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Goldsearch Australia has been appointed the Australian Distributor for the QED. QED info on the Goldsearch website has been updated.
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Over the overwhelming majority of typical Gf ground the QED GB works just fine! Another new user has used his QED over "fairly difficult ground around Waanyarra and Kooyoora areas  " and not reported any GB problems!
The so called QED GB problem is just  more fake news created by  some fake, delusional and dishonest imbecile cretins on 1/2 wits (who is a proven forum hacker and liar and  just dumb!) pox, liars and abomination and disgraceful atrocity sewer rats "forum" that have never used a QED! The QED has been used successfully to detect under 300k steel tower transmission lines(try that with a gp/gpx  with a mono coil!!!) so it  can handle bad  EMI! The QED will also run quite and stable in a household with electrical appliances running.Try that with a ML with a mono coil!!! "QED matches and and in most cases outperforms the SDC"  and will thrash it for depth on bigger gold. QED sales are still strong so if you are on the waiting list please be patient as BW is working 12 hours a day to try and reduce the waiting time.
Except for the USB port the prototype QED's are identical in EVERY respect to the production models and according to the designer  the production models may even be  better!
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« Reply #240 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 10:03:35 AEDT AM »

  
  
Very strong signals there! Looked a bit like amateur hour though. Get a bigger pick lads   The ground looked pretty grey and fluffy too. Not very mineralised looking and well surfaced. Ok keep them coming Bugs.

BW I would not waste time trying to please with any more videos as all it does is feed more negatives as shown here and elsewhere
  
What's negative there buddy???? It's a very nice signal on those bits as I noted. I can't help it if I got a laugh out of them scratching around with that pick. The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob. It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that. The EMI resistance would be of far more interest up north especially at the moment!! A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.
Please don't stop with the vids Bugs. Some of QED in variable ground showing the ground balancing process would be great. The higher the mineralisation and the more widely variable the ground the better!
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« Reply #241 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 10:44:52 AEDT AM »

  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.

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« Reply #242 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 11:18:58 AEDT AM »

  
Here is some light reading that may be if benifit. Read the section about comparisons.   .

By allowing mates to post replies on your behalf that are inacurate or misleadind and failing to rectify those untrue statements leaves you liable.

Due to the unprofessional way you allow this site to run leaves me with no confidence to purchase your pipe dream detector and therefore with most probably purchase a Garret or Aldi special


You want to quote consumer laws Big Gold, apply them to this drivel !
  

Go and buy you ALDI detector, it will also see a nugget this size at 6 inches.

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« Reply #243 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 11:25:59 AEDT AM »

  
Here is some light reading that may be if benifit. Read the section about comparisons.   .


The same applies to claims of up to 30% more depth for the SAD 7000 19" coil!!!!!!
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« Reply #244 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 11:59:31 AEDT AM »

And while the ACCC are at it they can also evaluate the cumulative claimed depth improvements from the SD2000 to the GPX 5000.
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« Reply #245 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 12:29:38 AEDT PM »

Lets not get side tracked and off topic.This thread is about the QED.
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« Reply #246 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 15:02:08 AEDT PM »

  
  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.
You've got a bee in your bonnet about nothing. Anyone who has detected a variety of ground conditions would most likely agree that the ground in the video looks tame. That doesn't detract from the detector at all but it also doesn't satisfy a person's curiosity on how it goes in much more mineralised and variable ground either or undisturbed ground. Queensland is also not renowned for its hot ground but north of the border is renowned for having difficulties with EMI especially this time of year. What better place to demonstrate the EMI resistance of the QED? Maybe the Northern Territory? Victoria is renowned for its large areas of mineralisation and can be quite variable in areas with hot pockets, clay domes and so forth. That's the nature of the beast and that's where people want to see the ground balance capabilities in action. Some have commented that they didn't really understand the manual so a demo on how to initial ground balance the QED in mineralised ground then maintaining it through variable ground conditions would be beneficial. Is that too much for you to understand mylab? Salt ground would also be another worthy area to demonstrate GB and QED effectiveness in those areas?
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« Reply #247 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 15:20:09 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.
You've got a bee in your bonnet about nothing. Anyone who has detected a variety of ground conditions would most likely agree that the ground in the video looks tame. That doesn't detract from the detector at all but it also doesn't satisfy a person's curiosity on how it goes in much more mineralised and variable ground either or undisturbed ground. Queensland is also not renowned for its hot ground but north of the border is renowned for having difficulties with EMI especially this time of year. What better place to demonstrate the EMI resistance of the QED? Maybe the Northern Territory? Victoria is renowned for its large areas of mineralisation and can be quite variable in areas with hot pockets, clay domes and so forth. That's the nature of the beast and that's where people want to see the ground balance capabilities in action. Some have commented that they didn't really understand the manual so a demo on how to initial ground balance the QED in mineralised ground then maintaining it through variable ground conditions would be beneficial. Is that too much for you to understand mylab? Salt ground would also be another worthy area to demonstrate GB and QED effectiveness in those areas?

I suggest that you talk to Dean at Goldsearch who has used a QED for some time about how it goes over Vic mineralized ground. The QED  also does not have auto  tracking or any specific timing regime for conductive ground. As for EMI resistance the QED can be run in bugs workshop  with air cons and other electrical equipment running with minimal effects. Any ML detector with a mono  will just go crazy in the same situation.I am personally not sure how the QED  copes with  distant electrical storms and lightning strikes but the sampling regime and the way it processes received signals should mean its better than a SD/GP/GPX with a mono coil.
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« Reply #248 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 15:33:50 AEDT PM »

  

 Is that too much for you to understand mylab?

 

You first asked for "Any live dig footage?" and too BW's credit he obliged with a video.

Of course you appear to know which OZ state has more mineralised ground than the other therefore be it not for me to argue that point with you.

Actually there is no further points for me, so the floor is yours.
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« Reply #249 on: Tuesday December 27 2016 17:01:27 AEDT PM »

  
  
  
  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.
You've got a bee in your bonnet about nothing. Anyone who has detected a variety of ground conditions would most likely agree that the ground in the video looks tame. That doesn't detract from the detector at all but it also doesn't satisfy a person's curiosity on how it goes in much more mineralised and variable ground either or undisturbed ground. Queensland is also not renowned for its hot ground but north of the border is renowned for having difficulties with EMI especially this time of year. What better place to demonstrate the EMI resistance of the QED? Maybe the Northern Territory? Victoria is renowned for its large areas of mineralisation and can be quite variable in areas with hot pockets, clay domes and so forth. That's the nature of the beast and that's where people want to see the ground balance capabilities in action. Some have commented that they didn't really understand the manual so a demo on how to initial ground balance the QED in mineralised ground then maintaining it through variable ground conditions would be beneficial. Is that too much for you to understand mylab? Salt ground would also be another worthy area to demonstrate GB and QED effectiveness in those areas?

I suggest that you talk to Dean at Goldsearch who has used a QED for some time about how it goes over Vic mineralized ground. The QED  also does not have auto  tracking or any specific timing regime for conductive ground. As for EMI resistance the QED can be run in bugs workshop  with air cons and other electrical equipment running with minimal effects. Any ML detector with a mono  will just go crazy in the same situation.I am personally not sure how the QED  copes with  distant electrical storms and lightning strikes but the sampling regime and the way it processes received signals should mean its better than a SD/GP/GPX with a mono coil.
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Dean at Goldsearch ok. My mistake I had thought this forum was all about Q&A on the QED. I will refer my questions to him. Hopefully he's more informative than the lap dog known as Huego. Maybe Huego could be trained to post cut and paste standard answers here? He's good at cut and paste plus it would be more resourceful to have him help with the launch of the QED rather than continually try to rehash old forum wars where frankly both sides did their fair share of stone throwing   happy face If the QED can offer advantages over what's already available then I will have one. If not it will just be another also ran like the TDI and ATX. And that Huego is a fact.
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« Reply #250 on: Wednesday December 28 2016 07:19:21 AEDT AM »

The soil in the vid has undoubtably low VRM.

But the capability of how well a detector’s spatial maintenance of GB is minimized (“minimal ground noise”), whilst maintaining good depth, in high VRM mineralised gold fields, is of quintessential interest.

Dean assures that the QED has superbly low ground noise, which makes the QED very exciting indeed! Come on Bugs, release ASAP please so we can all have a go!
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« Reply #251 on: Wednesday December 28 2016 10:01:05 AEDT AM »

  
The soil in the vid has undoubtably low VRM.

What is the basis of your assumption?
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« Reply #252 on: Wednesday December 28 2016 13:07:19 AEDT PM »

Now that is a good question Doug as it appears from the reply that you have questioned and a reply I received to one of my postings that both of these members were on-site when this particular video was recorded for them to know so much about the type of the ground where the video took place.

From my experience when surface ground is cleared away either by raking or using machinery the new ground exposed can be far more difficult to detect since that top surface layer can act as a buffer zone compared to the mineralised gravel layer below.

The gravel during the first dig and from within the hole may well be highly mineralised gravel and the clay during the second dig does have an orange colour to it so it too could be well mineralised also.

Only those present during the video would know the facts.
 
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« Reply #253 on: Thursday December 29 2016 00:33:50 AEDT AM »

From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame. If we have no hope of saying that the ground isn't mineralised then how can you say or assume that it is? Maybe the testers in these videos need to come forth and relay the correct information so informed decisions can be made. Something else they could clarify is whether the QED was the detector that picked up those signals originally or if it was just tested on undug signals discovered with another machine. That is how it seems to be relayed there i.e testing the QED again showed that it was able to receive a response on another target? I really don't believe we are asking to much to be provided with some background information. It would stop petty arguments on things for a start and eliminate assumptions to some degree. I have sent a fairly long request to Dean at Goldsearch who I'm hoping has some good info for us all. He does however talk the TDI up for sales so while I'll accept the information some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.
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« Reply #254 on: Thursday December 29 2016 01:29:22 AEDT AM »

  
From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame...............  some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.

Your “ASSUMPTION” and the Goe’s “SEEMED” are words that show that you both “KNOW” exactly what that ground was like.

However don't be to hard on yourself as being only a "DUMB" fossicker.

Stick to your “SKEPTICISM” until your independent report comes in.
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« Reply #255 on: Thursday December 29 2016 04:33:11 AEDT AM »

  
From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame. If we have no hope of saying that the ground isn't mineralised then how can you say or assume that it is? Maybe the testers in these videos need to come forth and relay the correct information so informed decisions can be made. Something else they could clarify is whether the QED was the detector that picked up those signals originally or if it was just tested on undug signals discovered with another machine. That is how it seems to be relayed there i.e testing the QED again showed that it was able to receive a response on another target? I really don't believe we are asking to much to be provided with some background information. It would stop petty arguments on things for a start and eliminate assumptions to some degree. I have sent a fairly long request to Dean at Goldsearch who I'm hoping has some good info for us all. He does however talk the TDI up for sales so while I'll accept the information some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.

Let's carve up this post and see what game you are playing.

A: The ground at the site is mild and any detector could have been used there.
B: Maybe another detector actually located the nuggets.
C: Your info request to Dean has been sent but not answered yet.
D: Dean is only interested in selling the TDI.

Is this correct Lachlan?


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« Reply #256 on: Thursday December 29 2016 08:45:32 AEDT AM »

Hi Bugs.
In the foreseeable future is there going to be the option of a ground grab. or auto ground balance set-up
as it looks like the sensitivity is not a problem, this would be the icing on the cake..

Bob..
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« Reply #257 on: Thursday December 29 2016 08:56:01 AEDT AM »

  
Hi Bugs.
In the foreseeable future is there going to be the option of a ground grab. or auto ground balance set-up
as it looks like the sensitivity is not a problem, this would be the icing on the cake..

Bob..

One day maybe.
The advantage of manual GB is that the setting gives feedback about ground mineralisation.
The higher the GB number, the more mineralised the ground the greater the chance of it containing gold.
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« Reply #258 on: Thursday December 29 2016 08:58:58 AEDT AM »

Thanks Bugs
I guess I will have to buy one and test for myself

Cheer's Bob..
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« Reply #259 on: Thursday December 29 2016 09:15:54 AEDT AM »

  
  
From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame. If we have no hope of saying that the ground isn't mineralised then how can you say or assume that it is? Maybe the testers in these videos need to come forth and relay the correct information so informed decisions can be made. Something else they could clarify is whether the QED was the detector that picked up those signals originally or if it was just tested on undug signals discovered with another machine. That is how it seems to be relayed there i.e testing the QED again showed that it was able to receive a response on another target? I really don't believe we are asking to much to be provided with some background information. It would stop petty arguments on things for a start and eliminate assumptions to some degree. I have sent a fairly long request to Dean at Goldsearch who I'm hoping has some good info for us all. He does however talk the TDI up for sales so while I'll accept the information some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.

Let's carve up this post and see what game you are playing.

A: The ground at the site is mild and any detector could have been used there.
B: Maybe another detector actually located the nuggets.
C: Your info request to Dean has been sent but not answered yet.
D: Dean is only interested in selling the TDI.

Is this correct Lachlan?



No game. What game is mylab playing continually attacking me for having an opinion on the ground in the video yet he has one too. Maybe he should read up on surficial mineralisation and how + why it occurs in goldfields. If he is getting dramatic ground handling difficulties after raking I'd suggest he needs a detector with more depth capabilities. I pray he's not a QED tester!
A. It would appear that way? It's an opinion only. I see nothing in the video to suggest otherwise.
B. Maybe it did. Not quite clear and the wording isn't clear about that and may even lead some to think that.
C. Sent but not answered. Noted the shop has been closed. Will be open today and tomorrow then closed again until 9/01/17. May not get a reply until post that date?
D. He is the sole Australian Whites distributor. It may be in his best interests to sell them? Frankly I have little trust in getting the full story out of any detector salesperson regardless of what brand. Having a tester or user of a pre release QED who is also your sole distributor smacks of the same ethical questioning that is thrown at JP constantly in regards to his Minelab connection with testing and now selling is it not? Different standards there?

Some up front information from your testers would be great but I can appreciate that isn't always possible. However could someone here possibly provide some more information rather than refer people to the salesman where no doubt we will only receive a glowing report? Did I mention I have a vehement distrust of detector salespersons. You and your followers may have to get used to criticism whether constructive or not. After the QED is released I sincerely doubt that everyone who buys it will love it and give it a 5 star report. That's a fact of life and anything that is sold in general. Opinion being stated now will be nothing compared to what you read or hear in the ensuing months. Harden up a bit fellows.
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