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Title: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Tuesday May 28 2019 13:10:39 AEST PM
https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/3022-qed-review/
link-https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/3022-qed-review/
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Tuesday May 28 2019 15:16:44 AEST PM
 Nowhere in this review can i find the  results (depth etc) of the alleged testing of the QED with various sized nuggets and how these tests compared with the SAD7000 on the same nuggets. The only published depth comparison  was using a 5 cent coin!!! ::620:: I wonder why?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday May 28 2019 16:41:22 AEST PM
  
Nowhere in this review can i find the  results (depth etc) of the alleged testing of the QED with various sized nuggets and how these tests compared with the SAD7000 on the same nuggets. The only published depth comparison  was using a 5 cent coin!!! ::620:: I wonder why?
doug ::419::

Study the paragraph that starts with..... "For the sake of completion...."
Why were they reluctant to provide actual detection distance figures? Surely a product that costs over $9000 would have very strict quality control and final testing to ensure that it's performance was within rock solid limits.

Notice also the statement:
"we are not prepared to give exact figures to avoid any trivial arguments"

I suggest that major variations between detectors is NOT a "trivial argument"


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Tuesday May 28 2019 17:39:29 AEST PM
  
  
Nowhere in this review can i find the  results (depth etc) of the alleged testing of the QED with various sized nuggets and how these tests compared with the SAD7000 on the same nuggets. The only published depth comparison  was using a 5 cent coin!!! ::620:: I wonder why?
doug ::419::

Study the paragraph that starts with..... "For the sake of completion...."
Why were they reluctant to provide actual detection distance figures? Surely a product that costs over $9000 would have very strict quality control and final testing to ensure that it's performance was within rock solid limits.

Notice also the statement:
"we are not prepared to give exact figures to avoid any trivial arguments"

I suggest that major variations between detectors is NOT a "trivial argument"

"we are not prepared to give exact figures to avoid any trivial arguments"
 Maybe the  detector that costs 6X as much as the QED  did not perform as well on  nuggets as the 5 cent coin and Jp's masters told him not to post actual results on gold nuggets to avoid embarrassment?After all at the CT test site the SAD7000 cannot detect the last deep target  ::16 :: whereas the QED can!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Tuesday May 28 2019 18:36:12 AEST PM
Doug, “SAD7000”, really?

Com’on guys, rise above it.

Myself as a newbie to detecting has had a hard time trying to decipher bullshit from the facts with the QED. So what if the review is biased, if thats what you think it is. Attitudes of some supporters of the QED are doing more harm than reviews like that of JP with their childish behaviour and put downs. Has the updates improved some of the concerns JP mentions?

If you think a better comparison can be achieved, surely you know someone professional enough to run the detectors and someone able to put together some decent videos. Ive looked but yet to see anything put together. Marketing is everything...almost but so crucial.

To a neutral newbie looking to buy the QED in the not too distant future, it certainly hasnt been presented well.

Cheers.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday May 28 2019 18:59:26 AEST PM
The link below has comparison videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCRTukijBOTackaon2JwImQ/featured

Re the marketing, a good product at a realistic price doesn't need spin doctors.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Tuesday May 28 2019 20:11:50 AEST PM
  
Has the updates improved some of the concerns JP mentions?
Cheers.
"Note that the effective principal threshold control (Bias) is temperature dependent and requires reasonably frequent adjustment over time as the ambient temperature changes to get best results. Therefore there is NO actual specific optimal Bias number setting, rather it entirely depends on temperature. It can be as high as 70 in very hot conditions"

Yes! eg the temperature variation mentioned above by JP has been rectified.Bw has also been working on other potential software updates which i cannot elaborate on at this time because they have yet to be field tested. So the QED [email protected] continues as well as  a possible entirely new type of coil for the QED and GPX which again i cannot elaborate further on at this time but stay tuned.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Tuesday May 28 2019 20:30:37 AEST PM
  
  
Has the updates improved some of the concerns JP mentions?
Cheers.
"Note that the effective principal threshold control (Bias) is temperature dependent and requires reasonably frequent adjustment over time as the ambient temperature changes to get best results. Therefore there is NO actual specific optimal Bias number setting, rather it entirely depends on temperature. It can be as high as 70 in very hot conditions"

Yes! eg the temperature variation mentioned above by JP has been rectified.Bw has also been working on other potential software updates which i cannot elaborate on at this time because they have yet to be field tested. So the QED [email protected] continues as well as  a possible entirely new type of coil for the QED and GPX which again i cannot elaborate further on at this time but stay tuned.
doug ::419::

The other thing that JP failed to appreciate with the QED is that  the class D audio is most sensitive to changes in pitch and very small nuggets or very deep ones on the very limit of detection depth may only give a very small change of pitch.The human ear is more sensitive to changes of pitch than vol.JP does also not  report in any detail on  use the  of very big mono's on the QED which will give enormous depth on large targets. Reg i think has used a 36"mono on the QED i believe.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Reg Wilson on Tuesday May 28 2019 21:06:06 AEST PM
  
The link below has comparison videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCRTukijBOTackaon2JwImQ/featured

Re the marketing, a good product at a realistic price doesn't need spin doctors.

Blip, I sold my GPZ for a number of reasons, but you make up your own mind. There's no skin off my nose regardless of what detector you buy, as I have no shares in QED. I use it because it suits my style of prospecting. My record of finding gold speaks for itself.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Tuesday May 28 2019 21:52:31 AEST PM
  
The link below has comparison videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCRTukijBOTackaon2JwImQ/featured

Re the marketing, a good product at a realistic price doesn't need spin doctors.


Bug, they wouldnt be spin doctors. Isnt that what you would see JP as with his review?

A good product at a realistic price would be better represented by marketing than some posters doing damage to said good product at a realistic price.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Tuesday May 28 2019 22:05:27 AEST PM
  
  
The link below has comparison videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCRTukijBOTackaon2JwImQ/featured

Re the marketing, a good product at a realistic price doesn't need spin doctors.

Blip, I sold my GPZ for a number of reasons, but you make up your own mind. There's no skin off my nose regardless of what detector you buy, as I have no shares in QED. I use it because it suits my style of prospecting. My record of finding gold speaks for itself.

Reg, to make up my own mind as to why you sold your GPZ would only be an assumption on my part.

I know there would be “no skin off your nose regardless of what detectori buy” Reg. Ive read enough of your posts and PM’s to determine that.

Your success is well documented and certainly not questioned by me, so i feel you may have been insulted by something i may have said? I hope not.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Tuesday May 28 2019 22:08:14 AEST PM
Guys, dont take me the wrong way. Im not having a dig. Im not trying to tell you how to go about things. Just observations by a prospective buyer.

Since my post i read this post on another forum re the QED. It reflects mine and obviously others.


“Closely looking at purchasing one as looks good bang for buck amongst others available in same price range but struggling with the angst that appears to surround it though. Have to agree with Kon in that its sad one has to wade thru pages of muck raking whenever trying to gain information on the unit. There are a few that heavily endorse the machine that I'm not sure I'd really want if I was the maker, as for me the manner in which they do it I find very off putting to say the least. I don't really want to know who has the biggest what ever Laughing just does it work and find gold. Thanks again for the video Mr Ararat and would love to see it against an equinox or similar price unit.”

Cheers guys.

Al.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Tuesday May 28 2019 22:24:02 AEST PM
  
Guys, dont take me the wrong way. Im not having a dig. Im not trying to tell you how to go about things. Just observations by a prospective buyer.

Since my post i read this post on another forum re the QED. It reflects mine and obviously others.


“Closely looking at purchasing one as looks good bang for buck amongst others available in same price range but struggling with the angst that appears to surround it though. Have to agree with Kon in that its sad one has to wade thru pages of muck raking whenever trying to gain information on the unit. There are a few that heavily endorse the machine that I'm not sure I'd really want if I was the maker, as for me the manner in which they do it I find very off putting to say the least. I don't really want to know who has the biggest what ever Laughing just does it work and find gold. Thanks again for the video Mr Ararat and would love to see it against an equinox or similar price unit.”

Cheers guys.

Al.

 I don't agree that their is a lot of muck racking but each to his own. But the fact is that only on this forum can you directly speak to the designer,software engineer and manufacturer of the  QED as well as getting  many useful tips on use from people like Reg and Goldman and others who have NO pecuniary  interest  in the QED.As the QED is hand made the production rate is limited and if because of the "marketing" a few potential purchases are put off  i doubt that BW will be too concerned.
just my opinion,
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Goldman on Tuesday May 28 2019 22:34:52 AEST PM
Ok, so I’m now back from my trip to Sydney and hasn’t a lot happened since last Thursday.

Like Reg, I too pensioned off my minelab (GPX) once I purchased my QED, now more than 2 years ago and have used it exclusively ever since.

I have proven to myself that it matches my GPX in all departments so I now benefit from the QED’s superior ergonomics, low weight and I’m no longer tethered to my detector via the curly battery lead which makes a considerable difference when detecting for long periods. I do use a bungee when using large coils.

I agree that there has been significant negative hype about the QED by many of whom I suggest have never used a QED, so it must be difficult for potential QED owners to sort the wheat from the chaff.

The videos on YouTube that we put together were not put downs of the other brand, but were done to seriously show people how the QED directly compares against the other brand, which I believe they do. We are not world class cinematographers, but simply let the video results do the talking.

This forum is unique in that people can ask the inventor and manufacturer of the QED questions and get answers straight from the person that knows everything about the QED, no other forum can make that claim.

There is no doubt that the (positive) message is getting out there and that the QED is gaining traction amongst the prospecting community.

Cheers Goldman


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Tuesday May 28 2019 22:47:14 AEST PM
 A moderator on another forum has a QED and so far seems very happy with it and has said that he intends to post some detailed reviews.
So their are alternative warts and all independent  reviews  on at least 2 other forums for potential buyers to make  informed choices.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Reg Wilson on Tuesday May 28 2019 23:13:40 AEST PM
  
  
  
The link below has comparison videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCRTukijBOTackaon2JwImQ/featured

Re the marketing, a good product at a realistic price doesn't need spin doctors.

Blip, I sold my GPZ for a number of reasons, but you make up your own mind. There's no skin off my nose regardless of what detector you buy, as I have no shares in QED. I use it because it suits my style of prospecting. My record of finding gold speaks for itself.

Reg, to make up my own mind as to why you sold your GPZ would only be an assumption on my part.

I know there would be “no skin off your nose regardless of what detectori buy” Reg. Ive read enough of your posts and PM’s to determine that.

Your success is well documented and certainly not questioned by me, so i feel you may have been insulted by something i may have said? I hope not.
Blip you have not offended me at all. Far from it. As I said, you make up your own mind. I sold my GPZ because I found a detector that suited me better. Simple. The majority of the gold I found with the GPZ (the best bit being over 27ozs) could have been found with a much less expensive detector. Being in the right place was more important than using the worlds most expensive PI. You might possibly realize this yourself some day.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: sd220d Digger on Tuesday May 28 2019 23:25:34 AEST PM
  
Guys, dont take me the wrong way. Im not having a dig. Im not trying to tell you how to go about things. Just observations by a prospective buyer.

Since my post i read this post on another forum re the QED. It reflects mine and obviously others.


“Closely looking at purchasing one as looks good bang for buck amongst others available in same price range but struggling with the angst that appears to surround it though. Have to agree with Kon in that its sad one has to wade thru pages of muck raking whenever trying to gain information on the unit. There are a few that heavily endorse the machine that I'm not sure I'd really want if I was the maker, as for me the manner in which they do it I find very off putting to say the least. I don't really want to know who has the biggest what ever Laughing just does it work and find gold. Thanks again for the video Mr Ararat and would love to see it against an equinox or similar price unit.”

Cheers guys.

Al.

Blip.
You come out to be very well knowledgeable, that is way beyond your "newby " description.


 ::67::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Wednesday May 29 2019 08:51:58 AEST AM
  
  
Guys, dont take me the wrong way. Im not having a dig. Im not trying to tell you how to go about things. Just observations by a prospective buyer.

Since my post i read this post on another forum re the QED. It reflects mine and obviously others.


“Closely looking at purchasing one as looks good bang for buck amongst others available in same price range but struggling with the angst that appears to surround it though. Have to agree with Kon in that its sad one has to wade thru pages of muck raking whenever trying to gain information on the unit. There are a few that heavily endorse the machine that I'm not sure I'd really want if I was the maker, as for me the manner in which they do it I find very off putting to say the least. I don't really want to know who has the biggest what ever Laughing just does it work and find gold. Thanks again for the video Mr Ararat and would love to see it against an equinox or similar price unit.”

Cheers guys.

Al.

Blip.
You come out to be very well knowledgeable, that is way beyond your "newby " description.


 ::67::


Thanks mate. At this stage all i have is a counterfeit Gold Bug Pro (yeah i know!) but I have since learnt through research i need a decent PI.

I read, read and read, study maps etc. Still, there is nothing like hands on for experience. For years ive walked the dogs in old diggings. I still do. We are lucky as i have beautiful bush here (Beechworth).


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Wednesday May 29 2019 09:03:18 AEST AM
Guys, thanks for the feedback. To see the likes of the detectors mentioned sold in favour of this detector is inspiring. Hopefully a QED in the not too distant future.

Cheers.

Al.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Wednesday May 29 2019 09:54:10 AEST AM
  
all i have is a counterfeit Gold Bug Pro
Sorry to hear this.I hope you do get a Pi or a suitable VLF. If you do decide to get a QED you always know that you are only a phone call away from talking with  the person that designed and builds the QED's in  Ballarat. I don;t know of any other detector that you can do this with.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Wednesday May 29 2019 10:14:36 AEST AM
  
  
all i have is a counterfeit Gold Bug Pro
Sorry to hear this.I hope you do get a Pi or a suitable VLF. If you do decide to get a QED you always know that you are only a phone call away from talking with  the person that designed and builds the QED's in  Ballarat. I don;t know of any other detector that you can do this with.
doug ::419::

Doug, it worked ok. Even before I received it someone else pointed it out to me. I notified the seller of such and had a refund, all this prior to receiving it! I have a Nel Sniper on its way for it. Still, it struggles in the ground at Beechworth.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Saturday June 1 2019 14:09:46 AEST PM
Well guys i bought one!

I bought a used PL2 off Cary Gray.

Im very much looking forward to swinging this unit.

Cheers.

Al.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday June 1 2019 14:16:46 AEST PM
Sending you a PM Blip.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Doug on Saturday June 1 2019 16:28:04 AEST PM
  
Well guys i bought one!

I bought a used PL2 off Cary Gray.

Im very much looking forward to swinging this unit.

Cheers.

Al.

Look forward to seeing your finds! I hope you have a good pick!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Saturday June 1 2019 19:01:20 AEST PM
Im hangin out Doug. Cant wait mate.

Howard, did you get my responses? I dont get notification that you did....that i could see!


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday June 2 2019 07:06:13 AEST AM
  
Im hangin out Doug. Cant wait mate.

Howard, did you get my responses? I dont get notification that you did....that i could see!

Yes I did, holler if you need a hand.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: dasenator777 on Sunday June 2 2019 08:02:33 AEST AM
great to see all these new owners signing up bugs gotta be stoked with that mate.  ::62::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: dasenator777 on Sunday June 2 2019 08:11:06 AEST AM
heading out with the 20 inch mono this morning with another bloke thats interested in a qed, main reason i bought the 2nd qed pl2.  going out to private property aint been there for 15 yrs or any one else, should be a good day. just downloaded chisels last stand for the trip out, too bad if he dont like it, he can ride in back of ute lol  ::10 ::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Sunday June 2 2019 08:17:59 AEST AM
Well it is a second hand unit which doesnt help Bugs much but i would have really liked a new unit. Being out of work due to health issues and not being a ‘doler’ makes the budget tight.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday June 2 2019 09:34:42 AEST AM
  
great to see all these new owners signing up bugs gotta be stoked with that mate.  ::62::


The more the merrier. There is plenty of help available to the newbies starting out.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: phrunt on Sunday June 2 2019 19:00:57 AEST PM
I'm also new to this forum and soon to be proud owner of a QED, I had never ventured outside of Detectorprospector forums but discovered this is the go to place for reliable QED information so I signed up.  Thanks Howard for your efforts in the bringing the QED to us all, competition was desperately needed and for you to make a product that can compete with the big boy in the game is remarkable.   I am confident I will have my first QED gold very soon.

I have tacked on more information on JP's QED review on Detectorprospector as I found his review was making the QED sound very difficult to use which it is clearly not.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: dasenator777 on Sunday June 2 2019 19:21:38 AEST PM
nothing today got rained out only ended up with half hr on the ground. weather came in quick and earlier than predicted. went mud bashin on way home. hopeuly another new qed owner on here soon. ::62::


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Sunday June 2 2019 22:57:13 AEST PM
Welcome Simon,

Now, I couldnt let you get a QED before i did!   ::419::

I agree those vids do make it a little easier to learn the setup.

Al.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: phrunt on Monday June 3 2019 05:15:59 AEST AM
  
Welcome Simon,

Now, I couldnt let you get a QED before i did!   ::419::

I agree those vids do make it a little easier to learn the setup.

Al.

Thanks :) now the race will be on to see which one of us gets the first gold with one! You'll get a head start as you'll get yours first!   I'm rather excited to test my 12x6" X-Coil prototype on it.  With the QED sensitivity to small gold combined with that coil and it's combination of flat and bundle windings it might be a real little gold hoover in our mild soils here.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Monday June 3 2019 09:40:53 AEST AM
Id say you have won that one already mate. It will be more of a learning curve for me. It would be nice to think i could produce something my first time out. We shall see!

Guys, Simon has been most instrumental in my learning of detecting. He Has been immensely helpful in educating me in the the month or so of my detecting so with him having a QED it will be absolutely awesome!

Al.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Monday June 3 2019 14:21:55 AEST PM
The Gold Bug Pro just made an absolute racket yesty so was basically useless.

So this arvo ill take out the QED that has arrived.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: 6666 on Monday June 3 2019 21:47:10 AEST PM
Could you tell us about the 12x6" X-Coil prototype ?  thanks


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Blip on Tuesday June 4 2019 09:38:52 AEST AM
Howard, the Youtube videos linked through the digital manual is just brilliant. Makes things so much clearer. Top idea.


Title: Re: JP's QED review,February 11, 2017
Post by: Goldman on Tuesday June 4 2019 11:28:32 AEST AM
Hi everyone,
I have split the ‘JP review” post as I believe the xcoil discussion has moved away from the original intent of the post and that I believe the discussion re the xcoils deserves a thread in its own right.

Cheers Goldman