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« on: Wednesday December 21 2016 14:39:29 AEDT PM »

Political Poetry from JP defending ML Products

Can't help but compare the recent products & claims from ML & JP with those about the QED.
A few highlights from a 4umer locked thread below, featuring the usual & JP:

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Why would the advice of their chief tester & public figurehead (JP) be totally ignored ...(quoting Reg)

Why then did JP go ahead & endorse a product JP openly admitted had a number of aspects that he hates? (Reg)

How come Minelab have such little regard for your opinion JP? (Reg)



Good questions about JPs ego, posts & credibility, & MLs non-accountability  
How come JP, as MLs mouthpiece, knocked the QED so much during its development on all the forums in Aust & US that he could? Was it because it was REAL competition?
How come JP knocked the QED without having a shred of evidence about its claimed superior IP & performance?
How come the QEDs release was delayed by unethical practices, even without showing it did not breach others IP?

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..malcontents prefer to sit around flinging poop at Minelab rather than be accountable for their unrealistic expectations ..(JP)

... Unrealistic expectations (of the 19" & Zed) &  ... a hysterical cluster-fest of Minelab bashing (JP)

OMG … really? over there? Its not fair is it?

There are MALCONTENTS around alright, even among many ML users! But is it deserved?  
JPs business politics & one-sided nature is astounding while all the while promoting these products on posts for private sales.

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... constant negativity displayed here by forum members... (JP)

… Negativity is infectious, it destroys your own confidence but even worse it destroys the confidence of those around you. (JP)



If so, why was the negativity aimed at QED for so long? Was it to destroy Bugs' confidence? I think so!
Were delays / barriers to release unjustified? Are / were the claims made of the QED exaggereated or untrue?

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The whole argument "stems from Minelab NOT delivering on the promise of a big difference between the 14" & 19" coils..(SP)
People were expecting the new coil at  $1800 or even $1300 to really "open up the goldfields again”... it hasn't happened. (SP)



With the status quo,

....  its about false & broken promises (one's that can't be explained by JP or excused)
..... about claims that cant or havent been justified &
..... about poor ergonomics, heavy weight & high cost

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Oh, and a HAPPY CHRISTMAS everyone

Hi Ho Huego ... (away)
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« Reply #1 on: Monday December 26 2016 09:31:09 AEDT AM »

Can't help but wonder how you got anything even remotely related to the QED out of that argument on another forum about another brands coil? Looks like you've just cherry picked points to create your own imaginary argument here with yourself with a hateful thread against a man who has no right of reply on this forum, for obvious reasons. Pretty gutless really. I'm all for a competitive detector to rattle Minelabs cage but these types of ramblings don't do anything for the QED cause. It only serves to make yourself look bad and adds weight to the detractors who think you're all bitter, twisted, nut jobs.
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« Reply #2 on: Monday December 26 2016 11:03:31 AEDT AM »

  
Can't help but wonder how you got anything even remotely related to the QED out of that argument on another forum about another brands coil? Looks like you've just cherry picked points to create your own imaginary argument here with yourself with a hateful thread against a man who has no right of reply on this forum, for obvious reasons. Pretty gutless really. I'm all for a competitive detector to rattle Minelabs cage but these types of ramblings don't do anything for the QED cause. It only serves to make yourself look bad and adds weight to the detractors who think you're all bitter, twisted, nut jobs.

Lachian, do not expect any more than that out of Huego.  He is a carbon copy of Doug.  Sad but true.
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« Reply #3 on: Monday December 26 2016 14:49:24 AEDT PM »

  
  
Can't help but wonder how you got anything even remotely related to the QED out of that argument on another forum about another brands coil? Looks like you've just cherry picked points to create your own imaginary argument here with yourself with a hateful thread against a man who has no right of reply on this forum, for obvious reasons. Pretty gutless really. I'm all for a competitive detector to rattle Minelabs cage but these types of ramblings don't do anything for the QED cause. It only serves to make yourself look bad and adds weight to the detractors who think you're all bitter, twisted, nut jobs.

Lachian, do not expect any more than that out of Huego.  He is a carbon copy of Doug.  Sad but true.
Well I don't know much about either of them but I do know that posting hateful ramblings isn't good. It'll turn more away than it attracts. Pending QED release time isn't a good time to be repelling potential customers of his mates?  JP's an easy target where he can't respond so to me that's below the belt, UnAustralian, whether you like the man or not. We all like to see the little Aussie battler get up but I don't really know that Minelab or JP will drop off the radar anytime soon regardless of how the QED goes in the marketplace. For mine it will likely hurt Whites and Garrett PI sales here in Australia more than anything. Two Aussie gold detector manufacturing juggernauts perhaps? That wouldn't be so bad?
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« Reply #4 on: Monday December 26 2016 16:30:50 AEDT PM »

Ignoring the ground noise from the blow flies. Turn away if you wish, you are the loser!
Here is something from the background noise of history…. (with a political intent not for sales  )

…. a foole and his money is soone parted. (English Proverb: 1587)

This post however is about the "history of the arte" using JPs "below the belt" nature & HIS history, of attacking others, comparing his commercial, political & personal style over the years in the goldfields & on forums. Some have long memories I'm told. Its based on his exposure on another forum. He wouldn't dare expose himself here.

However, JP can negotiate his membership to this forum with its owner. You see it was JP who needed to shut me & Doug up on 2 US forums, using derision not fact. But I dont like his chances. Its ain’t fair is it??    But do I care? JP also reckons its "unfair" looking back to the good ol' days (see below):

The facts here are from not only comments derived from the testing of ML 14" & 19" coils (see elswhere) but JPs nature, HIS history, critcisms of members here, as well as the QED for many years.  

JP defends himself, his source of income, his company. But he takes criticism of himself very personally. He prefers to dish it out, even when he’s wrong.
Here’s more that shows some of what I mean (with help from some apostles). Excuse the colour & reiteration but it makes the political point stronger). JP tries to teach Reg how to suck eggs... but others remember.

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"But constantly criticizing me for my role in the development of the GPZ 19 coil because of your disappointment". (JP)


"BL00DY Hell Mate, you’re the Pr!ck that gave the OK on it!!" (quoting apostle friends like Reg who know the personalty & some hidden truths)

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Because you're constantly trying to relive the good old days Reg, is grossly unfair and reflects badly on your role in the history of the art. (JP)



"The only Art you know is what comes naturally, and we all know what that is."

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"The GPZ is a chance for you to tap back into the present day version of the story, going by your public comment you've been reliving the good old days to good effect, the coil is a letdown to you. (JP)


 You got that F’n right Jono.

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"…. smoke coming out of your prototype and the many other hurdles you guys had to overcome in the day.(JP)


 Feck Jono, that was  More than 25 Fecking Years ago???

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The GPZ 19 coil is not perfect, I publicly acknowledge that. (JP)



Thank God you have put that in writing Jono!! "

Just look at the comparison Slim Pikins did & posted on "the lemon" ... but no apology or correction is forthcoming.
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I came to that realization a long time ago. The GPZ 19 coil is what it is ( ie "a lemon", quoting SP) but it is nowhere near as bad as some of the coils I've used in the past, in fact in direct comparison it is brilliant, so I am going to focus on that… (JP looking back)        

                                                                                                                                                             .      
"Hey Jono while you are looking down focusing on “that", have a good Geek at the Coil as well."

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Somewhere out there is a large slug with my name on it, Reg you of all people should know when looking for large deep gold you use the biggest coil you can get your hands on, the GPZ 19 coil in spite of all its perceived negatives, is that coil (JP)


"Excuse me Mr Porter, -- Hey Excuse me, (as the Pauline, leader of One Nation said) ---  they are not perceived negatives, they ar Fecking true!! "

Again…. just look at the comparison tables Slim Pikins did & posted.
Thats a real comparison & demonstration of the deception that many buyers suspect has been committed

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... be glad in the fact someone out there is still trying to make the best tools for what we do.." (Harb)

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Get a bigger prick GR
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« Reply #5 on: Monday December 26 2016 18:56:43 AEDT PM »

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« Reply #6 on: Monday December 26 2016 22:56:00 AEDT PM »

Another rambling mob of nonsense Huego where you've extracted parts of an argument that has no part here to suit your own agenda. Slimpickens testing is hardly a real comparison or demonstration of anything. They were air swings. How much time have you spent detecting gold in the real world Huego? Do you find much gold on the ground whilst swinging the coil at 18" in the air? How much time have you spent with the GPZ 7000 or the GPZ19 to come to so many factual conclusions. Why don't you quote Reg and Slim singing the praises of the GPZ. I'm sure a man of your obvious talent for sifting can find some. Are you personal friends of Reg Wilson and the apostles? Maybe you could arrange for him to do some comprehensive testing and reporting on the QED?
Huego your one of the reasons many consider the QED a joke. With friends like you Bugs don't need any enemies.
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 15:07:55 AEDT PM »

  
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Understood Doug. As I said, JP's only hope of posting is through the eye of a forum needle, & with this forum owners approval… little chance after screaming that you should be banned for posting facts!

So I suggest posters should stick to the topic (see subject). This topic not about selliing the QED, its about JP’s nature defending 19” lemons, or denigating new technology like the QED, or defenders of developers like Bugs or apostles … all as evident in the selected quotes above, made in Aust & on US forums. (I love the mind games played on forums with the likes of GR / Lachlan.. but only if relevant. They try ho-hum diversions all the time.. silly, short attention spans like children I guess.

BUT, "monitoring forums" doesnt provide useful information about the QED, just ongoing denigration by knockers who have knocked it for many years & surpisingly still do!

Info is provided from here officially via the developer / designer / maker. Other genuine comments by posters here are still commentary, even when based on first-hand knowledge.

So If you don’t like the look of the QED listen to JP or buy a ML land mine or an Aldi toy. "Fools and their money .... "

QED sales have nothing to do with me. It now stands on its own, now its released & doesnt need spruiking, or defending.  I'm here to expose the foolishness of others, especially QED denigrators.

As for derogatory comments, on top of "deliberate misinformation" about the QED in the absence of facts, you need only to look no further than comments of Lachlan, Big Nugget,  dribblers & sycophants from way back. Stick to posting on the forums you get ML support from.  

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 15:22:13 AEDT PM »

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