic, but has since relocated to here. I will ask him about the mis information when I see him next.....
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« Reply #19 on: Friday December 30 2016 15:20:03 AEDT PM »

  
from memory when I was reading the article Minelab was in a way misleading the public at the time
They did take some liberty by sliding the GPZ release into the story. Any half intelligent person who reads it doesn't automatically conclude that the GPZ was being used though? Well I didn't and I'm not too smart.
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