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« Reply #120 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:12:45 AEDT PM »

  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  excited

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  smile

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

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Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

  

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
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« Reply #121 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:15:09 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  excited

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  smile

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 happy face


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

  

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
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« Reply #122 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:17:18 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  excited

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  smile

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 happy face


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

  

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug smile

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug smile
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« Reply #123 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:26:41 AEDT PM »

  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
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« Reply #124 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:29:23 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  excited

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  smile

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 happy face


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

  

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug smile

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug smile
Ok ... here it is ...

There are three new features ...

1. Power recycling TX pulse.
2. Low Q damping method.
3. Noise / EF  cancellation.

The fourth feature .. ground balance is not shown however it can  be deduced from the cct .

This is an informational disclosure - patent(s) applicable.



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« Reply #125 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:42:07 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  excited

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  smile

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 happy face


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

  

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug smile

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug smile
Ok ... here it is ...

There are three new features ...

1. Power recycling TX pulse.
2. Low Q damping method.
3. Noise / EF  cancellation.

The fourth feature .. ground balance is not shown however it can  be deduced from the cct .

This is an informational disclosure - patent(s) applicable.



Is it going to be  commercialized?
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« Reply #126 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:48:09 AEDT PM »

  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
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So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?
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« Reply #127 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:51:51 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  excited

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  smile

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 happy face


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

  

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug smile

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug smile
Ok ... here it is ...

There are three new features ...

1. Power recycling TX pulse.
2. Low Q damping method.
3. Noise / EF  cancellation.

The fourth feature .. ground balance is not shown however it can  be deduced from the cct .

This is an informational disclosure - patent(s) applicable.



Is it going to be  commercialized?
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« Reply #128 on: Monday December 12 2016 13:54:17 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug smile

So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?

No! its the GB method used!
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« Reply #129 on: Monday December 12 2016 14:00:44 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug smile

So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?

No! its the GB method used!
doug smile
It still does not explain the anomalous results for the GPZ on the $1 and $2 coins ... the GPZ is simply not that bad on any ground  ( except maybe wet salty clay )     These results are very bad and point to a user error or faulty detector.
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« Reply #130 on: Monday December 12 2016 14:17:35 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug smile

So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?

No! its the GB method used!
doug smile
It still does not explain the anomalous results for the GPZ on the $1 and $2 coins ... the GPZ is simply not that bad on any ground  ( except maybe wet salty clay )     These results are very bad and point to a user error or faulty detector.

I was referring to the GPX smooth GB method not the SAD7000 GB method. Maybe their are more faulty coils or SAD 7000"s than we think?
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« Reply #131 on: Monday December 12 2016 15:33:18 AEDT PM »

I have kept quiet about the tests results so far because I did not wish to rock a boat full of happy forum members, and hopefully who will continue to be happy when they can test the QED for themselves.

However, it would be amiss not to say….

when the table was listed, several friends from different locations in Aus & I were immediately surprised at the results, and upon checking with “repeatable” $1 and $2, got independently the same results as each other with the 7k using HY Difficult (Al plates not tested). Our depths were significantly more than those indicated in the table provided here. I will leave it at that, and suggest to others to do your own more comprehensive testing.
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« Reply #132 on: Monday December 12 2016 15:57:12 AEDT PM »

Maybe the GPZ used for the results in the table here was one of the bad ones like what happened on another forum with a GPZ that was well below what it should have achieved in an air test on a 5c coin that ML apparently said it should achieve in air test on a 5c coin with a GPZ and its 14" DOD.
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« Reply #133 on: Monday December 12 2016 16:48:43 AEDT PM »

Members please note that this return by Moodz to the forum is after quite a long absence. One of his last posts before he vanished was a "Legal Threat" directed at me. He has now returned and is trying to hijack this thread which is about the launch of the QED by turning it into a marketing exercise for the GPZ7000.  If he has any connection with Minelab whatsoever he should disclose it.
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Members please note that this return by Moodz to the forum is after quite a long absence. One of his last posts before he vanished was a "Legal Threat" directed at me. He has now returned and is trying to hijack this thread which is about the launch of the QED by turning it into a marketing exercise for the GPZ7000.  If he has any connection with Minelab whatsoever he should disclose it.

I have only questioned the validity of the test results for the GPZ ( which is ON topic ) in the comparison chart. This is on the basis of my own ( and apparently others ) knowledge regarding what this result should be.

Any invasion of a members right to privacy is contemptible. I dont enquire nor am interested in anyones associations commercial / religious or otherwise .... but just for your own edification 1. I sell IP that I generate ( ie make ) to anyone who will buy it.   2. Companies buy or licence IP from people/companies who make it and generally they provide some compensation for that.
That does not mean that a permanent or any association is formed between the supplier and the reciever other than the event itself. You join the dots.

But just in case that is not clear I DONT have any current association with ML.

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« Reply #135 on: Monday December 12 2016 18:51:22 AEDT PM »

Moodz, the early question was an easy one. Now for a harder question. Did you buy or do you own the GPZ7000 in the video. I don't see anybody else present at the test and you must surely have more than a beginners experience to set it up to get the results shown.
How about you start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one for your own agenda.
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« Reply #136 on: Monday December 12 2016 20:25:55 AEDT PM »

The ownership of GPZs or anything else for that matter is definitely off topic here. As for the tests they are definitely ON topic as the given values for the GPZ are not representative of the correct sensitivity. In the interests of truth and the integrity / impartiality / objectivity of the test compiler the results should be retested or removed. How can anyone compare apples with apples. Its not going to hurt your product. Bang for Buck the QED will win.
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« Reply #137 on: Monday December 12 2016 21:37:11 AEDT PM »

At least we can agree on the bang for buck.
Feel free to start another thread to keep the GPZ 7000 defense going.
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« Reply #138 on: Tuesday December 13 2016 09:54:12 AEDT AM »

  
At least we can agree on the bang for buck.
Feel free to start another thread to keep the GPZ 7000 defense going.

The Moodz test results are flawed! Look very carefully at his video! Anyway the QED with a 14" mono coil will come very close to his claimed SAD7000 figures and I think would match  them with an 18" mono. And  the QED will do this with almost no interference from EM!
This thread is about the QED so any more posts about the SAD7000 will be moved.
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« Reply #139 on: Tuesday December 13 2016 09:57:54 AEDT AM »

hi bugs , any chance of getting a look at the qed manual
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