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« on: Saturday September 3 2016 07:37:36 AEST AM »

Well done Neville, looking after your fellow prospectors and naive newbies !

  

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« Reply #1 on: Monday September 5 2016 15:01:51 AEST PM »

Follow the Publicity to the Gold

GG&T 1995 (extract sent to me by a friend) quoted a manufacturer offering at least 3x times deeper (for a 1oz nugget, typically found at 10-12” with the technology of the day). Therefore prospectors could expect 30" + depth for same nugget.

AND we should also accept that it was appropriate “to relate (lab) air tests to realistic in-ground tests”.

Then with new models, a 15% improvement was claimed for nuggets over 5 gram.
So a 1 oz should be detectable at 35+”?

Then, upgradng to latest, expect a 25-30% increase in depth (1 oz at 43”?).

Then lately we have “up to 40% improvement” in depth.

Where is this chase for depth leading? Well depends who you are. Some feel they are leaving gold in ground for others (with deeper pockets) to find. If you are a lemming (a blind believer or follower of others) it could lead you to your hip pocket, to find, spend and upgrade every year or three. Thats the intended outcome.

Whats the reality?

Few criticise the performance of their products (high cost, weight, poor design, bad ergonomics etc etc excepted). But many have critcised the promises, publicity & profiteering machine and the ethics driving their profits.

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« Reply #2 on: Monday September 5 2016 15:31:23 AEST PM »

I am still waiting for an experienced GPZ 7000 owner to contact me for comparative testing. I would have thought there would be at least one person that would jump at the opportunity.
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« Reply #3 on: Monday September 5 2016 15:44:28 AEST PM »

Here is the ~1oz Test Nugget, solid... well suited to the test.


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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 09:08:35 AEST AM »

  

I am still waiting for an experienced GPZ 7000 owner to contact me for comparative testing. I would have thought there would be at least one person that would jump at the opportunity.


You would think so! Here is one (of many) point of view on this:

"After all the noise made on here (6/4 forum) about the QED, when an offer comes up to run a test against it, the silence is deafening." (yellowfin)

A comparison would involve testing as well as a comparison of its features I would hope / expect .... weight, ergonomics, typical cost, battery and battery life, ease of use, match to top range coils etc  good luck

A range of nugget sizes (targets) would also be good. You could throw in a lead pellet as they are often quoted. Perhaps a comparison with a 5000 would be better if the 7000 was a no show.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 09:52:56 AEST AM »

  
  

I am still waiting for an experienced GPZ 7000 owner to contact me for comparative testing. I would have thought there would be at least one person that would jump at the opportunity.


You would think so! Here is one (of many) point of view on this:

"After all the noise made on here (6/4 forum) about the QED, when an offer comes up to run a test against it, the silence is deafening." (yellowfin)

A comparison would involve testing as well as a comparison of its features I would hope / expect .... weight, ergonomics, typical cost, battery and battery life, ease of use, match to top range coils etc  good luck

A range of nugget sizes (targets) would also be good. You could throw in a lead pellet as they are often quoted. Perhaps a comparison with a 5000 would be better if the 7000 was a no show.

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The fact that a number of very long term  and very successful prospectors have tried the SAD7000 and rejected it favor of their current 4500/5000 with evo coils says it all. One of many reasons for this is that they can cover 5-6X as much ground with a GPX and a mono compared to the SAD7000 which must be scanned at 1/2 snails pace if many deeper targets are not to be missed. The woeful pinpointing of the SAD7000 also  means targets take longer to recover than with say a gpx/mono.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 12:20:35 AEST PM »

  



The fact that a number of very long term  and very successful prospectors have tried the SAD7000 and rejected it favor of their current 4500/5000 with evo coils says it all. One of many reasons for this is that they can cover 5-6X as much ground with a GPX and a mono compared to the SAD7000 which must be scanned at 1/2 snails pace if many deeper targets are not to be missed. The woeful pinpointing of the SAD7000 also  means targets take longer to recover than with say a gpx/mono.
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  Doug then get someone on this forum to come and test their 4500 or 5000 against the QED.  Might get some takers then.
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 12:51:36 AEST PM »

  
  



The fact that a number of very long term  and very successful prospectors have tried the SAD7000 and rejected it favor of their current 4500/5000 with evo coils says it all. One of many reasons for this is that they can cover 5-6X as much ground with a GPX and a mono compared to the SAD7000 which must be scanned at 1/2 snails pace if many deeper targets are not to be missed. The woeful pinpointing of the SAD7000 also  means targets take longer to recover than with say a gpx/mono.
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  Doug then get someone on this forum to come and test their 4500 or 5000 against the QED.  Might get some takers then.

Its already been done years ago with a very early QED (on u tube i believe) and repeated again recently!
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 12:54:32 AEST PM »

  
  



The fact that a number of very long term  and very successful prospectors have tried the SAD7000 and rejected it favor of their current 4500/5000 with evo coils says it all. One of many reasons for this is that they can cover 5-6X as much ground with a GPX and a mono compared to the SAD7000 which must be scanned at 1/2 snails pace if many deeper targets are not to be missed. The woeful pinpointing of the SAD7000 also  means targets take longer to recover than with say a gpx/mono.
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  Doug then get someone on this forum to come and test their 4500 or 5000 against the QED.  Might get some takers then.

So i have not banned you as some on the pox and abomination and liars "forum" would have us believe!!
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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 15:00:08 AEST PM »

If shotgun pellets were worth a lot of money then some SAD 7000  users would be making a fortune!!!    Same applies to burnt tree roots, clay domes and conductive ground! 
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 16:11:59 AEST PM »

 For the shotgun pellet  hunters and collectors the sdc2300 is a better choice than the SAD7000! Rolling on the floor laughing! Rolling on the floor laughing!
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday September 6 2016 22:24:48 AEST PM »

  
For the shotgun pellet  hunters and collectors the sdc2300 is a better choice than the SAD7000! Rolling on the floor laughing! Rolling on the floor laughing!
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If you don't like hunting for shotgun pellets, tree roots, clay domes , charcoal or conductive soils with your SAD7000 then you can always hunt for micro historic relics like old boot tacks,wire, needles,bits of rusted steel etc and for this  privilege it will only cost you about $10k  CRY shocking and  perhaps a SAD 7000 elbow  or shoulder or back problems if you are tall!
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday September 7 2016 13:47:54 AEST PM »

  

So i have not banned you as some on the pox and abomination and liars "forum" would have us believe!!
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Ban a Billy??
Nar, here (in Australia) we usually "BOIL A BILLY"    (look it up Billy, its a figure of speech)

'Heat not a furnace for your foe so hot that it do singe yourself’ (Shakespeare)

Pass me another hot crumpet Bugs, the new mix looks good!  smile

The  S L O W  education of 0.543 continues …… without big words.

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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday September 7 2016 14:26:16 AEST PM »

  
  
For the shotgun pellet  hunters and collectors the sdc2300 is a better choice than the SAD7000!
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If you don't like hunting for shotgun pellets, tree roots, clay domes , charcoal or conductive soils with your SAD7000 then you can always hunt for micro historic relics like old boot tacks,wire, needles,bits of rusted steel etc and for this  privilege it will only cost you about $10k  and  perhaps a SAD 7000 elbow  or shoulder or back problems if you are tall!
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Do you mean to say that modern expensive detectors are so senstive now that they can find conductive bodies, historic relics & almost ANY metals in any size or form?   scared

From what you read elsewhere & in advertising I thought they were "gold detectors" for "hoovering" (as some called it) those tiny bits left to excite the easily excitable. But if they also find pellets, roots, clay and charcoal they are much more, and have much wider application.  smile

You forgot to mention modern rubbish too Doug, pull tabs, bullets, 0.22 & .303 shells, aluminium wrappers, coins (have found a few of these too) as well as cultery scissors and metal dish ornaments. Scrap metal detection tools, and more. So versatile!  

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday September 8 2016 09:30:54 AEST AM »

That is good info Huego.  If I ever go looking for gold again I guess I could use a beach detector or even a relic detector and it would be as good as a gold detector at finding gold.  Thanks again!  I would save a bunch of money. 

  What is the QED's main use meant to be?  Beach?  Gold?  Or relic hunting?
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« Reply #15 on: Thursday September 8 2016 10:15:21 AEST AM »

  

That is good info Huego.  If I ever go looking for gold again I guess I could use a beach detector or even a relic detector and it would be as good as a gold detector at finding gold.  Thanks again!  I would save a bunch of money.  

  What is the QED's main use meant to be?  Beach?  Gold?  Or relic hunting?



I wouldnt use a beach detector in our hot ground Billy, but I guess you (secretly) know that.

My message is what is called tongue-in-cheek (touch of sarcasm for the denigrators). I dont know anything about metal hunting on a beach, but you probably do. PI like the QED & 5000 work best in hot ground I believe.

Its not what you are targeting (coins or gold, on beach or bush) but rather what you will find using a metal detector that describes what it does. Finds lots of metallic rubbish as well as occasional gold! According to Doug lots of non-metallic targets too. Depends on the gold fields you work in - many have been worked over heavily by the old timers. Its about target ratios and to some degree experience working in goldfields. Most of us will dig all signals.

I have only used an early QED in the bush (one afternoon) many years ago so dont know how adaptable the New QED is to beach and bush.  Bugs may comment if he wishes.

Cant wait to see how good the QED it is in comparative testing eh? Few have courage to do comparartive testing.
Any predictions Billy? My guess is …. oh oh better not.  smile

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« Reply #16 on: Friday September 9 2016 07:23:46 AEST AM »

In the press today;

  

Note the comment from Mr Kendall.

“Apart from the legal aspects of being a publicly-listed company, and having to comply with laws about proper process regarding what we say publicly, releasing a fake find is just something that we wouldn’t do ethically,” said Mr Kendall.

Where are these "ethics" in this?
  


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« Reply #17 on: Friday September 9 2016 09:01:27 AEST AM »

  

I wouldnt use a beach detector in our hot ground Billy, but I guess you (secretly) know that.

My message is what is called tongue-in-cheek (touch of sarcasm for the denigrators). I dont know anything about metal hunting on a beach, but you probably do. PI like the QED & 5000 work best in hot ground I believe.

Its not what you are targeting (coins or gold, on beach or bush) but rather what you will find using a metal detector that describes what it does. Finds lots of metallic rubbish as well as occasional gold! According to Doug lots of non-metallic targets too. Depends on the gold fields you work in - many have been worked over heavily by the old timers. Its about target ratios and to some degree experience working in goldfields. Most of us will dig all signals.

I have only used an early QED in the bush (one afternoon) many years ago so dont know how adaptable the New QED is to beach and bush.  Bugs may comment if he wishes.

Cant wait to see how good the QED it is in comparative testing eh? Few have courage to do comparartive testing.
Any predictions Billy? My guess is …. oh oh better not.  smile

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  You are one strange person Huego.  I would love to see you have a QED and give a report about it.
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« Reply #18 on: Friday September 9 2016 09:56:05 AEST AM »

  

In the press today;

  

Note the comment from Mr Kendall.

“Apart from the legal aspects of being a publicly-listed company, and having to comply with laws about proper process regarding what we say publicly, releasing a fake find is just something that we wouldn’t do ethically,” said Mr Kendall.

Where are these "ethics" in this?
  


The comments below that advertorial say it all ....

"This is the typical marketing spin, propaganda and bullshayzer required to sell  (the latest product).. for $10700. ...."

It seems it is written not to inform BUT to deceive - even when exposed, it remains uncorrected. I cant see how it can be taken seriously by readers. When the advertisers talk about "ethics" you know the shizer is raining down & we will be wading through it. That word "ethics" & that company just don't work... its all about profits at the cost of ethics.

Wouldn't we all love to see Gruen, or one of the Consumer shows, examine their advertising, promotion & selling practices?  They would have a ball and we would all have a laugh. 

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« Reply #19 on: Friday September 9 2016 09:59:38 AEST AM »

  

  You are one strange person Huego.  I would love to see you have a QED and give a report about it.


Why is that Billy?  Please tell me / us more    good luck

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