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« on: Friday May 22 2015 08:41:45 AEST AM »

It will take 29 years to pay off my GPZ 7000!
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“Paid $10,700.00. Used for 3 weeks. Found $350.00 bucks worth. Biggest piece = 1.2 grammes”.
  
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« Reply #1 on: Friday May 22 2015 09:46:36 AEST AM »

To comforting Bilbo: next year will be out GPX8000, worth $16,000.00, with promise 24 years only to pay off.
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« Reply #2 on: Friday May 22 2015 17:46:35 AEST PM »

Seems that and other posts on 4ummer triggered some reflective posts, over the pond, on SteveH's forum. "Saturable" and salt laden ground, and combinations of the above. Nice to see some advice and attempts at workarounds offered there. I wonder if a "Salt timing" fix will be offered for the next model ?

I hope that disgruntled owner over in WA gets some help from ML. It could be a marvelous PR opportunity for them, even if they could not solve his issues completely...... but at least be seen to attempt a fix / inspection of his ground and setup. You'd think at 10700 a pop, thats the least they could do for him.

Its been suggested that switching from High Yield to a search mode with lower operating frequency - General or Extra Deep.... and ground mode switched to Severe, can help in some difficult ground. I wonder if there is any difference in the amplitude of signal ? In conventional P.I  there is a trend to have amplitude scaled lower as operating frequency goes up ? And that is used to both to look for smaller targets, but also to lower the response/reaction from "saturable" ground ? Someone slap me here, and put me right.

Maybe the point is that if the ground is that bad there is no fix. Only compromise, no matter what model and that people might be better off with cheaper/previous model P.I - in terms of a cost/return ratio on that particular ground. What does everyone on the forum here think ?

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« Reply #3 on: Friday May 22 2015 20:03:40 AEST PM »

  

Maybe the point is that if the ground is that bad there is no fix.


If so, then we have with "ZED" renowned TR/IB technology only, which perform on bad ground the same and ideally tuned go extremely deep in mild soil.
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« Reply #4 on: Friday May 22 2015 20:36:32 AEST PM »

  
  

Maybe the point is that if the ground is that bad there is no fix.


If so, then we have with "ZED" renowned TR/IB technology only, which perform on bad ground the same and ideally tuned go extremely deep in mild soil.

How true!!
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« Reply #5 on: Friday May 22 2015 21:53:47 AEST PM »

If you read former claims for such old, almost forgotten TR/IB  technology, it was alike as for ZED:

False for heavy mineralization, but  pretty true for mild soil (if properly tuned).

And cheaper by factor 100.

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday May 23 2015 09:16:14 AEST AM »

  
To comforting Bilbo: next year will be out GPX8000, worth $16,000.00, with promise 24 years only to pay off.

99% of gpz 7000 users will never pay it off unless the price of lead shotgun pellets goes through the roof!!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday May 23 2015 23:35:47 AEST PM »

I think it should be more like 99.9% of GPZ users will never come close to making their money back, there is zero difference between using a gpx and equivalent DD coil and in most cases a mono on a gpx of the same size will go just as deep on larger gold. In the right set of circumstances a gpx will find gold the gpz has missed on an untouched patch. This has been proven by prospectors that have a bit of experience and have carried out appropriate testing.
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday June 7 2015 22:24:10 AEST PM »

  
It will take 29 years to pay off my GPZ 7000!
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“Paid $10,700.00. Used for 3 weeks. Found $350.00 bucks worth. Biggest piece = 1.2 grammes”.
  
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If we are to BELIEVE AraratGold he has now said he has paid for his 7000 twice over with the amount of gold it has found and others could be doing the same and like him are keeping quiet about their big finds as well.

Apparently he is saying Bilbo must have a DUD one which would be hard to accept after outlaying 10 + grand although he does say Bilbo could be doing something wrong which may be of some comfort.  
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« Reply #9 on: Monday June 8 2015 10:12:58 AEST AM »

  
  
It will take 29 years to pay off my GPZ 7000!
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“Paid $10,700.00. Used for 3 weeks. Found $350.00 bucks worth. Biggest piece = 1.2 grammes”.
  
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If we are to BELIEVE AraratGold he has now said he has paid for his 7000 twice over with the amount of gold it has found and others could be doing the same and like him are keeping quiet about their big finds as well.

Apparently he is saying Bilbo must have a DUD one which would be hard to accept after outlaying 10 + grand although he does say Bilbo could be doing something wrong which may be of some comfort.  

Firstly Rick is an ex ML dealer! Birds of a feather stick together! I am told that he and his partner detect  quite a few times  a week and have access to some lightly detected private property  at Ararat. So to a large extent it seems he is detecting virgin ground where other Pi detectors would  I expect find just as much gold! So without comparisons between detectors on undug targets his post is largely meaningless and  also we don't have any way of independently verifying his claims!
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« Reply #10 on: Monday June 8 2015 10:58:39 AEST AM »

  
So without comparisons between detectors on undug targets his post is largely meaningless and  also we don't have any way of independently verifying his claims!
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As I recall there was a comparison test result displayed on this forum although not on undug targets but as I believe was over a purpose built angled hole into mineralised ground to lower targets down to various depths.
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« Reply #11 on: Monday June 8 2015 11:02:07 AEST AM »

  
  
So without comparisons between detectors on undug targets his post is largely meaningless and  also we don't have any way of independently verifying his claims!
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As I recall there was a comparison test result displayed on this forum although not on undug targets but as I believe was over a purpose built angled hole into mineralised ground to lower targets down to various depths.

Yes that's correct. It is a  plastic pipe angled at 45 deg so that the vertical depth can easily be calculated. smile
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« Reply #12 on: Monday June 8 2015 14:22:25 AEST PM »

I see ML have now requested an Air Test result from a owner of a GPZ that is having problems to verify if his GPZ is up to specifications.



 
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« Reply #13 on: Monday June 8 2015 16:39:56 AEST PM »

  
I see ML have now requested an Air Test result from a owner of a GPZ that is having problems to verify if his GPZ is up to specifications.

For $10,700 EVERY 7000 should be assembled and comprehensively tested to see that it conforms to specifications!!!
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« Reply #14 on: Monday June 8 2015 18:59:52 AEST PM »

 see also:   
"Please explain, minelab had plenty of correspondance from me both written and over the phone, and never spoke about offering a refund, I would have taken it after the first week"
“Given the number of Zed owners that I have heard of quickly selling their 7000 after purchase, it makes me wonder how long it will be before Minlab realise that they have to fix some of the identified problems.”
   "Unless the world lead price explodes few if any 7000's will pay for themselves!"
"Had expectations when I got my 7000 that I would clean up over a couple of old patches. Well, didn't quite happen on one...got about 7 tiny bird shot on a very shallow patch that 4500 and 5000 detectors had flogged"
   1/2 wit and his  pathetic sewer "forum" of liars and misfits are a shameful disgrace!
"BTW - the SDC2300 is a killer. Everyone's showing me heaps. The 7000 on the other hand,,,,,,,,,,,,,,couldn't find its own arse with a map and a compass!"
“The 7000 is the biggest heap of smelly dogshit that ML have ever produced. I'll put some very revealing figures on here soon that will tell you that a 5000 in "normal" with an 11 inch ML mono on was as good as my 7000 and even beat it one test. I dread to think how much better the 5000 would be if I put an 18 inch mono on and then tested against the 7000!! I reckon a 5000 with a 14 inch CT Elite will easily cream the 7000 - or at least it will beat the one that I own!”
  

No doubt this will stir up the derelicts and liars on a certain "forum" Rolling on the floor laughing! BS who writes this crap?!It may even help the derelicts " forum" don't feed the trolls LOL Thumbs down sick to survive!!
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« Reply #15 on: Monday June 8 2015 19:22:34 AEST PM »

  
see also:   
"Please explain, minelab had plenty of correspondance from me both written and over the phone, and never spoke about offering a refund, I would have taken it after the first week"
“Given the number of Zed owners that I have heard of quickly selling their 7000 after purchase, it makes me wonder how long it will be before Minlab realise that they have to fix some of the identified problems.”
   "Unless the world lead price explodes few if any 7000's will pay for themselves!"
"Had expectations when I got my 7000 that I would clean up over a couple of old patches. Well, didn't quite happen on one...got about 7 tiny bird shot on a very shallow patch that 4500 and 5000 detectors had flogged"
   1/2 wit and his  pathetic sewer "forum" of liars and misfits are a shameful disgrace!
"BTW - the SDC2300 is a killer. Everyone's showing me heaps. The 7000 on the other hand,,,,,,,,,,,,,,couldn't find its own arse with a map and a compass!"
“The 7000 is the biggest heap of smelly dogshit that ML have ever produced. I'll put some very revealing figures on here soon that will tell you that a 5000 in "normal" with an 11 inch ML mono on was as good as my 7000 and even beat it one test. I dread to think how much better the 5000 would be if I put an 18 inch mono on and then tested against the 7000!! I reckon a 5000 with a 14 inch CT Elite will easily cream the 7000 - or at least it will beat the one that I own!”
  

No doubt this will stir up the derelicts and liars on a certain "forum" Rolling on the floor laughing! BS who writes this crap?!It may even help the derelicts " forum" don't feed the trolls LOL Thumbs down sick to survive!!
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It did not take "groinrash" long to respond! I wonder how long it will take for "Mr walker" and some other derelicts to respond on the derelicts and liars "forum"? Poor buggers nothing they can do here! Only post their puerile rants and lies on other forums!
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« Reply #16 on: Monday June 8 2015 19:30:44 AEST PM »

  
Apparently he is saying Bilbo must have a DUD one which would be hard to accept after outlaying 10 + grand although he does say Bilbo could be doing something wrong which may be of some comfort.  

You would think that knowing the creditability and experience and forum  following of Bilbo that ML and a dealer would make absolutely  certain that he got  a fully functional 7000 and was given specific, detailed instructions about setting it up and using it over his WA ground! Maybe they forgot the ferrite ring?
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