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Title: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 05:09:23 AEDT AM
On this, the 162nd anniversary of the Eureka Rebellion I am pleased to announce that Goldsearch Australia has been appointed the Australian Distributor.

http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/

Check out the website after Wednesday 7th December for more information.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Saturday December 3 2016 06:26:19 AEDT AM
5 more days ! Its been a long long road. Best wishes.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Saturday December 3 2016 06:46:20 AEDT AM
Nice one Bugwhiskers!

Do sales begin on 7th?

Thanks.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 07:06:07 AEDT AM
  
Nice one Bugwhiskers!

Do sales begin on 7th?

Thanks.

Fingers crossed, a few things to put in place first.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: pedro on Saturday December 3 2016 07:13:19 AEDT AM
Hope it all goes well for you Bugwhiskers
Cheers


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Saturday December 3 2016 08:19:01 AEDT AM
Congratulations.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday December 3 2016 09:16:42 AEDT AM
nice unit , well done bugs , never thought it would happen


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday December 3 2016 09:23:10 AEDT AM
The QED also  has been tested (by a certified tester) for EMI compliance and  has passed  all the testing.
 I don't know what the price will be yet i expect it will be less than the SAD 7000 19" coil!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday December 3 2016 09:28:12 AEDT AM
nice timing bugs , any idea on cost , and will it come assembled ,or is it in kit form and need a tec to assemble it , cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Saturday December 3 2016 10:02:37 AEDT AM
Congratulations Bugwhiskers,
I will be getting mine ASAP
 ::04::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 10:04:15 AEDT AM
Around half the price of the TDI and Garrett ATX.
The included standard coil will be the Nugget Finder 12" EVO.
Not a kit, fully functional.
Woman, child and fragile old codger friendly with the all up weight under 2Kg.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday December 3 2016 10:14:44 AEDT AM
awesome bugs , i wil have one , to tell you the truth im flabbergasted it has happened ,
 i thought some big company would stop this happening
great to see another great ozzie detector
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Saturday December 3 2016 10:47:53 AEDT AM
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The included standard coil will be the Nugget Finder 12" EVO.



Can there be an option of no coil, for the people who already have one ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 11:20:13 AEDT AM
  
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The included standard coil will be the Nugget Finder 12" EVO.



Can there be an option of no coil, for the people who already have one ?


There will be options to buy just what you want. The box, the handle, the coil or the lot.
An optional extra will be an additional external battery box that will extend the battery life and allow detection for over 40 hours between charges. It can be mounted at varying points along the rear of the handle to counterbalance the weight of the coil.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday December 3 2016 12:58:50 AEDT PM
 The QED has been tested in Vic goldfields and HAS found  nuggets and specimens in undisturbed, mineralized ground.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday December 3 2016 13:42:16 AEDT PM
CONGRATULATIONS BUGS!

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Not a kit, fully functional.
Woman, child and fragile old codger friendly with the all up weight under 2Kg.



What a wonderful Eureka Anniversary moment & pressie for someone. (like me!)

A price around $1800-1900 will suit most who are not attracted to a 19" coil which weighs the same as a complete QED.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Saturday December 3 2016 13:50:46 AEDT PM
  
  
Quote
The included standard coil will be the Nugget Finder 12" EVO.



Can there be an option of no coil, for the people who already have one ?


There will be options to buy just what you want. The box, the handle, the coil or the lot.
An optional extra will be an additional external battery box that will extend the battery life and allow detection for over 40 hours between charges. It can be mounted at varying points along the rear of the handle to counterbalance the weight of the coil.

Excellent, thats great news for those who have a variety of coils already and dont need to double up .


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: authere on Saturday December 3 2016 14:40:48 AEDT PM
Hi Bugsy,

Congratulations, a hell of a trip to get here but finally a bit of competition, I have ordered one from Goldsearch and look forward to using it next season

Yahoo, Ron


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: GARY on Saturday December 3 2016 15:21:38 AEDT PM
It was back in 2004 that I had my first detecting trip to the Golden Triangle in Victoria and unbeknown to me at that time after I paid for my Miners Right it was the 150th Anniversary year of the Eureka Rebellion.

It was not until later in that year of 2004 and too my surprise and joy that I received in the post a special 1854 EUREKA 150 MINERS RIGHT 2004 certificate.

Therefore bugwhiskers on this, as you say the 162nd Anniversary, congratulations also.

Gary..


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 17:08:52 AEDT PM
Today's Ballarat Courier.
The key words, "rights and liberties".

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4331984/opinion-ron-egeberg/



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 17:12:35 AEDT PM
  
It was back in 2004 that I had my first detecting trip to the Golden Triangle in Victoria and unbeknown to me at that time after I paid for my Miners Right it was the 150th Anniversary year of the Eureka Rebellion.

It was not until later in that year of 2004 and too my surprise and joy that I received in the post a special 1854 EUREKA 150 MINERS RIGHT 2004 certificate.

Therefore bugwhiskers on this, as you say the 162nd Anniversary, congratulations also.

Gary..


They are not being mass produced in a factory. Each one uses a commercially made PCB but the soldering of the many parts is all done by hand. I am hoping there is no mad rush of orders leaving people disgruntled.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday December 3 2016 17:15:52 AEDT PM
Perhaps IF “they" give JP a QED to test, as Robby H suggests, "they" will also provide him with a suitable NDA to sign. One with clause "Praise the product BUT don’t discuss anything negative about it with competitors"! ::620:: ::620::

I'm unsure that JP as a competitor's tester & promoter can be trusted to be unbiased with the QED. There have been years of negative emotion associated with it from critics who knew nothing about it.

Interestingly, I wonder if there is a tag / disclaimer inside saying  "The QED contains NO patented or protected IP”.

The hand assembly / soldering should ensure better QC.  ::419::

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 17:20:28 AEDT PM
I forgot to mention. Each board is calibrated to ensure correct battery voltage reading and the bias adjustment and TX voltage adjust. This is followed by a "burn in" of about 2 hours and also a tapping test to see if there are any bad joints.
Has anybody noticed that the first model is called PL. Who wants to have a guess why?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Saturday December 3 2016 18:01:24 AEDT PM
  
  
It was back in 2004 that I had my first detecting trip to the Golden Triangle in Victoria and unbeknown to me at that time after I paid for my Miners Right it was the 150th Anniversary year of the Eureka Rebellion.

It was not until later in that year of 2004 and too my surprise and joy that I received in the post a special 1854 EUREKA 150 MINERS RIGHT 2004 certificate.

Therefore bugwhiskers on this, as you say the 162nd Anniversary, congratulations also.

Gary..


They are not being mass produced in a factory. Each one uses a commercially made PCB but the soldering of the many parts is all done by hand. I am hoping there is no mad rush of orders leaving people disgruntled.

I reckon you better get soldering mate, You may be swamped, 1 for me and a few others on here, a few from other forums, You may need a 100 done before Christmas.

Prospectors Liberation



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday December 3 2016 18:04:27 AEDT PM
  

Has anybody noticed that the first model is called PL.
Who wants to have a guess why?



My guess this model is in memory & respect for Peter Lalor (PL)

As a Eureka hero & leader Peter Lalor, in later life was Speaker of the House in the Legislative Assembly of Victoria. The symbolism with & the fight for the QED is not lost on most members here esp. PL's comments needing to take action to defend the beliefs of true believers (in social justice) & the injustice of not having $$$ to counter-attack the attackers… as it is so richly phrased below.

"Following the battle, rebel leader, Irish Australian Peter Lalor, wrote .. to the colonists of Victoria, "There are two things connected with the late outbreak (Eureka) which I deeply regret. The first is, that we shouldn't have been forced to take up arms at all; and the second is, that when we were compelled to take the field in our own defence, we were unable (through want of arms, ammunition and a little organisation) to inflict on the real authors of the outbreak the punishment they so richly deserved"... (Wiki - Eureka Rebellion)

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Cliff on Saturday December 3 2016 18:27:37 AEDT PM
Well done Howard!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 3 2016 18:29:15 AEDT PM
Well done Huego, you got it in one.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday December 3 2016 19:45:14 AEDT PM
1st post here guys. gday Im dave, from Darwin, (not D.Langley, nice fella Dave.)
Firstly, congrats on getting the QED up and running, wish you all the best!
Secondly, I want one! LOL. Ive already sent goldsearch a request, and look forward to getting out there and using one. Hope you don,t get too swamped too soon, I am patient though, and won,t be disgruntled (to much) if I have to wait a bit.
Best of luck, been following progress for a while now.
Cheers dave.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ginger Ninja on Saturday December 3 2016 22:11:01 AEDT PM
 ::05:: Congratulations.
And to all those who gave you a hard time & put obstacles in your path : "Success is the best form of Revenge" ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Sunday December 4 2016 03:06:11 AEDT AM
BW, the answer will make no difference to me regarding the purchase of a QED, I am buying one regardless,but how weather resistant id the box and all the good stuff inside?
Ta, dave.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Sunday December 4 2016 04:55:36 AEDT AM
Nice end-up BW.
Congratulations.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday December 4 2016 05:41:52 AEDT AM
  
BW, the answer will make no difference to me regarding the purchase of a QED, I am buying one regardless,but how weather resistant id the box and all the good stuff inside?
Ta, dave.

The box is not submersible or rain proof.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Sunday December 4 2016 05:46:15 AEDT AM
no worries, so Ill need to be carefull in our wet season eh! Placcy bag untill I can get back to the car, or maybe just a dry season thing, to hot now anyway!

BTW, thanks for sticking to your project, many would have given up.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 4 2016 09:04:52 AEDT AM
 One thing that BW has not yet mentioned is that the QED is designed only to use  mono coils.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 4 2016 09:10:51 AEDT AM
 BW at some stage could you go through and explain all the QED menu options  and how they are used.eg how do you optimize the settings for different mono coils eg for those of us that have older and perhaps slower coils.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday December 4 2016 09:41:42 AEDT AM
hi all , just placed my order with goldsearch ,


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 4 2016 11:29:58 AEDT AM
Some people expect a lot!
"--- QED control box is not even rain proof"
None of the ML SD,GP,GPX control boxes are rain proof either!!!! Weather proof control boxes and plugs would add dramatically to the price of the QED.
As for pricing that is not yet sorted out but i believe that the QED with NF 12"  coil will retail for substantially less than the cheapest TDI.
Field testing has shown that the QED will outperform the TDI for depth and sensitivity on gold.
doug ::419::
Edited:Sunday December 4 2016 11:31:25 AEDT AM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Tathradj on Sunday December 4 2016 11:38:44 AEDT AM
I have been watching this for the past few years with great interest and finally, It is here. :) :)
I will be making inquiries as to whether I can just purchase the control box as I have an arsenal of coils and shafts.
This is going to be very interesting.
Congratulations on bringing your project to fruition.
It has been a long hard path, " Good things come to those who wait. "


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 4 2016 11:43:25 AEDT AM
  
I have been watching this for the past few years with great interest and finally, It is here. :) :)
I will be making inquiries as to whether I can just purchase the control box as I have an arsenal of coils and shafts.
This is going to be very interesting.
Congratulations on bringing your project to fruition.
It has been a long hard path, " Good things come to those who wait. "



“There will be options to buy just what you want. The box, the handle, the coil or the lot.”
http://australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com/new-board-109/qed-update-8893/
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 4 2016 11:47:21 AEDT AM
  
Some people expect a lot!
"--- QED control box is not even rain proof"
None of the ML SD,GP,GPX control boxes are rain proof either!!!! Weather proof control boxes and plugs would add dramatically to the price of the QED.
As for pricing that is not yet sorted out but i believe that the QED with NF 12"  coil will retail for substantially less than the cheapest TDI.
Field testing has shown that the QED will outperform the TDI for depth and sensitivity on gold.
doug ::419::
Edited:Sunday December 4 2016 11:31:25 AEDT AM

The QED circuit is remarkably  robust.I will  let BW tell you some of the horrendous things he has done to  try and blow up or destroy the QED circuit. eg plugging and unplugging coils while the detector is running!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Tathradj on Sunday December 4 2016 13:14:03 AEDT PM
Yes, I seen that Doug and have already sent of an email. :) :)
I wonder how it will go with an EVO 17x13 hanging off the end of the giggle stick. LOL
Exciting times ahead.  ::10 ::
Doug
(Yes, I am a Doug as well )


  
  
I have been watching this for the past few years with great interest and finally, It is here. :) :)
I will be making inquiries as to whether I can just purchase the control box as I have an arsenal of coils and shafts.
This is going to be very interesting.
Congratulations on bringing your project to fruition.
It has been a long hard path, " Good things come to those who wait. "



“There will be options to buy just what you want. The box, the handle, the coil or the lot.”
http://australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com/new-board-109/qed-update-8893/
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday December 4 2016 15:17:36 AEDT PM
  
  
Some people expect a lot!
"--- QED control box is not even rain proof"
None of the ML SD,GP,GPX control boxes are rain proof either!!!! Weather proof control boxes and plugs would add dramatically to the price of the QED.
As for pricing that is not yet sorted out but i believe that the QED with NF 12"  coil will retail for substantially less than the cheapest TDI.
Field testing has shown that the QED will outperform the TDI for depth and sensitivity on gold.
doug ::419::
Edited:Sunday December 4 2016 11:31:25 AEDT AM

The QED circuit is remarkably  robust.I will  let BW tell you some of the horrendous things he has done to  try and blow up or destroy the QED circuit. eg plugging and unplugging coils while the detector is running!
doug ::419::

If the coil is faulty eg short circuit the detector will start then shut down immediately, If the coil short circuits while the detector is running it shuts down immediately without damage.When the batteries are down to minimum the detector shuts down automatically. The prevents the expensive batteries being damaged. Ignore the ranters who bag a product without ever using it. Their motive and connections are obvious.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Blacksand on Sunday December 4 2016 17:37:11 AEDT PM
Hi BW,

Great to see "your baby" is now available. I like the idea of buying just the control box and shaft. And as for a waterproof control box, who prospects out in the rain. Will you provide a 240 volt charger and 12 volt car charger? Wishing you great success.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Sunday December 4 2016 18:21:04 AEDT PM
HI All.

Bugs Well done.
It takes a lot of persistance to follow through all the way to a retail ready product.

In terms of being waterproof - unlike a GPX, a plastic bag will provide all necesary water proofing given it is placed on the top side of the shaft.

Bugs , do you have a features list?
what is the lowest sample delay ?
I cant remember - is it constant current?
does the ground balance handle variable ground like a gpz?
I want to believe!!!!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Sunday December 4 2016 22:41:14 AEDT PM
Have been following you many years.. Bugs ...all the ups n downs you have struggled thru..
Congrats on finally bringing this project to fruition.. What are those black hatters thinking I wonder
Will definitely Aquire one ...again well done mate


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 5 2016 05:46:19 AEDT AM
  
HI All.

Bugs Well done.
It takes a lot of persistance to follow through all the way to a retail ready product.

In terms of being waterproof - unlike a GPX, a plastic bag will provide all necesary water proofing given it is placed on the top side of the shaft.

Bugs , do

you have a features list?
what is the lowest sample delay ?
I cant remember - is it constant current?
does the ground balance handle variable ground like a gpz?
I want to believe!!!!

Please checkout  the Goldsearch Australia website on Wednesday.
http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/


Title: Re: QED update:old mate telling lies again on Finders!
Post by: Doug on Monday December 5 2016 13:22:59 AEDT PM
Rather than telling lies "Oldmate" as a moderator of Beepstick should get off his lazy bum and start cleaning out all the spam and porn on  that forum!.
I cannot understand why such an incompetent, moronic  buffoon  was ever made a forum moderator!
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=15&sid=615ddf2f36e919a6c17acff5308be8a9
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Monday December 5 2016 14:37:36 AEDT PM
Yeh he is a dill Doug... I would expect inquiries & orders will be flooding in. Thats all one can expect at this stage.
Both dealer & Bugs will be happy with that.

Quote

If it performs as well 4500 it will be a winner.
It will give the bird to all those who said it would never be released.
I don't see any of those people coming up with anything of value.

....."heaps of firm email and web orders and it’s looking like they’re going to be overwhelmed with orders. .... Old Mate, .... if I was the sole retailer, I’d be as happy as..... "

(Yellowfin, Finders)


You can say that again YK ... OK I will ....  ::419::

It will "give the bird" to all those who said it would never be released.

Its great to see many (mostly) happy prospects & potential buyers seeing the potential value in the QED!!

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Monday December 5 2016 18:48:08 AEDT PM
Im one of the ones who has sent an e mail to gold search, I would pay now, upfront, but don, t know how much?! ::62::
Im guessing BW has a few ready to go, as Inhere wrote "they will be made one at a time", Im hopeing the wait wont be tooooo long, but hey, Ive waited a fair while so far, whats a bit longer?
Look forward to having one, I reckon its gonna be a valuable tool to me. Thanks BW, s Doug and all the crew involved.


Title: Re: QED update:reply to the patent parrots latest rant on finders
Post by: Doug on Monday December 5 2016 21:44:38 AEDT PM
“Nero posted the discovery order on 4umer that ML issued against Bugwhiskers. It was issued when he implied that version one QED used a combination of samples to achieve the same result as Minelab's smooth timings patent. He ignored previous warnings re possible infringement so ML issued the discovery order rather than wait until after the thing had gone into production. They did Bugs a favor”

What the patent parrot does not say is that  if the“previous warnings re possible infringement” occurred before either the QED or the ML patent (515) were granted  then under the patent act this if proven amounts to unjustified threats of patent infringement!
Its worth noting that ML have still not challenged the QED patent!!!!
And as for Candy doing his own thing entirely with  the SD2000 and totally ignoring the early pioneers like Eric foster is simply baloney!
 This comment by the patent parrot in reply to a post by Reg is most interesting
“The comment you made re telling  Candy about a ground balancing PI back in the eighties (Eric Fosters Goldscan) was potentially very damaging to both Candy and Minelab.”
doug ::419::
Ps dead men sometimes do tell tales!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 6 2016 04:21:08 AEDT AM
To everyone who has been following the QED saga I would like to update you on the circumstances surrounding its release. As you are aware, Minelab Party had suggested that I might be infringing on their intellectual property. This led to a long series of events and a back and forth between them and myself.

To cut to the chase, I decided to change my ground balance method enough to satisfy Minelab's concerns and to bring an end to the dispute. I am please to report that I am in receipt of a letter from Peter Charlesworth, Minelab's General Manager stating that they have no objection to my selling a detector that utilises the said change/s. I am sure that Peter is just as relieved as I am that the dispute has been resolved without any further cost of time or money.

There are undoubtedly going to be some bad feelings voiced from a few Minelab dealers. My advice is for them to simply get over it. One of the things that we as Australians should take pride in is that there is always a chance for the little bloke to make a go of things. I am a one man outfit so please get off my back and think of your fellow prospectors.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Tuesday December 6 2016 06:43:02 AEDT AM
Hey Bugs , well done.

Interesting timing for goldsearch to be closed... would they have any backlash?

agree about the dealers. On P.A i just wish people with vested interest keep their comments to themselves or at least state on their post that they their livelyhood relies on minersden and thus mindflab... There are plenty of good ppl on there but some are just negative and closed minded.

anyway , we are another day closer- YAY!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: techo_bob on Tuesday December 6 2016 08:07:50 AEDT AM
Hi Bugs

What a huge effort you guys have put in.
Very well done indeed!!
I am the President of the sunbury metal detecting club and have been keeping members informed of progress with a number of possible
"Other Detectors" coming on the market , the boys are especially interested in the saga of the Q.E.D.
If possible can you give us some technical specs on the latest version for sale .
we have our last club meeting tomorrow night and would love to give a report.
you can PM me if you don't want to post it here

Thanks
Bob..


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Tuesday December 6 2016 08:43:13 AEDT AM
Quote
If possible can you give us some technical specs on the latest version for sale .
we have our last club meeting tomorrow night and would love to give a report.


I would also like to give a report to my club tomorrow night as well, any info would be helpfull thanks Bugs.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 6 2016 10:06:27 AEDT AM
When Dean is back at work at
 http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/
he will be adding a lot of info.
I suggest you direct your club members there.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: techo_bob on Tuesday December 6 2016 10:19:03 AEDT AM
Thanks Bugs

Will do.

Bob


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Tuesday December 6 2016 10:45:56 AEDT AM
just like xmas , only 1 sleep to go ,
 ::10 :: red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday December 6 2016 14:39:40 AEDT PM
The QED has gone public & more details will be available from Goldsearch tomorrow as Bugs has announced. But the usual crowd of ML defenders still want to bag the QED, as if its a form of ML imitator or mock up. Its mockingly called “a crumpet on a stick” -  that’s competition for ya and even without knowing about it. Yep, keep following threads on the QED here. You need to for the facts rather than getting your cojones twisted or pricked by the spinifex when you crap on about the QED. "Give it (your arse) a rest" from the pricks.  ::620::

Meanwhile the QED quietly progresses to commercialisation. It has never been proved to contain anyone's protected IP. Vids have been released during development showing how easily it balances, how quietly it can run, its good metal detecting ability & comparos with existing PIs, it size, weight, duration etc etc have all been published. Going thru this dealer, buyers luckily won’t be screened for their business allegiances.  ::10 :: I expect a buyer is a buyer, even if a flounder or a moron, or a ML moral defender or engineer. Even those from TC or NT or Qld can buy one ... but I expect it will cost them, like a small gold tax $$.

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There are undoubtedly going to be some bad feelings voiced from a few Minelab dealers. My advice is for them to simply get over it. One of the things that we as Australians should take pride in is that there is always a chance for the little bloke to make a go of things. I am a one man outfit so please get off my back and think of your fellow prospectors. (Bugs)  



Ongoing ranting to 'slag & bag' members here & the QED at every opportunity is so typical of the QED’s critics. Fortunatley there are plenty of open-minded prospectors around, as the tide turns, willing to give the QED a go. Yep, the QED's been long-time discussed & coming. Its performance IS documented but the attributes that impress me most are … its small size, low weight, ruggedness, affordability, ease of use / ergonomics, availability with / without coils  etc, and that its a ground balancing PI. I avoid comparisons with the obvious models for obvious reasons, others should do that. Meanwhile I’m sure there wil be plenty of profit & kudos in it for Goldsearch from the dozens of inquiries & orders they have been received already. But prospectors will still need to find their own gold, in their way, on their patches, not rely on false pics as some want or need to motivate themselves or to improve sales.

Most if not all members here have used ML detectors for years, many still do. So they DO know about PIs, their costs & promised performance with each upgrade / model, including their limitations, as well as their ability to find gold. This has to be established with a QED. What gold is missed is unknown.

Any criticisms & questioning by members here (of IP, competitors products & business practices) over the years have ALL been substantiated - legally, morally & technically. No respondent has been able to justify (legally, morally or rationally) how a company can justify their behaviour, against the interests of consumers (prospectors). Is it because they lack real competition or because thay wish to attack impending competition or was it soley a profit motive ? Who knows, its VERY un-Australian.

Justified scepticism, or even healthy & robust criticism of the QED is welcome as long as its based on a fresh reality, not the old lies / imaginings or distortions from a competitor’s defenders. The QED & its designer / developer, have been supported & defended here for many years, through thick & thin. Finally, in good faith, Bugs even got this competitors 'approval' / authority to use his own technology & IP in his own product!!  Astounding! ::406::

The QEDs history & route to market success I hope will one day be published for prospectors & for posterity, an extension of the Eureka Story, 160+ years on.

So, realign your attitudes / values - keep swimming through the smokin’ spini', make sure you keep wearing your floaties (Huggies) & waterproof / bullet-proof budgies tho.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Tuesday December 6 2016 16:26:33 AEDT PM
Bugwiskers or Doug,
Could you please inform where the QED sits in gold-find performance?
E.g.
If a team searched a new typical outback gold field in undetected ground, half with 5k, half with QED, what would the ratio of gold finds likely be?
If it is used in thrashed areas that have had combinations of detectors and coils pass over it, will it find missed nuggets? If so, what would the mean time between nugget finds very roughly be?
Etc.
I definitely will be ordering a QED!
Thanks!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Tuesday December 6 2016 16:43:55 AEDT PM
If you are a member of this forum then it is worth a look back at the replies #541 and #542 by BW in that very extensive Fightback discussion thread.  

The results shown in both graphs displayed in replies #541 and #542 then it appears to be on par with the ATX and SDC.

Also BW has mentioned in this thread that the QED’s price is around half that of a TDI and a Garrett ATX and if it was around half the price of an SDC then it would be another option for the gold detector scene.

Another advantage may be the QED’s overall weight as BW has mentioned its all up weight to be under 2kg (4.5lbs).

Considering the SDC’s overall weight with batteries installed is 5.7Ibs (2.58Kgs) and the ATX at 6.9Ibs (3.12Kgs) then if the QED’s weight with the 12 Evo coil is still under 2kgs then if one wished to use say an 8” mono or even the 11” ultra-spiral wound mono, which are both lighter than the 12” Evo then the QED would be a viable option also for those where weight of the detector is a governing factor for them.

Looking at the picture of the QED’s control box in the opening post of this thread then it appears to use a different procedure and type of settings to what operates are use too with the other detectors.

Therefore I would think that one would need to have patience to get use too how its settings work to get the max performance from this detector.

I assume BW reasoning behind his detector is to offer a viable option in both cost, weight that will be able to handled mineralised ground on our goldfields without too much depth loss compared to the more expensive detectors.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Tuesday December 6 2016 17:31:56 AEDT PM
Unfortunately, the thread mentioned wont be visible to many. Perhaps charts could be reposted where all interested could have a look see at them ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday December 6 2016 18:25:39 AEDT PM
  

Bugwiskers or Doug,
Could you please inform where the QED sits in gold-find performance?
E.g. If a team searched a new typical outback gold field in undetected ground, half with 5k, half with QED, what would the ratio of gold finds likely be?

If it is used in thrashed areas that have had combinations of detectors and coils pass over it, will it find missed nuggets? If so, what would the mean time between nugget finds very roughly be?



Addressed to Bugs or Doug .... BUT

In my view it would be total guesswork (ie meaningless) to make such a guess / estimate at this stage. Maybe after years of testing one could make such a guess if the operator was the same. The results would also depend on the experience of the operator & many other variables eg coils settings etc. Thats my view. Doug & Bugs' may be different.

Yes Grelourie, not visible to all for good reason. Comparisons HAVE been made of target response (small to large) between a QED 12" NF EVO coil, a GPX4500 ENHANCE 12" NF EVO coil and a  SDC2300 std 8" coil.

...... as well as a QED with 12" NF EVO coil, a Garrett ATX with std coil and a Garrett AT Gold (VLF)

Of course the QED excelled but its up to Bugs to show these graphs IF & WHEN he wishes

 ::62::



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: crazy78 on Tuesday December 6 2016 19:27:43 AEDT PM
 Congratulations Bugwhiskers  ::99::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 6 2016 19:57:07 AEDT PM
  
  

Bugwiskers or Doug,
Could you please inform where the QED sits in gold-find performance?
E.g. If a team searched a new typical outback gold field in undetected ground, half with 5k, half with QED, what would the ratio of gold finds likely be?

If it is used in thrashed areas that have had combinations of detectors and coils pass over it, will it find missed nuggets? If so, what would the mean time between nugget finds very roughly be?



Addressed to Bugs or Doug .... BUT

In my view it would be total guesswork (ie meaningless) to make such a guess / estimate at this stage. Maybe after years of testing one could make such a guess if the operator was the same. The results would also depend on the experience of the operator & many other variables eg coils settings etc. Thats my view. Doug & Bugs' may be different.

Yes Grelourie, not visible to all for good reason. Comparisons HAVE been made of target response (small to large) between a QED 12" NF EVO coil, a GPX4500 ENHANCE 12" NF EVO coil and a  SDC2300 std 8" coil.

...... as well as a QED with 12" NF EVO coil, a Garrett ATX with std coil and a Garrett AT Gold (VLF)

Of course the QED excelled but its up to Bugs to show these graphs IF & WHEN he wishes

 ::62::



Thanks Huego, you answered all the questions perfectly.
A 6" or 8" mono would be perfect for women, kids and the frail.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 7 2016 06:31:07 AEDT AM
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Wednesday December 7 2016 07:40:05 AEDT AM
Quote
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016
Thanks,

Were these tests done with the target on the ground and the coil waved above it ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Wednesday December 7 2016 08:07:36 AEDT AM
hi bugs , placed an order/sent email for one , with goldsearch ,
but have heard nothing not even a conformation of order
would be nice to know were in the line i am
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 7 2016 08:15:19 AEDT AM
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

Detector GB'd, targets sitting on ground and coil swung above it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 7 2016 09:09:39 AEDT AM
  
hi bugs , placed an order/sent email for one , with goldsearch ,
but have heard nothing not even a conformation of order
would be nice to know were in the line i am
cheers red
As advised earlier, Dean has been on leave and is back in the shop today.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Wednesday December 7 2016 09:37:16 AEDT AM
thanks bugs , did not know that
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Wednesday December 7 2016 11:19:13 AEDT AM
Thanks for table BugWiskers (which members like me saw some time ago).

However, I assume that by now there has been more field testing that indicates roughly how often the QED finds gold in previously detected well-known gold fields and what size etc? (The table suggest "most sizes fairly frequently?")

Any idea when http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/ will have more on the QED. I wait in eager anticipation!

Again well done and thanks!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 7 2016 11:40:40 AEDT AM
Thanks Bugs,

Thats very helpful wrt performance & comparing sensitivity.  Its what many were calling for. It puts these detectors in some perspective.

The military grade F1A4M3 is a non standard (modified) version too I understand?

Another category showing MD PRICE and WEIGHT (as tested) would be helpful… or GR could enjoy filling in these 2 critical factors himslef & show Finders members after printing the chart off.

EMI resistance of the QED from what I have seen is exceptional.

We keenly await news from Goldsearch on other details eg warranty, chargers, pricing ... and waiting time.
Aziz, if he were watching this, could pay for his beer (after a few days helping you mount components on QED boards to meet the high demand  ::620::)

 ::62::

Mole? what mole Doug!
http://australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com/new-board-109/sack-the-mole!/


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 7 2016 12:12:18 AEDT PM
  

However, I assume that by now there has been more field testing that indicates roughly how often the QED finds gold in previously detected well-known gold fields and what size etc? (The table suggest "most sizes fairly frequently?")


More field testing? How often? Thats depends on how many QEDs have been out there working old fields & where they have been looking doesnt it?
Bugs has been exceedingly busy focussing on this targeted release date and its implications, not gathering marketing data.

"What the table suggests" is what the likely result will be, if averaged out over a large number of units sold & used.
What gold was missed in old gold fields by others is not ncessarily an indication of a new detectors performance …. holes in sensitivity (adjustable in design), depth performance to deep targets, ground noise, timings selected, target size / shape / surface area, position & experience ... ALL can determine what is found ...or what is missed ie still buried!

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 7 2016 13:08:01 AEDT PM
Dean at Goldsearch Australia and asked me to thank the people who have lodged email info requests but he has no chance of answering them all. Therefore, he is spending his time adding info to the site that should answer most of the questions.


Title: QED Comparison
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 7 2016 13:31:59 AEDT PM
Without cherry picking some analysis from the chart for the QED Marketing Dept  ::419::

Comparing brands models & giving the 243* aggregate score as 100% to the GPX 5000, the industry PI standard, the following shows a comparison as a %

(* Using Aggregate Scores, all round score on small - large metal targets in air tests)

Aggregate       Model             Score       Comments
Score*                              (rel. to GPX 5000)

157                2300                   64%      lower cost, easy to use standard for smaller gold
163                 ATX                    67%      US made PI standard, affordable

226         GPX 4500 (12” EVO)    93%      the PI target for GR & critics
232         GPZ 7000 (14”)           95%      "the disappointer" BUT may offer some advantages
241         QED (12” EVO)            99%   Aust made challenger: most affordable, lightweight & good performer
243         GPX 5000 (12” EVO)    100%    the industry PI performance standard, good all rounder

260         F1A4M3 (12” EVO)       107%   excels all round esp. on depth

* on 17 metal (mostly standardised ie reproduceable) targets (v. small - large, gold, coin alloys & aluminium)

 ::62::

PS: ....detects 30% deeper than 'some' other detectors" (Larry, breaking into a company's 'Marketing Spin' file   ::620::)... which ones Larry? More accurate to say ... "QED goes as deep as the top 10% of all PI detectors!"

More: Poor Larry, former retired capitalist (bank manager), is called a "Wally" socialist lefty by Robby who is on a verbal rampage because a market leader's ethics are brought to account (exposed). Robby has the QED all worked out "I already have enough info to figure out how it will pan out so I'll leave the aimless wandering to you and those that blindly believe he has something." (Robby on Larry & The QED) ... I'm sure we havent given THAT much away  
 ::620:: ::620:: ... after all its all about making a profit isn't it?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday December 7 2016 18:09:11 AEDT PM
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

Nice table, BW .... except:   \|/

Seems you forgot to switch-ON both: [+40%] and [+30%] switches on GPZ7000, or you didn't do proper GB using yellow ferrite ring?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 7 2016 18:34:24 AEDT PM
  
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

Seems you forgot to switch-ON both:[+40%] and [+30%] switches  on GPZ7000, or you didn't do proper GB using yellow ferrite ring?


Are you saying there are "switches" to SELECT the preferred depth increase for the 7000?
Wow!   ::10 :: ::620::

Are they wired to anything? Eg to a Bank Account?  ::10 ::

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Wednesday December 7 2016 19:27:26 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

Seems you forgot to switch-ON both:[+40%] and [+30%] switches  on GPZ7000, or you didn't do proper GB using yellow ferrite ring?






Are you saying there are "switches" to SELECT the preferred depth increase for the 7000?
Wow!   ::10 :: ::620::

Are they wired to anything? Eg to a Bank Account?  ::10 ::

 ::62::

Good one WM6  ::620::

Huego,
 
Your almost right, both switches are disabled in software, you need to swipe your credit card to enable the 30% and 40% options
It's called "We change peoples fortunes" **

** we take the fortune from your bank and put it in our bank.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 7 2016 19:40:28 AEDT PM
  

Huego,
 
Your almost right, both switches are disabled in software, you need to swipe your credit card to enable the 30% and 40% options ...... It's called "We change peoples fortunes" **

** we take the fortune from your bank and put it in our bank.



Thanks ixe4!

I wondered what the notation on the "disable control" switch "WCPF"  stood for.  ::620::

ML would tell prospectors that their shareholders are to blame ... they are so demanding! They must make a profit for everyone*, in part to pay shareholders, managers, patent & defense lawyers, etc etc ... there are SO MANY EXPENSES even when the products are produced off shore.  ::419::

* the more profit, the more tax they pay (usually) ... thats good for everyone eh?

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Marge on Wednesday December 7 2016 20:51:28 AEDT PM
Hi Bugwhiskers congratulation's on completion of the QED I am not a super expert in detecting bot have been doing it for 20 or more years, so I feel I know enough to say your testing (  Detector GB'd, targets sitting on ground and coil swung above it.)is a really a waste of time as no one finds gold or any metal on top of the ground waving a detector over it, sorry but that is the hard truth.
Good luck hope it works out for you  ::402::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Wednesday December 7 2016 20:55:47 AEDT PM
marge ,marge ,marge
i own an minelab sdc2300
and it finds metal lead and gold on the surface
 cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Wednesday December 7 2016 21:28:24 AEDT PM
Have found several "sunbakers" Marge .... just saying


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday December 7 2016 21:56:07 AEDT PM
  
Hi Bugwhiskers congratulation's on completion of the QED I am not a super expert in detecting bot have been doing it for 20 or more years, so I feel I know enough to say your testing (  Detector GB'd, targets sitting on ground and coil swung above it.)is a really a waste of time as no one finds gold or any metal on top of the ground waving a detector over it, sorry but that is the hard truth.
Good luck hope it works out for you  ::402::

The QED has found has found virgin gold and specimens in undisturbed Vic GF ground.It also has been tested on gold nuggets at some test sites where the QED has to detect these though a ground matrix. There are  some  utube videos of some past (very early) prototypes doing exactly this and compared to a 5000  in enhance or fine gold. Their is absolutely NO doubt that the QED can and will detect buried gold in  Vic GF's!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 7 2016 22:15:52 AEDT PM
QUESTIONS:  Adapted & arranged from a ML user / ML believer (but QED doubter) on another forum who prefers to believe the advertising claims of 30% + all the other + x%  + y% for past models. Buyer beware indeed!!   FFS!

Is the QED proven or real?
Unreal (too good to be true) for you maybe, so take it or leave it, who cares, you may miss out, one sale is neither here or there. Others may benefit from your loss

"For years the QED has been promised to be the next best thing and has had set back after set back promise after promise.”
(not worthy of a response...development, while fighting agressors, takes time & energy)

Now it's finally being released l cannot find any actual facts?
(not worthy of a response, he hasen’t looked here... oh now he has and wants more gold used! Duh! )

What proven performance stats or videos from independant (from ML) testers?
Accept it or not, the comparison shown, done in presence of others, even devoted ML owners. Its an easy way to compare detectors on many targets in one place while controlling many variables

Have any claims eg performance tests been been proven or verified.
More proof & verification will follow with gold finds (good & bad)

Are QED prices good value (ie better than “realistic”)?
Depends what you compare it to …. a 7000? a 19” coil , a 5000? what? Looks outstanding value to me!

Is the QED a "quality product” :
The maker can answer that, I believe so from what I have seen.

Can it "out-perform the opposistion by a country mile” :
Depends. Look at the comparison then take it or leave it, or forget it.

"Only Promises that it has found gold.”  (What how when where depth has not be stated or proven?):
Doug has answered that. He does not lie. You may or may not believe it … it doesnt matter, its a metal detector (see above) … time will show evidence from gold others find, that you miss. ::419::

How financial is/are the producers of the QED in relation to returns or faults under warranty?
I am not sure if they (manufacturer / dealer) have insurance (imagine they do), or if they have bought tickets to a TAX haven  ::402::

If a full recall & refund is required (due to the QED not performing as stated or being just completely a total dud) would we get our money back?
A full recall because its "a dud" or not performing is most unlikely. Make sure you understand any claims for performance that are made so you are NOT misled.  (I 've seen NO advertising or performance claims or promises yet.)

Do ML have insurance cover on their IP or their designer? .(.. "if he goes under a bus, the're stuffed" quoting Reg) Hmmmm?

 ::62::

PS: These are my answers, not Bugs, based on my understanding of the QED


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday December 7 2016 22:32:22 AEDT PM
 Its also worth noting that the TDI pro which another poster on finders ("barratrooper1") quite liked is now I am told no longer available, only a cheaper cut down version. BW  is confident that the QED will beat the TDI for sensitivity and depth and handle the ground just as well.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 7 2016 22:35:02 AEDT PM
  
  
Hi Bugwhiskers congratulation's on completion of the QED I am not a super expert in detecting bot have been doing it for 20 or more years, so I feel I know enough to say your testing (  Detector GB'd, targets sitting on ground and coil swung above it.)is a really a waste of time as no one finds gold or any metal on top of the ground waving a detector over it, sorry but that is the hard truth.
Good luck hope it works out for you  ::402::

The QED has found has found virgin gold and specimens in undisturbed Vic GF ground.It also has been tested on gold nuggets at some test sites where the QED has to detect these though a ground matrix. There are  some  utube videos of some past (very early) prototypes doing exactly this and compared to a 5000  in enhance or fine gold. Their is absolutely NO doubt that the QED can and will detect buried gold in  Vic GF's!
doug
::419::

They come outa the woodwork with a red herring when least expected hey DOUG?  ::620::

Its amazing how some can't or refuse to understand that this test was NOT a "gold finding" excercise but an easy way to compare detectors performance against many targets (all metal, like solid gold nuggets are). Its a detector comparison! Not ideal but its a relatively quick & easy once set up on gold bearing ground.
Removing as many variables as possible is good scientific practice when testing products.

As Doug said, in-ground testing (at test sites / gullies) has also been done a number of times. Buryiing these targets underground could also have been done but to little advantage & much more work. Aggregate numbers would have been different, scaled down. So little benefit.

 ::62::

Even a QED defender has to eat & rest!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday December 7 2016 23:22:54 AEDT PM
Doug, Im barratrooper1. For some reason, this site wouldnt let me use that name, dosnt matter.
what I liked about the TDI pro, was the internal battery and speaker, it was light, and a pretty good detetctor, but really lacked depth, and just didnt "see" a lot of gold. What im excited about the QED, is the internal battery, don, t know if it has an internal speaker, I hope so, but I can live with it if it dosn, t.
I really want one these QED, s and I don, t care about other peoples opinions or speculation, chest thumping or what ever at this stage, im getting one asap. Im based in Darwin, and look forward to giving you guys feed back from up this way, as Im sure Gef will to.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Thursday December 8 2016 00:08:03 AEDT AM
I expect that understanding its settings will be the challenge and key to its success.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 8 2016 05:48:16 AEDT AM
The link to my YouTube videos.

https://www.youtube.com/user/bugwhiskers


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Prospector_Al on Thursday December 8 2016 08:32:29 AEDT AM
  
The link to my YouTube videos.

https://www.youtube.com/user/bugwhiskers


Hi BW,  You have demonstrated an incredible amount of determination and persistence--you deserve to be rewarded greatly for this effort.  Congratulations!

Prospector_Al


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 8 2016 11:22:11 AEDT AM
  
  
The link to my YouTube videos.

https://www.youtube.com/user/bugwhiskers


Hi BW,  You have demonstrated an incredible amount of determination and persistence--you deserve to be rewarded greatly for this effort.  Congratulations!

Prospector_Al
Thanks Al, much appreciated.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Thursday December 8 2016 12:56:52 AEDT PM
hi all , im having trouble in finding the QED on goldsearch site
has anyone been able to find the QED add ,
need help
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 8 2016 13:08:35 AEDT PM
  
Doug, Im barratrooper1. For some reason, this site wouldnt let me use that name, dosnt matter.
what I liked about the TDI pro, was the internal battery and speaker, it was light, and a pretty good detetctor, but really lacked depth, and just didnt "see" a lot of gold. What im excited about the QED, is the internal battery, don, t know if it has an internal speaker, I hope so, but I can live with it if it dosn, t.
I really want one these QED, s and I don, t care about other peoples opinions or speculation, chest thumping or what ever at this stage, im getting one asap. Im based in Darwin, and look forward to giving you guys feed back from up this way, as Im sure Gef will to.
The QED is quite different in a few areas to other detectors.
Firstly, the Earth Field cancellation is user adjustable.
The threshold adjustment is also very different.
Ground Balance is about creating a null for the ground. This is achieved by using an electronic equivalent of an old fashioned balance beam or scales. This was used by Eric Foster while hand held PI detectors were in still in their infancy. When the signal from the ground is broken up and put on different sides of the balance beam then the ground is nulled or cancelled. There are certain targets that have a characteristic or Time Constant that are similar to the ground and the response to them will be greatly diminished. These targets fall into what is called the "Detection Hole". The function on the QED called BIAS is used to raise the signal that is either side of the detection hole. An OZ 5 cent piece is on one side of the "hole" and the OZ $2 coin is on the other side. Understanding how the null works and it's adjustment is very beneficial to get the best out of the QED particularly for very small nuggets.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 8 2016 13:10:22 AEDT PM
  
hi all , im having trouble in finding the QED on goldsearch site
has anyone been able to find the QED add ,
need help
cheers red
Dean is very busy updating the site.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Thursday December 8 2016 15:25:39 AEDT PM
Poor Dean he must be stressing out  :-)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Thursday December 8 2016 19:06:06 AEDT PM
  
Poor Dean he must be stressing out  :-)

Especially when he got some consulting help from ML web designers.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Tathradj on Thursday December 8 2016 19:38:37 AEDT PM
Stunning answer Cobber.
                                       I have a lay mans knowledge of basic electronics. LOL
May I ask, What frequency does the QED run on. ?
You may PM me if you wish. :) :)
Every one must understand what Eric had back in those days with cumbersome boards etc, etc. But these days we have small programmed chips that far out do what back then would boggle the human mind. I am not a nay sayer in any way and also except that some times something comes along that is " New " but based on old technology that these days which has been reinvented with the simple processing power we have.
I seen the hole effect and the magnetic field comments you have. The Black Hole above a metallic target with all variables included has me very, very intrigued. :) :)
So the circuit can see what wave form exists each side of a null point. :) :)
That is Nano Seconds stuff.
Well Done Cobber. :) :) :)
 

  
  
Doug, Im barratrooper1. For some reason, this site wouldnt let me use that name, dosnt matter.
what I liked about the TDI pro, was the internal battery and speaker, it was light, and a pretty good detetctor, but really lacked depth, and just didnt "see" a lot of gold. What im excited about the QED, is the internal battery, don, t know if it has an internal speaker, I hope so, but I can live with it if it dosn, t.
I really want one these QED, s and I don, t care about other peoples opinions or speculation, chest thumping or what ever at this stage, im getting one asap. Im based in Darwin, and look forward to giving you guys feed back from up this way, as Im sure Gef will to.
The QED is quite different in a few areas to other detectors.
Firstly, the Earth Field cancellation is user adjustable.
The threshold adjustment is also very different.
Ground Balance is about creating a null for the ground. This is achieved by using an electronic equivalent of an old fashioned balance beam or scales. This was used by Eric Foster while hand held PI detectors were in still in their infancy. When the signal from the ground is broken up and put on different sides of the balance beam then the ground is nulled or cancelled. There are certain targets that have a characteristic or Time Constant that are similar to the ground and the response to them will be greatly diminished. These targets fall into what is called the "Detection Hole". The function on the QED called BIAS is used to raise the signal that is either side of the detection hole. An OZ 5 cent piece is on one side of the "hole" and the OZ $2 coin is on the other side. Understanding how the null works and it's adjustment is very beneficial to get the best out of the QED particularly for very small nuggets.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 8 2016 20:09:43 AEDT PM
The cycle time is no big secret, 1.2KHz. It's evenly divisible by 50 & 60 so the patented Synchronous Mains Rejection works with a change of just one number in the firmware.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday December 10 2016 08:54:45 AEDT AM
hi bugs , any chance of getting a post of the qed manual
at least we can get a heads up on controls  ::10 ::
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday December 10 2016 10:37:17 AEDT AM
AT LAST .... the QED has LANDED as a NEW PRODUCT announced on Goldsearch and for sale ....


QED (Complete)
$1,800.00

Designed & manufactured in Australia.
Large range of optional search coils.
Backlit display, Manual Ground Balance, Simple power on / off.
Superb EMI immunity & Unparalleled Earth Field cancellation.


see: http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/our-products/new-products.html

 ::62::

PS: I expect more info will be posted soon eg on the "user manual" etc

"AVAILABLE SOON"


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday December 10 2016 10:39:48 AEDT AM
hi all , found the add at goldsearch
 just go to goldsearch web site then click on,our products menu, then new products menu,
 and bingo QED is on the list  ::10 ::
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday December 10 2016 12:47:02 AEDT PM
Great news, congrats!
Can anyone tell me if it has an internal speaker?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday December 10 2016 14:50:27 AEDT PM
  

Great news, congrats!
Can anyone tell me if it has an internal speaker?


Hi Dave / BT:

I dont think it has. The phone jack output could be used for a speaker I guess.

Bugs can confirm that.

Huego


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday December 10 2016 14:56:43 AEDT PM
No worries, will look at putting one of the minelab kits on it, lol! Hasn't been released yet, but should work great. Nice light unit, internal battery, wireless speaker/phones....should be perfect.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: IBGold on Saturday December 10 2016 17:00:51 AEDT PM
  
No worries, will look at putting one of the minelab kits on it, lol! Hasn't been released yet, but should work great. Nice light unit, internal battery, wireless speaker/phones....should be perfect.

Hi all,

I have not talked about the QED for obvious reasons but now can congratulate Howard on everything finally coming to fruition I have been involved in testing ETC. for a few years and can confirm it does find gold and is in my opinion equal to a GPX 5000 in most cases and better in some cases it is excellent with  Wi-Fi head phones I use TDK WR700 and they are plug and play and work a treat those who were brought  up with manual G.B will find it easy to G.B others will soon get the hang of it, the two most important controls are the Bias and the Volume settings but once you get the hang of it it is intuitive I have had it on ground that is around 70% iron content which was near impossible to ground balance with other detectors but was no problem with the QED,  Davent talk to Buggs about a speaker he should be able to put you in touch with a supplier as he has one that plugs straight in I have one here but I have only just returned from W.A so when I have unpacked I will find the box and give you its name and model number.

Regards, Ian. ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday December 10 2016 17:37:51 AEDT PM
Good onya Ian, look forward to getting hold of the QED, will run headphones until I get a wireless set up, 1st things 1st.
There are patches of ground up here where I can't ground balance my 4500, and other areas where its pretty hot, can't get out of enhance anywhere, and sometimes need to drop gain as low as 5, stabiliser down to 7, and even then, have beeps and squeeks through the threshold. If I can run a smooth threshold and a high gain with an evo coil where I go, Ii reckon the QED will kill it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Saturday December 10 2016 22:17:51 AEDT PM
Quote
gain as low as 5, stabiliser down to 7


If you have the gain at 5 have you tried the stab at 3 ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday December 10 2016 23:16:28 AEDT PM
Tried heaps of different settings, try and keep the stab as high a number as I can, on a great day, I can have gain up to 8 and stab 11, average day, gain 7  stab 9, as the day goes into late afternoon, it starts to get worse.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday December 10 2016 23:18:33 AEDT PM
Will flog the QED hard until I start to understand it, but I'm thinking it will handle my conditions better than my 4500, which should lead to better performance.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Sunday December 11 2016 11:13:00 AEDT AM
  

Hi all,

I have not talked about the QED for obvious reasons but now can congratulate Howard on everything finally coming to fruition. I have been involved in testing... for a few years and can confirm it does find gold and is in my opinion equal to a GPX 5000 in most cases and better in some cases it is excellent with  Wi-Fi head phones I use TDK WR700 and they are plug and play and work a treat. Those who were brought  up with manual G.B will find it easy to G.B others will soon get the hang of it, the two most important controls are the Bias and the Volume settings but once you get the hang of it it is intuitive. I have had it on ground that is around 70% iron content which was near impossible to ground balance with other detectors but was no problem with the QED,  ....

Regards, Ian. ::62::



Thanks for your report Ian & for your many years of QED testing and feedback.

if its "as good or better than a 5000" it will have achieved its long-term goal, kicking the "nay sayers” and critics between their goal posts. Ouch!

More reports I expect will follow in due course as the critics are just itchin' to find something to fault.

If it falls short on some occassions, in comparison with PIs costing many thousands more, that is also OK as it excel in its many other features. The ease of use & affordability without a "gold tax" is a BIG positive. Its ability to ground balance on noisy ground & monitor changes in mineralisation (iron content oft associated with gold) as you describe is a good thing even if annoying sometimes, requiring frequent GBing.

I will defintely get the cordless phones as cords are a big annoyance to me.

Cheers and thanks again Ian  ::419::

Huego   ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Sunday December 11 2016 17:40:55 AEDT PM
Are there any vacancies open for assemblers and packers ? I expect initial response from the public has been overwhelming, to put it mildly..


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday December 11 2016 18:53:45 AEDT PM
  
Are there any vacancies open for assemblers and packers ? I expect initial response from the public has been overwhelming, to put it mildly..


Guess what I will be doing over Christmas.... soldering !


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Sunday December 11 2016 20:25:42 AEDT PM
  
  
Are there any vacancies open for assemblers and packers ? I expect initial response from the public has been overwhelming, to put it mildly..


Guess what I will be doing over Christmas.... soldering !

Get a big fan. lol  ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Sunday December 11 2016 21:16:12 AEDT PM
Thanks for the report Ian .. Will be interesting to go over old ground and give a swing with this little beasty...Guess ur bottom shelfing your 2000M.
 A wireless setup seems the go as suggested Huego. Bugs you may need some of Santa's little helpers .. Hate to think of your work load. Oh well it shouldnt be long now then...... ::05:: ::05::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Fishrover on Sunday December 11 2016 21:17:43 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Are there any vacancies open for assemblers and packers ? I expect initial response from the public has been overwhelming, to put it mildly..


Guess what I will be doing over Christmas.... soldering !

Get a big fan. lol  ::62::
It doesn't get that hot in Ballarat, ... even at Christmas time !
Congratulations Bugs, it's been a long haul but you made it.

Cheers,
F


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Sunday December 11 2016 23:03:26 AEDT PM
Firstly congratulations to myself ( I'm not banned - surprised ) .. Secondly congratulations to BW for finally making it over the line.

Further with no disrespect I would like to question the published target data for the GPZ7000 which is listed at around 13.5 / 15 inches for the AUD $2 / $1 coin. The GPZ7000 detects a $2 coin at 19 inches and the $1 coin at 21 inches. The ranges published earlier would seem to be for a detector set to factory default ... which is very conservative.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Monday December 12 2016 02:43:37 AEDT AM
  
  
  
  
Are there any vacancies open for assemblers and packers ? I expect initial response from the public has been overwhelming, to put it mildly..


Guess what I will be doing over Christmas.... soldering !

Get a big fan. lol  ::62::


It doesn't get that hot in Ballarat, ... even at Christmas time !
Congratulations Bugs, it's been a long haul but you made it.

Cheers,
F

For the fumes from soldering.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Monday December 12 2016 06:58:02 AEDT AM
Thanks for the report IB Gold. May I enquire as to where the “70% iron” area was please?


Bugwiskers: Heaps of soldering = lots of orders though! Happy Christmas!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Monday December 12 2016 11:07:20 AEDT AM
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 13:05:29 AEDT PM
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEbSLeyfw3c

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday December 12 2016 13:12:45 AEDT PM
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/wa

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 13:15:09 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/wa

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug ::419::

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday December 12 2016 13:17:18 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/wa

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug ::419::

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday December 12 2016 13:26:41 AEDT PM
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 13:29:23 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/wa

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug ::419::

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug ::419::
Ok ... here it is ...

There are three new features ...

1. Power recycling TX pulse.
2. Low Q damping method.
3. Noise / EF  cancellation.

The fourth feature .. ground balance is not shown however it can  be deduced from the cct .

This is an informational disclosure - patent(s) applicable.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday December 12 2016 13:42:07 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/wa

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug ::419::

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug ::419::
Ok ... here it is ...

There are three new features ...

1. Power recycling TX pulse.
2. Low Q damping method.
3. Noise / EF  cancellation.

The fourth feature .. ground balance is not shown however it can  be deduced from the cct .

This is an informational disclosure - patent(s) applicable.



Is it going to be  commercialized?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 13:48:09 AEDT PM
  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug ::419::

So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 13:51:51 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Looking at test results again …. What does "DIFF / HY" stand for in the 7000 settings? …. Differential & High Yield?
I assume the proud 7000 owner / user set up conditions that were optimal for the 7000, for test objects sitting on that (hot?) ground

Maybe in a horizontal air test (not on-ground) all the MDs would do better? Maybe 30-40% better!!  ::10 ::

As I cant be sure of test conditions used in MD comparo, Bugs is best answering that if he wishes. But I can make LIGHT HUMOUR of it .. but always with a touch of reality!  ::419::

As WM6 suggested there are switches for 30% & 40% turbo boost to detection in some detectors (made by marketing depts). Now massage the figures with these two boost modes. With no disrespect to Moodz, is it a conicidence that a 30% improvement & 40% turbo boost to stated figure for 7000 at test site for 2 coins on goldfield ground give:

   13.5" + 30% =17.5”    (19”? by Moodz)
   15    + 30% = 19.5”    (21”? by Moodz)


   13.5" + 40% = 19” (19”) spot on with what Moodz claims he can get in air tests
   15"    + 40% = 21” (21”) spot on again! Isnt that a co-incidence?

I wonder what the QED - PL “turbo" can provide in same circumstances if the two promotional figures of "30% & 40% better” were applied and switched on?

 ::62::


Hi Huego ... yes it is somewhat coincidental that the figures I measured are about 40% better than the factory defaults ... however the proof is always in the pudding or the digging in this case.

Here is a quick and dirty video on the matter .... this has been confirmed on a number of GPZs BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/wa

The factory default settings were probably set so the detector did not overload when it was first fired up after unpacking ( eg in the lounge inside your house ). However in the bush this default effectively reduces sensitivity alot.

I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.

So you have abandoned your detector projects it seems?
doug ::419::

check Geotech ... its public but still has patents ;-)

Can't see it on Geotech as I am still banned there!!!
doug ::419::
Ok ... here it is ...

There are three new features ...

1. Power recycling TX pulse.
2. Low Q damping method.
3. Noise / EF  cancellation.

The fourth feature .. ground balance is not shown however it can  be deduced from the cct .

This is an informational disclosure - patent(s) applicable.



Is it going to be  commercialized?
doug ::419::

The IP is for sale  ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday December 12 2016 13:54:17 AEDT PM
  
  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug ::419::

So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?

No! its the GB method used!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 14:00:44 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug ::419::

So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?

No! its the GB method used!
doug ::419::
It still does not explain the anomalous results for the GPZ on the $1 and $2 coins ... the GPZ is simply not that bad on any ground  ( except maybe wet salty clay )     These results are very bad and point to a user error or faulty detector.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday December 12 2016 14:17:35 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
I am digging up alot of targets at depth  in ground that has been well gone over by GPXs with 20 inch coils. The digging and the weight of the GPZ are not for  the light hearted prospector.
Much of vic  GF ground requires that the gpx be run in smooth timings  with mono coils.We know that for a range of targets with long Tc (including some  nuggets!) this can result  in depth losses compared to non smooth timings of up to 40%. So you are probably only getting back the depth lost by Gpx's run in smooth timings!
doug ::419::

So does that mean the target test data for the GPX is 40% out also ?

No! its the GB method used!
doug ::419::
It still does not explain the anomalous results for the GPZ on the $1 and $2 coins ... the GPZ is simply not that bad on any ground  ( except maybe wet salty clay )     These results are very bad and point to a user error or faulty detector.

I was referring to the GPX smooth GB method not the SAD7000 GB method. Maybe their are more faulty coils or SAD 7000"s than we think?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Monday December 12 2016 15:33:18 AEDT PM
I have kept quiet about the tests results so far because I did not wish to rock a boat full of happy forum members, and hopefully who will continue to be happy when they can test the QED for themselves.

However, it would be amiss not to say….

when the table was listed, several friends from different locations in Aus & I were immediately surprised at the results, and upon checking with “repeatable” $1 and $2, got independently the same results as each other with the 7k using HY Difficult (Al plates not tested). Our depths were significantly more than those indicated in the table provided here. I will leave it at that, and suggest to others to do your own more comprehensive testing.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Monday December 12 2016 15:57:12 AEDT PM
Maybe the GPZ used for the results in the table here was one of the bad ones like what happened on another forum with a GPZ that was well below what it should have achieved in an air test on a 5c coin that ML apparently said it should achieve in air test on a 5c coin with a GPZ and its 14" DOD.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 12 2016 16:48:43 AEDT PM
Members please note that this return by Moodz to the forum is after quite a long absence. One of his last posts before he vanished was a "Legal Threat" directed at me. He has now returned and is trying to hijack this thread which is about the launch of the QED by turning it into a marketing exercise for the GPZ7000.  If he has any connection with Minelab whatsoever he should disclose it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 17:50:37 AEDT PM
  
Members please note that this return by Moodz to the forum is after quite a long absence. One of his last posts before he vanished was a "Legal Threat" directed at me. He has now returned and is trying to hijack this thread which is about the launch of the QED by turning it into a marketing exercise for the GPZ7000.  If he has any connection with Minelab whatsoever he should disclose it.

I have only questioned the validity of the test results for the GPZ ( which is ON topic ) in the comparison chart. This is on the basis of my own ( and apparently others ) knowledge regarding what this result should be.

Any invasion of a members right to privacy is contemptible. I dont enquire nor am interested in anyones associations commercial / religious or otherwise .... but just for your own edification 1. I sell IP that I generate ( ie make ) to anyone who will buy it.   2. Companies buy or licence IP from people/companies who make it and generally they provide some compensation for that.
That does not mean that a permanent or any association is formed between the supplier and the reciever other than the event itself. You join the dots.

But just in case that is not clear I DONT have any current association with ML.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 12 2016 18:51:22 AEDT PM
Moodz, the early question was an easy one. Now for a harder question. Did you buy or do you own the GPZ7000 in the video. I don't see anybody else present at the test and you must surely have more than a beginners experience to set it up to get the results shown.
How about you start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one for your own agenda.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: moodz on Monday December 12 2016 20:25:55 AEDT PM
The ownership of GPZs or anything else for that matter is definitely off topic here. As for the tests they are definitely ON topic as the given values for the GPZ are not representative of the correct sensitivity. In the interests of truth and the integrity / impartiality / objectivity of the test compiler the results should be retested or removed. How can anyone compare apples with apples. Its not going to hurt your product. Bang for Buck the QED will win.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 12 2016 21:37:11 AEDT PM
At least we can agree on the bang for buck.
Feel free to start another thread to keep the GPZ 7000 defense going.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday December 13 2016 09:54:12 AEDT AM
  
At least we can agree on the bang for buck.
Feel free to start another thread to keep the GPZ 7000 defense going.

The Moodz test results are flawed! Look very carefully at his video! Anyway the QED with a 14" mono coil will come very close to his claimed SAD7000 figures and I think would match  them with an 18" mono. And  the QED will do this with almost no interference from EM!
This thread is about the QED so any more posts about the SAD7000 will be moved.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Tuesday December 13 2016 09:57:54 AEDT AM
hi bugs , any chance of getting a look at the qed manual
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 13 2016 10:27:46 AEDT AM
  
hi bugs , any chance of getting a look at the qed manual
cheers red

It will appear on the Goldsearch site soon. Meanwhile I am happy to answer specific questions.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 13 2016 10:30:56 AEDT AM
  
  
At least we can agree on the bang for buck.
Feel free to start another thread to keep the GPZ 7000 defense going.

The Moodz test results are flawed! Look very carefully at his video! Anyway the QED with a 14" mono coil will come very close to his claimed SAD7000 figures and I think would match  them with an 18" mono. And  the QED will do this with almost no interference from EM!
This thread is about the QED so any more posts about the SAD7000 will be moved.
doug ::419::

A thread dedicated to GPZ7000 test results would be beneficial.
Consumers always like to know if they have a Stud or a Dud.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 14:10:31 AEDT PM
The attached pic shows the QED mounted with a 6 cell AA battery holder.
The reasons for the change are as follows.
It has been pointed out to me that the supply of potentially dangerous Lithium batteries is not a good idea for a fledgling Company. Sending detectors overseas that contain lithium batteries would also be problematic.  If individuals want to run the detector from Lithium batteries they of course can but they take full responsibility.
Info can be supplied on how to connect them.
As a result of this advice the QED will now be supplied with a 10 cell charger that is mains or car cigarette lighter socket powered. 12 rechargeable batteries and the battery holder fitted.
One set of 6 cells will last around 4 hours. Alkaline cells can also be used if required.
Another alternative is a battery box that is mounted to the rear of the detector handle that would also serve to counterbalance the weight of the coil.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday December 14 2016 14:28:38 AEDT PM
  
The attached pic shows the QED mounted with a 6 cell AA battery holder.
The reasons for the change are as follows.
It has been pointed out to me that the supply of potentially dangerous Lithium batteries is not a good idea for a fledgling Company. Sending detectors overseas that contain lithium batteries would also be problematic.  If individuals want to run the detector from Lithium batteries they of course can but they take full responsibility.
Info can be supplied on how to connect them.
As a result of this advice the QED will now be supplied with a 10 cell charger that is mains or car cigarette lighter socket powered. 12 rechargeable batteries and the battery holder fitted.
One set of 6 cells will last around 4 hours. Alkaline cells can also be used if required.
Another alternative is a battery box that is mounted to the rear of the detector handle that would also serve to counterbalance the weight of the coil.

Can Goldsearch supply a li ion battery pack and charger(mains/12 volt) if requested?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 14:42:59 AEDT PM
  
  
The attached pic shows the QED mounted with a 6 cell AA battery holder.
The reasons for the change are as follows.
It has been pointed out to me that the supply of potentially dangerous Lithium batteries is not a good idea for a fledgling Company. Sending detectors overseas that contain lithium batteries would also be problematic.  If individuals want to run the detector from Lithium batteries they of course can but they take full responsibility.
Info can be supplied on how to connect them.
As a result of this advice the QED will now be supplied with a 10 cell charger that is mains or car cigarette lighter socket powered. 12 rechargeable batteries and the battery holder fitted.
One set of 6 cells will last around 4 hours. Alkaline cells can also be used if required.
Another alternative is a battery box that is mounted to the rear of the detector handle that would also serve to counterbalance the weight of the coil.

Can Goldsearch supply a li ion battery pack and charger(mains/12 volt) if requested?
doug ::419::

Yes, but people fitting them do so at their own risk
The charger that will be supplied charges the cells individually avoiding the problems of charge imbalance as discussed in the link below.
This provides another strong case for the use of a cell holder rather than a "battery pack".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_balancing


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday December 14 2016 15:33:07 AEDT PM
  
  
  
The attached pic shows the QED mounted with a 6 cell AA battery holder.
The reasons for the change are as follows.
It has been pointed out to me that the supply of potentially dangerous Lithium batteries is not a good idea for a fledgling Company. Sending detectors overseas that contain lithium batteries would also be problematic.  If individuals want to run the detector from Lithium batteries they of course can but they take full responsibility.
Info can be supplied on how to connect them.
As a result of this advice the QED will now be supplied with a 10 cell charger that is mains or car cigarette lighter socket powered. 12 rechargeable batteries and the battery holder fitted.
One set of 6 cells will last around 4 hours. Alkaline cells can also be used if required.
Another alternative is a battery box that is mounted to the rear of the detector handle that would also serve to counterbalance the weight of the coil.

Can Goldsearch supply a li ion battery pack and charger(mains/12 volt) if requested?
doug ::419::

Yes, but people fitting them do so at their own risk
The charger that will be supplied charges the cells individually avoiding the problems of charge imbalance as discussed in the link below.
This provides another strong case for the use of a cell holder rather than a "battery pack".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_balancing

What chemistry are the 12 rechargeable batteries?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Wednesday December 14 2016 16:08:49 AEDT PM
Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) would be safer as what the SDC 2300 use except they use a "C" cell size.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday December 14 2016 16:14:07 AEDT PM
  
Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) would be safer as what the SDC2300 use except they use a "C" cell size.
I agree. but he only problem with them is their high discharge rate when not being used.They need to be kept  fully charged otherwise they have a shortened life.'
Enaloop batteries could be another possibility?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Wednesday December 14 2016 16:19:35 AEDT PM
  
  
Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) would be safer as what the SDC2300 use except they use a "C" cell size.
I agree. but he only problem with them is their high discharge rate when not being used.They need to be kept  fully charged otherwise they have a shortened life.'
Enaloop batteries could be another possibility?
doug ::419::

Okay did some research in regards to both types and their Self Discharge Rate.

NiMH retains 50 - 80% @ 6 months

Lithium retains 80% @ 15 years



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 16:23:08 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) would be safer as what the SDC2300 use except they use a "C" cell size.
I agree. but he only problem with them is their high discharge rate when not being used.They need to be kept  fully charged otherwise they have a shortened life.'
Enaloop batteries could be another possibility?
doug ::419::

Okay did some research in regards to both types and their Self Discharge Rate.

NiMH retains 50 - 80% @ 6 months

Lithium retains 80% @ 15 years



Only a problem if you detect once a month. Easy fix, charge before you set out.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 16:24:20 AEDT PM


What chemistry are the 12 rechargeable batteries?
doug ::419::
[/quote]

NiMH


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday December 14 2016 16:50:16 AEDT PM
OK, so I have already ordered a QED.
What will be supplied? I'm not really interested in a 4 hour operating pack. So I want the li ion pack, is that included in the 1800 I agreed to pay?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 17:00:34 AEDT PM
  
OK, so I have already ordered a QED.
What will be supplied? I'm not really interested in a 4 hour operating pack. So I want the li ion pack, is that included in the 1800 I agreed to pay?

I will talk to Dean and get back you you.
The new battery arrangement will give around 8 hours of detection time. Another 6 pack (by putting in fresh charged) will give 12 hours.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 17:24:52 AEDT PM
  
OK, so I have already ordered a QED.
What will be supplied? I'm not really interested in a 4 hour operating pack. So I want the li ion pack, is that included in the 1800 I agreed to pay?

The price is being revised down due to the change to NiMH batteries.
I suggest you call Dean tomorrow.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday December 14 2016 17:42:57 AEDT PM
Personally i think any external batteries or external battery packs are a bad idea.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday December 14 2016 17:48:14 AEDT PM
I agree Doug, one of the reasons the QED is attractive to me is getting away from external battery. What about a set up like the whites mxt as pack that fits internally?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 17:48:52 AEDT PM
Refer to the problems of battery charge balancing.
With a battery pack if one cell fails you throw the whole pack away. With individual cells the failed cell can be easily replaced.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 17:51:07 AEDT PM
  
Personally i think any external batteries or external battery packs are a bad idea.
doug ::419::

The new safer arrangement offers the same advantage in that the battery lead is very short and can't be caught on shrubbery.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 17:54:16 AEDT PM
The changes to powering of the detector have been made to decrease the risk factor.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 18:08:05 AEDT PM
  
I agree Doug, one of the reasons the QED is attractive to me is getting away from external battery. What about a set up like the whites mxt as pack that fits internally?

It will still have the problem of charge imbalance which shortens battery life.
If you are in the bush and your Li Ion battery fails it's a long miserable drive home.
With individual common AA cells a service station may have packs of AA Alkaline cells that will save your day.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday December 14 2016 18:15:42 AEDT PM
No, it is AA pack, that you load with disposable aa cells, or rechargables, that fits inside the battery well. I had one and it was a good set up. Dean should have the whites one.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 19:13:34 AEDT PM
  
No, it is AA pack, that you load with disposable aa cells, or rechargables, that fits inside the battery well. I had one and it was a good set up. Dean should have the whites one.

Check that out with Dean when you phone him tomorrow.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday December 14 2016 19:38:34 AEDT PM
  

The attached pic shows the QED mounted with a 6 cell AA battery holder.

One set of 6 cells will last around 4 hours. Alkaline cells can also be used if required.


This solution could be very handy for on terrain replacement.
Only need cells to be protected from fall out from holder, with some sort of elastic band or alike.

Todays 2400mAh AA NiMH cells are widely available.
Is QED power consumption 600mA to get 4 working hours?

Do we take from batteries one single voltage, in case of alkaline 9V?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 14 2016 20:06:44 AEDT PM
  
  

The attached pic shows the QED mounted with a 6 cell AA battery holder.

One set of 6 cells will last around 4 hours. Alkaline cells can also be used if required.


This solution could be very handy for on terrain replacement.
Only need cells to be protected from fall out from holder, with some sort of elastic band or alike.

Todays 2400mAh AA NiMH cells are widely available.
Is QED power consumption 600mA to get 4 working hours?

Do we take from batteries one single voltage, in case of alkaline 9V?

The cells claim 2350 mAH and the average current draw is 450mA
I am yet to find rechargeable batteries that live up to their ratings.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Wednesday December 14 2016 20:16:13 AEDT PM
Only battery that may fit ? would be the camera battery pack model BP-945 ..
but will have to be soldered in place and ye .. bit of mucking around ..
I use them on my machine 6.8Ah

the Enaloop batteries are a good suggestion Doug these are AA .. 2Ah I think

Ye the transportation of the Li batteries is the issue


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Alex on Wednesday December 14 2016 20:28:14 AEDT PM
congrats bw


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Wednesday December 14 2016 20:40:15 AEDT PM
Laptops and mob phones contain potentially dangerous Lithium batteries ... only samsung got it wrong  ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday December 15 2016 02:32:20 AEDT AM
  
Only battery that may fit ? would be the camera battery pack model BP-945 ..
but will have to be soldered in place and ye .. bit of mucking around ..
I use them on my machine 6.8Ah

the Enaloop batteries are a good suggestion Doug these are AA .. 2Ah I think

Ye the transportation of the Li batteries is the issue
ow hard would it be to fit one of these gef? and i guess it would have to be removed to be charged?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Thursday December 15 2016 09:59:31 AEDT AM
Bugwhiskers, I placed an order some time ago, and am so keen to get the QED that I am happy to accept one without batteries with no responsibility for you not providing any. Will this be OK to get one without batteries now please? Just so long as I know the voltage I can take personal responsibility for the batteries and any fault created by me for connecting them. I know several others thinking the same way.

Thanks!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 15 2016 10:50:52 AEDT AM
  
Bugwhiskers, I placed an order some time ago, and am so keen to get the QED that I am happy to accept one without batteries with no responsibility for you not providing any. Will this be OK to get one without batteries now please? Just so long as I know the voltage I can take personal responsibility for the batteries and any fault created by me for connecting them. I know several others thinking the same way.

Thanks!


Please address all sales related enquiries to Dean at Goldsearch Australia.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Thursday December 15 2016 13:14:21 AEDT PM
Thanks for your prompt reply Bugwiskers.

Asked you directly because Dean will simply have to relay the request back to you anyway, and then get back with your response to me. Takes time and I will be in the gold fields soon for a couple of weeks & was hoping to use the QED during this trip, but time is of the essence in collecting a QED before leaving.

Again, thanks!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 15 2016 15:14:30 AEDT PM
  
Thanks for your prompt reply Bugwiskers.

Asked you directly because Dean will simply have to relay the request back to you anyway, and then get back with your response to me. Takes time and I will be in the gold fields soon for a couple of weeks & was hoping to use the QED during this trip, but time is of the essence in collecting a QED before leaving.

Again, thanks!


Which Goldfields are you going to detect?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: IBGold on Thursday December 15 2016 17:01:58 AEDT PM
Hi for those interested the speaker we have been using while testing the QED is a Nokia Mini Speaker Model MD-11 mounted on the shaft with an angle bracket I will try and draw up a template for the mount if that is OK by Bugg's but bear with me as I have just had the splint removed after hand reconstruction and am still a bit slow doing things.

As for battery,s Howard knows what I use and have for years with no problems but I do not have to worry about warranty or transport considerations and I use a Smart Balance Charger the Ni-MH AA's are a reasonable option rechargeable ones and a backup set of Alkaline ones.

Regards, Ian. ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 15 2016 17:58:54 AEDT PM
Hi Ian,

Thanks for that. I can get the shape router cut out of 1.6mm AL.
If the end is extended it can be bent at 90 and drilled for a bolt.
A crease in the bend will prevent fatigue.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 15 2016 18:14:12 AEDT PM
The following EBAY link is a charger that is suitable for 8.4v max Li Ion packs. I have seen these as low as $5.69 on EBAY.
If you buy, ask the seller to check the voltage output for 8.4v before posting.


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261349305919?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

The following link shows a suitable battery.
I am guessing the 18650 is the cell size (18mm*65mm), the 2S2P = 2 serial, 2 parallel, HC = high current and the SQ = square.

http://www.master-instruments.com.au/products/63836/LICB-18650-2S2P-HC-SQ.html


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 15 2016 18:52:56 AEDT PM
The attached pic shows the aux box.
It serves 3 purposes. It can house up to 2 * battery packs shown in previous post. It can be moved forward or aft to counterbalance the weight of the coil. It also acts a stand to stop the detector toppling if fitted with a small coil.
Notice also a fuse holder to provide further protection.
A further refinement would be running the cable inside the handle and exiting near the box.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 15 2016 18:57:37 AEDT PM
I am not going away this Christmas so if anybody is planning on visiting the southern Victorian Goldfields PM me and I will arrange to meet you and show you the QED in action.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Thursday December 15 2016 19:21:30 AEDT PM
nice bugs
now how much grunt can you fit into that box ,the more the better ,
and power cable up the shaft , nice
some flat spring steel on the bottom of the box bent in a slight arch to act as legs
looking good bugs
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Thursday December 15 2016 20:43:49 AEDT PM
  
  
Only battery that may fit ? would be the camera battery pack model BP-945 ..
but will have to be soldered in place and ye .. bit of mucking around ..
I use them on my machine 6.8Ah

the Enaloop batteries are a good suggestion Doug these are AA .. 2Ah I think

Ye the transportation of the Li batteries is the issue
ow hard would it be to fit one of these gef? and i guess it would have to be removed to be charged?

Stay posted Dave ...
Bugs this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261349305919?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
is what am using to charge my units .. i just put the guts in a small box and have a 12v cig plug and charge plug hanging out on a lead... works for me


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday December 15 2016 21:31:39 AEDT PM
GR
"Is the power supply issue the first of many issues?"
NO to the best of my knowledge! The coils, the circuit, the firmware are  ALL settled! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Thursday December 15 2016 23:59:20 AEDT PM
  

NO to the best of my knowledge! The coils, the circuit, the firmware are  ALL settled! ::62::
doug ::419::


It even works everywhere without yellow ferrite GB dancing.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Friday December 16 2016 00:57:13 AEDT AM
To me this latest setup of the Aux lithium battery box sounds a much safer way and similar to the GPX battery box setup although with it located beneath the armrest it will definitely act to counterbalance more effectively the weight of the coil. Even the GPZ has its lithium battery now under its armrest.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday December 16 2016 04:43:33 AEDT AM
the aux box is the winner for me, its the way I hope to go.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday December 16 2016 07:01:12 AEDT AM
More eBay links.
It's important to charge the cells individually to maximise their life.


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Panasonic-NCR-18650-B-3400mAh-Flat-Top-Lithium-Li-Ion-Rechargeable-Battery-/301835346061?var=&hash=item4646c9e08d:m:mKMRP4qOJxJm3xcTFSiR5jA

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Black-ABS-Storage-Box-Holder-Case-For-1-2-3-4-Li-ion-18650-3-7V-Battery-With-Pin-/121822259118?var=&hash=item1c5d2c27ae:m:mHjsjrUFV13M8_NbKDsWGsA

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4-2V-Charger-Indicator-For-4x-18650-Li-ion-Rechargeable-Battery-EU-US-UK-AU-Plug/122023022331?rt=nc&_soffid=5022358408&_soffType=OrderSubTotalOffer&_trksid=p5731.m3795


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Friday December 16 2016 07:59:54 AEDT AM
Bugwiskers, meeting up detecting friends on the QLD central coast, then travelling about the gold fields, but quite where we go detecting depends on the weather from day to day. We share a variety of detectors.
Be assured that I will not be detecting during the QLD summer afternoons!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Friday December 16 2016 10:45:14 AEDT AM
With all the negative stuff written about the QED during its development then sabotage would be a worry now it being ready for release.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday December 16 2016 12:18:00 AEDT PM
  
With all the negative stuff written about the QED during its development then sabotage would be a worry now it being ready for release.

Precisely, and there is a long history of that.
Drug Lords kill and maim to preserve their fat profit patch.
A greedy few couldn't give a stuff about their fellow prospectors.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday December 16 2016 12:35:36 AEDT PM
The attached pic shows a quality  "Hammond" case that can hold 3 * quad LI Ion packs. It the cells are 3000mAH then it can have 18000 mAH. With an average current consumption of 450mA then detecting time between charges is a whopping 40 hours.
I have to obtain the sockets and make the PCB's. The addition of a double pole, double throw switch and a 3 pin socket would allow balanced charging without removing the cells.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday December 16 2016 12:39:39 AEDT PM
Another eBay link.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311736021252?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

At this price you could fill all sockets for $77.76


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday December 16 2016 12:58:58 AEDT PM
  
The attached pic shows a quality  "Hammond" case that can hold 3 * quad LI Ion packs. It the cells are 3000mAH then it can have 18000 mAH. With an average current consumption of 450mA then detecting time between charges is a whopping 40 hours.
I have to obtain the sockets and make the PCB's. The addition of a double pole, double throw switch and a 3 pin socket would allow balanced charging without removing the cells.

Well done!Now you are talking!!!! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Friday December 16 2016 13:38:36 AEDT PM
ok bugs nice
Now get back to work
 ::10 :: red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Friday December 16 2016 14:31:49 AEDT PM
Unless you are really lucky and get a set of real Ultra Fire 3000 maH 18650 cells, treat anything that has the word Fire in the name with suspicion , there are tons of fakes around.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday December 16 2016 14:49:27 AEDT PM
  
Unless you are really lucky and get a set of real Ultra Fire 3000 maH 18650 cells, treat anything that has the word Fire in the name with suspicion , there are tons of fakes around.

Yes, so I found out. That's why after 3 years they are still sitting in their wrapping.
They did serve to show how they fit in the case so at least they were of some use.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Friday December 16 2016 15:51:31 AEDT PM
maybe should leave those 12000 mAh alone ah Bugs :-)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Friday December 16 2016 19:11:55 AEDT PM
  
ok bugs nice
Now get back to work
 ::10 :: red

Aux box looks like a great solution,
Also seems to have enough room for a small external speaker as well for those that want one ??

Nice work


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Saturday December 17 2016 05:31:45 AEDT AM
  
  
ok bugs nice
Now get back to work
 ::10 :: red

Aux box looks like a great solution,
Also seems to have enough room for a small external speaker as well for those that want one ??

Nice work

That would be a plan... nice one.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 17 2016 06:35:07 AEDT AM
No room in box for speaker and probably too far away from ears also.
Ear buds are good and more bluetooth modules are appearing in the market that rid us of the tethering cable menace.

The AUX BOX needs to have 2 sockets, one for 8.4v charge and the other for 4.2v charge. A DPDT switch selects upper or lower battery in the series pairs.
When away from home, use a 8.4v car charger and when at home charge with 4.2v to balance the cells to maximise battery life.

If the above is not clear I will post a drawing.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday December 17 2016 16:06:00 AEDT PM
The switched balance charge schematic.
Only 1 charger can be used at a time.


Title: Re: QED update:Why can't you use DD coils?
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 18 2016 12:27:48 AEDT PM
The new  patent pending front end of the QED does not work well with DD coils. Not sure of the reasons for this. However it works extremely well with mono coils of all sizes and as QED seems to handle mineralized ground very and so far is far less susceptible to EMI than other Pi detectors with mono coils i see no reason why anyone would want to use a DD coil.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Big Gold on Sunday December 18 2016 15:05:48 AEDT PM
I have been following this recent progress with great interest.
I have noted you test results with smaller coil and on face value appear impressive but l would like to ask how did the relarger coils perform eg: the 15 inch or new 19 inch as these are the coils l would be utilising.

When inground testing against other brands of detectors was there any gold that the other detectors located that the QED couldn't hear and vice versa. What were the deepest bits and on what size does the QED perform best on.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 18 2016 15:56:45 AEDT PM
  
I have been following this recent progress with great interest.
I have noted you test results with smaller coil and on face value appear impressive but l would like to ask how did the relarger coils perform eg: the 15 inch or new 19 inch as these are the coils l would be utilising.

When inground testing against other brands of detectors was there any gold that the other detectors located that the QED couldn't hear and vice versa. What were the deepest bits and on what size does the QED perform best on.

I don't think much testing has been done with the largest mono's. As for your other question I suggest you talk to Dean at Goldsearch.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: IBGold on Sunday December 18 2016 17:29:10 AEDT PM
It works excellent with large coils is 800 mm x 600 mm big enough.

Regards, Ian. ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Big Gold on Sunday December 18 2016 18:09:16 AEDT PM
Thanks for your reply.

Is there any chance that Dean from Gold Search could answer questions directly on this forum that way we all could get his responses first hand without them being twisted around by third and fourth hand accounts from people who don't comprehend what he told them.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Big Gold on Sunday December 18 2016 18:21:24 AEDT PM
  
It works excellent with large coils is 800 mm x 600 mm big enough.

Regards, Ian. ::62::

IBGold when did you use the QED l didn't think it was released yet. Or were you involved in the developement. Could you qualify your answer with some actual facts so we can make an informed decision based on actual facts and experience for example what did you find what depth ect. One liner coments really say nothing but leave an out for denial later. All l said it works excellent with large coils l didn't say it finds gold or it has found gold but l didn't say it found deep gold. Can you understand how one liners can be somewhat misinterpreted in order to refute later claims or disputes. This will be a significant outlay for me and that is why l am looking for actual facts that can't be disputed by those with an agenda.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 18 2016 20:00:32 AEDT PM
  
  
It works excellent with large coils is 800 mm x 600 mm big enough.

Regards, Ian. ::62::

IBGold when did you use the QED l didn't think it was released yet. Or were you involved in the developement. Could you qualify your answer with some actual facts so we can make an informed decision based on actual facts and experience for example what did you find what depth ect. One liner coments really say nothing but leave an out for denial later. All l said it works excellent with large coils l didn't say it finds gold or it has found gold but l didn't say it found deep gold. Can you understand how one liners can be somewhat misinterpreted in order to refute later claims or disputes. This will be a significant outlay for me and that is why l am looking for actual facts that can't be disputed by those with an agenda.

Here is a video of a very early(2011) prototype QED being depth tested on a large nugget at a test site. I have no doubt that the 2016 commercial version is as a good for depth and has better depth/sensitivity to small gold than the early versions and much better EMI rejection (ie better S/N) and better target response.I am personally not aware of any large/deep gold specimens/ nuggets that the commercial version has yet found but i can see no reason as to why it won't detect larger, deeper nuggets/specimens and does not suffer the huge depth losses (up to and over 30%) than can occur with a GPX on some nuggets with longer Tc's when run in any of the smooth timings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gto07L2acj4
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Big Gold on Sunday December 18 2016 20:25:58 AEDT PM
I'm not up to scratch with the Tecnical Jargon but from what l could understand is that the soon to be released detector in it's current state is unproven/untested on deep gold. In relation to the early Prototype how can you compare both detectors as being similiar.  Wasn't the earlier prototype required to be redesigned and therefore the new version would therefore be entirely different in its response and capabilities compared to the older one. L have seen posted elsewhere that there can be a huge difference between prototypes and actual released versions so they recomend not to go on prototype test result to form an opinion as whether to buy or not. Look at all the hype around the minelab coil apparently underperforming by some accounts.


Title: Re: QED update:Why can't you use DD coils?
Post by: WM6 on Sunday December 18 2016 20:27:36 AEDT PM
  
However it works extremely well with mono coils of all sizes and as QED seems to handle mineralized ground very and so far is far less susceptible to EMI than other Pi detectors with mono coils i see no reason why anyone would want to use a DD coil.
doug ::419::


Mono coils are even better and more affordable to build  and experiment for some DIY  QED owners.

Maybe after solving very deep target discrimination DD will become actual again.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday December 18 2016 23:20:54 AEDT PM
  
I'm not up to scratch with the Tecnical Jargon but from what l could understand is that the soon to be released detector in it's current state is unproven/untested on deep gold. In relation to the early Prototype how can you compare both detectors as being similiar.  Wasn't the earlier prototype required to be redesigned and therefore the new version would therefore be entirely different in its response and capabilities compared to the older one. L have seen posted elsewhere that there can be a huge difference between prototypes and actual released versions so they recomend not to go on prototype test result to form an opinion as whether to buy or not. Look at all the hype around the minelab coil apparently underperforming by some accounts.

How do we prove to your satisfaction that the QED in its current state will detect deep gold? From testing that has been done with  targets with a variety of Tc  (see the table in an earlier post in this thread-Reply #64 on: Wednesday December 7 2016 06:31:07 AEDT AM ) that the detection depths and sensitivity is comparable to or better than earlier prototypes because it can sample earlier and has a better S/N.
doug ::419::



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 19 2016 06:45:41 AEDT AM
I can understand the suspicion of potential buyers after years of "unsubstantiated improvement claims" in the industry. There are videos and air tests. If they aren't satisfactory then I suggest waiting for reports from customers or accounts from people who know the technology and have witnessed the QED in action.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Monday December 19 2016 08:10:50 AEDT AM
I see that the website still says AVAILABLE SOON any idea of the time frame ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 19 2016 10:51:27 AEDT AM
There are a limited number available for those who are capable of  or wanting to add their own battery.
The parts to make the AUX BOX should arrive tomorrow but I doubt I will be able to make them before Christmas.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday December 21 2016 13:37:06 AEDT PM
The 18650 Li Ion battery holders turned up and fit very snugly in the box.
The next step is to make a PCB that connects them and the "charge balance" switch, fuse etc then test.
If you can source genuine 3000mAH batteries the 6 cells should last for around 20 hours between charges.

PS The 3600mAH written on the batteries pictured is a "fairytale"


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday December 21 2016 14:57:30 AEDT PM
  
The 18650 Li Ion battery holders turned up and fit very snugly in the box.
The next step is to make a PCB that connects them and the "charge balance" switch, fuse etc then test.
If you can source genuine 3000mAH batteries the 6 cells should last for around 20 hours between charges.

PS The 3600mAH written on the batteries pictured is a "fairytale"


BEAUTIFUL!!   They Look Good

I would take the risk with the light-weight Li-ion Batteries sold as a separate pack, at buyers risk. The 20 hrs use-time gives 2 long, safe days of detetcting between charges... any prospector would be happy with that. Separate from the electronics they can be disconnected in a mishap.

Well done Bugs!

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kiwigoldhunter on Wednesday December 21 2016 15:57:43 AEDT PM
Those are very good batteries you have there , I bought a cree LED ultra fire torch of ebay 5 years ago for $19.00 and it is by far the best torch I have ever owned and the batteries that came with it , which are the same as you have in the photo are still going strong .
Have faith in those batteries they are fantastic .
 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Wednesday December 21 2016 23:09:24 AEDT PM
The problem, Kiwigold, is that it is a gamble that anyone looking to buy ones like yours is going to get proper batteries. The reason being so many fakes with similar packaging and branding abound, and " look" like yours.......

In fact, I think if you were to google the torch forums, you will find that the consensus is probably to avoid any battery with the word "fire" in it. Not worth wasting the time.




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kiwigoldhunter on Thursday December 22 2016 07:41:54 AEDT AM
I wasn't aware of that must have got lucky with my lot .


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Thursday December 22 2016 08:00:06 AEDT AM
Fake 18650 China batteries Slideshow
they are putting small cells in new cases and filling the gap with flour or plastic, total rip off, 3 of my 5 purchases on ebay have been fakes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzzfzGJpUS8


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Thursday December 22 2016 08:19:25 AEDT AM
hi all , ive heard the same maybe try this
http://www.best18650battery.com/
or jaycar
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Thursday December 22 2016 08:47:11 AEDT AM
Why not try the company Bugs linked to, further back in this thread. I know they make up packs, but maybe they also sell individual cells. Then at least you can be sure of reliable running. It would be odd to hobble detector run time.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Thursday December 22 2016 09:11:30 AEDT AM
http://www.master-instruments.com.au/category/Lithium_Ion_Cylindrical_Batteries/1549

http://www.premierbatteries.com.au/lithium-ion-rechargeable-batteries


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Saturday December 24 2016 08:56:24 AEDT AM
  When do you expect the QED to be available at Gold Search Bugwhiskers?  Real curious to see how it works in the field.  I see even some folks in the USA are waiting. ::402::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Monday December 26 2016 09:18:24 AEDT AM
Will be interesting to see what the first lot of buyers think and how they go in the hands of independent operators. No offense but 5 year old videos and reports from those within the QED circle don't cut it for me.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 26 2016 11:02:48 AEDT AM
  
Will be interesting to see what the first lot of buyers think and how they go in the hands of independent operators. No offense but 5 year old videos and reports from those within the QED circle don't cut it for me.


Recent videos coming soon.
Meanwhile the battery issue is solved with a large range of options, more later.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: authere on Monday December 26 2016 12:29:24 AEDT PM
Hi All,

A new detector technology has been introduced on Oneday's forum, way above my head, but he will have a huge battle on his hands, I hope he's up to speed

Ron

PS...Hope you's all had a Merry Christmas


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Monday December 26 2016 14:03:52 AEDT PM
  

A new detector technology has been introduced on Oneday's forum, way above my head, but he will have a huge battle on his hands, I hope he's up to speed


Also it had a mention on the 4umer forum however the QED may be out and about soon and at a fraction of the price.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Monday December 26 2016 14:27:24 AEDT PM
  
  
Will be interesting to see what the first lot of buyers think and how they go in the hands of independent operators. No offense but 5 year old videos and reports from those within the QED circle don't cut it for me.


Recent videos coming soon.
Meanwhile the battery issue is solved with a large range of options, more later.
Excellent. Will be good to see the current version in action. Any live dig footage?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday December 26 2016 14:45:57 AEDT PM
A Christmas present from the QLD tester, many thanks G.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvXnSkIT04g
Link-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvXnSkIT04g
This model dates back to April. The latest revision has inverted audio added so small targets can be rising pitch.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Monday December 26 2016 15:40:41 AEDT PM
Wow the video speaks for itself.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday December 26 2016 16:23:10 AEDT PM
  
Wow the video speaks for itself.

Certainly answers the question of whether the QED can detect virgin gold! We know the QED has also recently detected gold in Vic as well!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Monday December 26 2016 23:15:52 AEDT PM
Great response, can't wait to see some more.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Monday December 26 2016 23:19:36 AEDT PM
Very strong signals there! Looked a bit like amateur hour though. Get a bigger pick lads  ::620:: The ground looked pretty grey and fluffy too. Not very mineralised looking and well surfaced. Ok keep them coming Bugs.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Tuesday December 27 2016 06:41:18 AEDT AM
Bugwiskers, do you perchance have a vid of the QED versus the 5k in unbulldozed ground with the mineralised top soil still in situ undisturbed please? Thanks.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Tuesday December 27 2016 06:47:44 AEDT AM
Authere, the CSIRO tech was actually developed some time ago and is for X-raying ore looking for traces of gold.

(One cannot take a portable X-ray machine around the gold fields emitting X-rays into the enviro!)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 27 2016 08:24:31 AEDT AM
  
Very strong signals there! Looked a bit like amateur hour though. Get a bigger pick lads  ::620:: The ground looked pretty grey and fluffy too. Not very mineralised looking and well surfaced. Ok keep them coming Bugs.

Mineralised ground is not the problem except perhaps for the early ML models that needed to tame it with DD coils.
The biggest problem is variable ground and the ability of the GB method to cope.
I'll see if I can get one of the testers to make a video. A few of them also have 5000's.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Tuesday December 27 2016 08:56:01 AEDT AM
Bugs, does that mean that the QED handles GB well? or does it mean it handles GB well, but its a problem in variable ground, and needs to be GB ed regularly?
Is it it obvious when its out of balance.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Big Gold on Tuesday December 27 2016 09:22:26 AEDT AM
Well that'that then. I was eagerly waiting to purchase the QED for Xmas but it did not happen during that time l monitored the forums to gleen what imformative info l could get on the QED.

But all l found was misinformation and deliberate misinterpretations and misquotes posted on this site by members like Huego ect ect. Blokes like him do more damage to you genuine attempt to sell the QED its like he is genuinely trying to assinate sales of QED because whilst you allow him and others to post thier dribble then no sensible person could take anything stated about the QED seriously. I have also been informed that the QED did find a couple of bits of gold but was outclassed by the other detectors that found far more gold and also a lot more gold than what the QED could hear. Yes the QED did find some gold but far less than the other detectors.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Tuesday December 27 2016 09:34:18 AEDT AM
  
Very strong signals there! Looked a bit like amateur hour though. Get a bigger pick lads  ::620:: The ground looked pretty grey and fluffy too. Not very mineralised looking and well surfaced. Ok keep them coming Bugs.

BW I would not waste time trying to please with any more videos as all it does is feed more negatives as shown here and elsewhere.

 

  


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 27 2016 09:39:34 AEDT AM
  
Well that'that then. I was eagerly waiting to purchase the QED for Xmas but it did not happen during that time l monitored the forums to gleen what imformative info l could get on the QED.

But all l found was misinformation and deliberate misinterpretations and misquotes posted on this site by members like Huego ect ect. Blokes like him do more damage to you genuine attempt to sell the QED its like he is genuinely trying to assinate sales of QED because whilst you allow him and others to post thier dribble then no sensible person could take anything stated about the QED seriously. I have also been informed that the QED did find a couple of bits of gold but was outclassed by the other detectors that found far more gold and also a lot more gold than what the QED could hear. Yes the QED did find some gold but far less than the other detectors.

Minelab dealers have had a very good run over many years. In the "good old days" so I am told they made a lazy $2000 on a new detector sale and another lazy $1000 if there was a trade in. I reckon they would fight tooth and nail to prevent a performance competitive, realistically priced detector from being marketed. Go your hardest Big Gold but be aware that your intentions are obvious.




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday December 27 2016 09:48:02 AEDT AM
  
Well that'that then. I was eagerly waiting to purchase the QED for Xmas but it did not happen during that time l monitored the forums to gleen what imformative info l could get on the QED.

But all l found was misinformation and deliberate misinterpretations and misquotes posted on this site by members like Huego ect ect. Blokes like him do more damage to you genuine attempt to sell the QED its like he is genuinely trying to assinate sales of QED because whilst you allow him and others to post thier dribble then no sensible person could take anything stated about the QED seriously. I have also been informed that the QED did find a couple of bits of gold but was outclassed by the other detectors that found far more gold and also a lot more gold than what the QED could hear. Yes the QED did find some gold but far less than the other detectors.

Big Gold you are certainly posting dribble, misinformation and unsubstantiated claims and sources.Unless you are prepared to substantiate them, then you can have a  forum holiday!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Big Gold on Tuesday December 27 2016 09:52:58 AEDT AM
Here is some light reading that may be if benifit. Read the section about comparisons. https://m.consumer.vic.gov.au/businesses/fair-trading/advertising-and-promotions/false-or-misleading-representations.

By allowing mates to post replies on your behalf that are inacurate or misleadind and failing to rectify those untrue statements leaves you liable.

Due to the unprofessional way you allow this site to run leaves me with no confidence to purchase your pipe dream detector and therefore with most probably purchase a Garret or Aldi special


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Tuesday December 27 2016 10:03:35 AEDT AM
  
  
Very strong signals there! Looked a bit like amateur hour though. Get a bigger pick lads  ::620:: The ground looked pretty grey and fluffy too. Not very mineralised looking and well surfaced. Ok keep them coming Bugs.

BW I would not waste time trying to please with any more videos as all it does is feed more negatives as shown here and elsewhere
  
What's negative there buddy???? It's a very nice signal on those bits as I noted. I can't help it if I got a laugh out of them scratching around with that pick. The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob. It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that. The EMI resistance would be of far more interest up north especially at the moment!! A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.
Please don't stop with the vids Bugs. Some of QED in variable ground showing the ground balancing process would be great. The higher the mineralisation and the more widely variable the ground the better!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Tuesday December 27 2016 10:44:52 AEDT AM
  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 27 2016 11:18:58 AEDT AM
  
Here is some light reading that may be if benifit. Read the section about comparisons. https://m.consumer.vic.gov.au/businesses/fair-trading/advertising-and-promotions/false-or-misleading-representations.

By allowing mates to post replies on your behalf that are inacurate or misleadind and failing to rectify those untrue statements leaves you liable.

Due to the unprofessional way you allow this site to run leaves me with no confidence to purchase your pipe dream detector and therefore with most probably purchase a Garret or Aldi special


You want to quote consumer laws Big Gold, apply them to this drivel !
http://www.coinweek.com/coins/metal-detecting-2/australian-gold-prospector-unearths-87-ounce-gold-nugget/

Go and buy you ALDI detector, it will also see a nugget this size at 6 inches.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday December 27 2016 11:25:59 AEDT AM
  
Here is some light reading that may be if benifit. Read the section about comparisons. https://m.consumer.vic.gov.au/businesses/fair-trading/advertising-and-promotions/false-or-misleading-representations.


The same applies to claims of up to 30% more depth for the SAD 7000 19" coil!!!!!! ::620::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday December 27 2016 11:59:31 AEDT AM
And while the ACCC are at it they can also evaluate the cumulative claimed depth improvements from the SD2000 to the GPX 5000.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday December 27 2016 12:29:38 AEDT PM
Lets not get side tracked and off topic.This thread is about the QED.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Tuesday December 27 2016 15:02:08 AEDT PM
  
  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.
You've got a bee in your bonnet about nothing. Anyone who has detected a variety of ground conditions would most likely agree that the ground in the video looks tame. That doesn't detract from the detector at all but it also doesn't satisfy a person's curiosity on how it goes in much more mineralised and variable ground either or undisturbed ground. Queensland is also not renowned for its hot ground but north of the border is renowned for having difficulties with EMI especially this time of year. What better place to demonstrate the EMI resistance of the QED? Maybe the Northern Territory? Victoria is renowned for its large areas of mineralisation and can be quite variable in areas with hot pockets, clay domes and so forth. That's the nature of the beast and that's where people want to see the ground balance capabilities in action. Some have commented that they didn't really understand the manual so a demo on how to initial ground balance the QED in mineralised ground then maintaining it through variable ground conditions would be beneficial. Is that too much for you to understand mylab? Salt ground would also be another worthy area to demonstrate GB and QED effectiveness in those areas?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday December 27 2016 15:20:09 AEDT PM
  
  
  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.
You've got a bee in your bonnet about nothing. Anyone who has detected a variety of ground conditions would most likely agree that the ground in the video looks tame. That doesn't detract from the detector at all but it also doesn't satisfy a person's curiosity on how it goes in much more mineralised and variable ground either or undisturbed ground. Queensland is also not renowned for its hot ground but north of the border is renowned for having difficulties with EMI especially this time of year. What better place to demonstrate the EMI resistance of the QED? Maybe the Northern Territory? Victoria is renowned for its large areas of mineralisation and can be quite variable in areas with hot pockets, clay domes and so forth. That's the nature of the beast and that's where people want to see the ground balance capabilities in action. Some have commented that they didn't really understand the manual so a demo on how to initial ground balance the QED in mineralised ground then maintaining it through variable ground conditions would be beneficial. Is that too much for you to understand mylab? Salt ground would also be another worthy area to demonstrate GB and QED effectiveness in those areas?

I suggest that you talk to Dean at Goldsearch who has used a QED for some time about how it goes over Vic mineralized ground. The QED  also does not have auto  tracking or any specific timing regime for conductive ground. As for EMI resistance the QED can be run in bugs workshop  with air cons and other electrical equipment running with minimal effects. Any ML detector with a mono  will just go crazy in the same situation.I am personally not sure how the QED  copes with  distant electrical storms and lightning strikes but the sampling regime and the way it processes received signals should mean its better than a SD/GP/GPX with a mono coil.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Tuesday December 27 2016 15:33:50 AEDT PM
  

 Is that too much for you to understand mylab?

 

You first asked for "Any live dig footage?" and too BW's credit he obliged with a video.

Of course you appear to know which OZ state has more mineralised ground than the other therefore be it not for me to argue that point with you.

Actually there is no further points for me, so the floor is yours.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Tuesday December 27 2016 17:01:27 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
The observations on the ground would be picked up by any gold detectorist worth 2 bob.

It's been surfaced/pushed and it's a fairly benign looking area. Most Victorians would love a patch of gold bearing ground like that.

 A video demonstrating that would be far more beneficial up there than demonstrating ground handling capabilities on fluffy grey dirt.

Oh so were you there when that demonstration video was recorded to know how mineralised that ground was and any other ground around is.  

Lets not give to much credit to the ground handling of the QED.
You've got a bee in your bonnet about nothing. Anyone who has detected a variety of ground conditions would most likely agree that the ground in the video looks tame. That doesn't detract from the detector at all but it also doesn't satisfy a person's curiosity on how it goes in much more mineralised and variable ground either or undisturbed ground. Queensland is also not renowned for its hot ground but north of the border is renowned for having difficulties with EMI especially this time of year. What better place to demonstrate the EMI resistance of the QED? Maybe the Northern Territory? Victoria is renowned for its large areas of mineralisation and can be quite variable in areas with hot pockets, clay domes and so forth. That's the nature of the beast and that's where people want to see the ground balance capabilities in action. Some have commented that they didn't really understand the manual so a demo on how to initial ground balance the QED in mineralised ground then maintaining it through variable ground conditions would be beneficial. Is that too much for you to understand mylab? Salt ground would also be another worthy area to demonstrate GB and QED effectiveness in those areas?

I suggest that you talk to Dean at Goldsearch who has used a QED for some time about how it goes over Vic mineralized ground. The QED  also does not have auto  tracking or any specific timing regime for conductive ground. As for EMI resistance the QED can be run in bugs workshop  with air cons and other electrical equipment running with minimal effects. Any ML detector with a mono  will just go crazy in the same situation.I am personally not sure how the QED  copes with  distant electrical storms and lightning strikes but the sampling regime and the way it processes received signals should mean its better than a SD/GP/GPX with a mono coil.
doug ::419::

Dean at Goldsearch ok. My mistake I had thought this forum was all about Q&A on the QED. I will refer my questions to him. Hopefully he's more informative than the lap dog known as Huego. Maybe Huego could be trained to post cut and paste standard answers here? He's good at cut and paste plus it would be more resourceful to have him help with the launch of the QED rather than continually try to rehash old forum wars where frankly both sides did their fair share of stone throwing   ::62:: If the QED can offer advantages over what's already available then I will have one. If not it will just be another also ran like the TDI and ATX. And that Huego is a fact.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Wednesday December 28 2016 07:19:21 AEDT AM
The soil in the vid has undoubtably low VRM.

But the capability of how well a detector’s spatial maintenance of GB is minimized (“minimal ground noise”), whilst maintaining good depth, in high VRM mineralised gold fields, is of quintessential interest.

Dean assures that the QED has superbly low ground noise, which makes the QED very exciting indeed! Come on Bugs, release ASAP please so we can all have a go!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday December 28 2016 10:01:05 AEDT AM
  
The soil in the vid has undoubtably low VRM.

What is the basis of your assumption?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Wednesday December 28 2016 13:07:19 AEDT PM
Now that is a good question Doug as it appears from the reply that you have questioned and a reply I received to one of my postings that both of these members were on-site when this particular video was recorded for them to know so much about the type of the ground where the video took place.

From my experience when surface ground is cleared away either by raking or using machinery the new ground exposed can be far more difficult to detect since that top surface layer can act as a buffer zone compared to the mineralised gravel layer below.

The gravel during the first dig and from within the hole may well be highly mineralised gravel and the clay during the second dig does have an orange colour to it so it too could be well mineralised also.

Only those present during the video would know the facts.
 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Thursday December 29 2016 00:33:50 AEDT AM
From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame. If we have no hope of saying that the ground isn't mineralised then how can you say or assume that it is? Maybe the testers in these videos need to come forth and relay the correct information so informed decisions can be made. Something else they could clarify is whether the QED was the detector that picked up those signals originally or if it was just tested on undug signals discovered with another machine. That is how it seems to be relayed there i.e testing the QED again showed that it was able to receive a response on another target? I really don't believe we are asking to much to be provided with some background information. It would stop petty arguments on things for a start and eliminate assumptions to some degree. I have sent a fairly long request to Dean at Goldsearch who I'm hoping has some good info for us all. He does however talk the TDI up for sales so while I'll accept the information some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Thursday December 29 2016 01:29:22 AEDT AM
  
From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame...............  some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.

Your “ASSUMPTION” and the Goe’s “SEEMED” are words that show that you both “KNOW” exactly what that ground was like.

However don't be to hard on yourself as being only a "DUMB" fossicker.

Stick to your “SKEPTICISM” until your independent report comes in.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 29 2016 04:33:11 AEDT AM
  
From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame. If we have no hope of saying that the ground isn't mineralised then how can you say or assume that it is? Maybe the testers in these videos need to come forth and relay the correct information so informed decisions can be made. Something else they could clarify is whether the QED was the detector that picked up those signals originally or if it was just tested on undug signals discovered with another machine. That is how it seems to be relayed there i.e testing the QED again showed that it was able to receive a response on another target? I really don't believe we are asking to much to be provided with some background information. It would stop petty arguments on things for a start and eliminate assumptions to some degree. I have sent a fairly long request to Dean at Goldsearch who I'm hoping has some good info for us all. He does however talk the TDI up for sales so while I'll accept the information some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.

Let's carve up this post and see what game you are playing.

A: The ground at the site is mild and any detector could have been used there.
B: Maybe another detector actually located the nuggets.
C: Your info request to Dean has been sent but not answered yet.
D: Dean is only interested in selling the TDI.

Is this correct Lachlan?




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: techo_bob on Thursday December 29 2016 08:45:32 AEDT AM
Hi Bugs.
In the foreseeable future is there going to be the option of a ground grab. or auto ground balance set-up
as it looks like the sensitivity is not a problem, this would be the icing on the cake..

Bob..


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 29 2016 08:56:01 AEDT AM
  
Hi Bugs.
In the foreseeable future is there going to be the option of a ground grab. or auto ground balance set-up
as it looks like the sensitivity is not a problem, this would be the icing on the cake..

Bob..

One day maybe.
The advantage of manual GB is that the setting gives feedback about ground mineralisation.
The higher the GB number, the more mineralised the ground the greater the chance of it containing gold.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: techo_bob on Thursday December 29 2016 08:58:58 AEDT AM
Thanks Bugs
I guess I will have to buy one and test for myself

Cheer's Bob..


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Thursday December 29 2016 09:15:54 AEDT AM
  
  
From the surrounding ground, pushed up ground and the ground being dug it would be a fair assumption to say that ground would be mild at best. A Geologist that commented on it said it seemed to be mildly mineralised ground. I'm just a dumb fossicker but in my experience that type of grey looking ground is usually fairly tame. If we have no hope of saying that the ground isn't mineralised then how can you say or assume that it is? Maybe the testers in these videos need to come forth and relay the correct information so informed decisions can be made. Something else they could clarify is whether the QED was the detector that picked up those signals originally or if it was just tested on undug signals discovered with another machine. That is how it seems to be relayed there i.e testing the QED again showed that it was able to receive a response on another target? I really don't believe we are asking to much to be provided with some background information. It would stop petty arguments on things for a start and eliminate assumptions to some degree. I have sent a fairly long request to Dean at Goldsearch who I'm hoping has some good info for us all. He does however talk the TDI up for sales so while I'll accept the information some skepticism will remain until an independent report or reports come in.

Let's carve up this post and see what game you are playing.

A: The ground at the site is mild and any detector could have been used there.
B: Maybe another detector actually located the nuggets.
C: Your info request to Dean has been sent but not answered yet.
D: Dean is only interested in selling the TDI.

Is this correct Lachlan?



No game. What game is mylab playing continually attacking me for having an opinion on the ground in the video yet he has one too. Maybe he should read up on surficial mineralisation and how + why it occurs in goldfields. If he is getting dramatic ground handling difficulties after raking I'd suggest he needs a detector with more depth capabilities. I pray he's not a QED tester!
A. It would appear that way? It's an opinion only. I see nothing in the video to suggest otherwise.
B. Maybe it did. Not quite clear and the wording isn't clear about that and may even lead some to think that.
C. Sent but not answered. Noted the shop has been closed. Will be open today and tomorrow then closed again until 9/01/17. May not get a reply until post that date?
D. He is the sole Australian Whites distributor. It may be in his best interests to sell them? Frankly I have little trust in getting the full story out of any detector salesperson regardless of what brand. Having a tester or user of a pre release QED who is also your sole distributor smacks of the same ethical questioning that is thrown at JP constantly in regards to his Minelab connection with testing and now selling is it not? Different standards there?

Some up front information from your testers would be great but I can appreciate that isn't always possible. However could someone here possibly provide some more information rather than refer people to the salesman where no doubt we will only receive a glowing report? Did I mention I have a vehement distrust of detector salespersons. You and your followers may have to get used to criticism whether constructive or not. After the QED is released I sincerely doubt that everyone who buys it will love it and give it a 5 star report. That's a fact of life and anything that is sold in general. Opinion being stated now will be nothing compared to what you read or hear in the ensuing months. Harden up a bit fellows.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 29 2016 09:42:10 AEDT AM
How about all attacks and criticism cease and we let the QED rise or fall on its merits and not on speculation and bagging from any who may have a vested interest in attacking a performance competitive product at a realistic price.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Thursday December 29 2016 10:02:57 AEDT AM
  
  
No worries, will look at putting one of the minelab kits on it, lol! Hasn't been released yet, but should work great. Nice light unit, internal battery, wireless speaker/phones....should be perfect.

Hi all,

I have not talked about the QED for obvious reasons but now can congratulate Howard on everything finally coming to fruition I have been involved in testing ETC. for a few years and can confirm it does find gold and is in my opinion equal to a GPX 5000 in most cases and better in some cases it is excellent with  Wi-Fi head phones I use TDK WR700 and they are plug and play and work a treat those who were brought  up with manual G.B will find it easy to G.B others will soon get the hang of it, the two most important controls are the Bias and the Volume settings but once you get the hang of it it is intuitive I have had it on ground that is around 70% iron content which was near impossible to ground balance with other detectors but was no problem with the QED,  Davent talk to Buggs about a speaker he should be able to put you in touch with a supplier as he has one that plugs straight in I have one here but I have only just returned from W.A so when I have unpacked I will find the box and give you its name and model number.

Regards, Ian. ::62::

Point taken BW and maybe this posting had been forgotten about some time back.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Thursday December 29 2016 10:04:31 AEDT AM
Fair call. Let's get one thing straight though. I have no vested interest in attacking the QED. I do want relevant information. It doesn't matter to me if the QED costs $1 or $20,000 it must perform as stated to be of any practical use. If not it's just taking up valuable space and I've been there before with broken promises on cheaper machines that were going to be the next best thing. They weren't.  For me and likely many others the QED must offer an advantage to outlay the cash. If not I may as well buy 3 or 4 new coils and continue as normal.That is my vested interest in it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Lachlan on Thursday December 29 2016 10:05:43 AEDT AM
  
  
  
No worries, will look at putting one of the minelab kits on it, lol! Hasn't been released yet, but should work great. Nice light unit, internal battery, wireless speaker/phones....should be perfect.

Hi all,

I have not talked about the QED for obvious reasons but now can congratulate Howard on everything finally coming to fruition I have been involved in testing ETC. for a few years and can confirm it does find gold and is in my opinion equal to a GPX 5000 in most cases and better in some cases it is excellent with  Wi-Fi head phones I use TDK WR700 and they are plug and play and work a treat those who were brought  up with manual G.B will find it easy to G.B others will soon get the hang of it, the two most important controls are the Bias and the Volume settings but once you get the hang of it it is intuitive I have had it on ground that is around 70% iron content which was near impossible to ground balance with other detectors but was no problem with the QED,  Davent talk to Buggs about a speaker he should be able to put you in touch with a supplier as he has one that plugs straight in I have one here but I have only just returned from W.A so when I have unpacked I will find the box and give you its name and model number.

Regards, Ian. ::62::

Point taken BW and maybe this posting had been forgotten about some time back.
Thanks for reposting that.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday December 29 2016 10:32:43 AEDT AM
The QED only has to be better that the ATX and the TDI because at around half the price including a quality coil it certainly has a place in the market.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Thursday December 29 2016 11:27:23 AEDT AM
Mylab is quite correct; only those present can provide info about the circumstances. But as this info has not been disseminated here, one can only speculate. It is my experience that the depleted underlying grey soils produce less ground noise than the surface "orange/red/brown" layer, and often far less ground noise. But I agree, sometimes it can surprise by producing some ground noise despite its benign appearance. The clay beneath can be noisier than the grey in between, but still less than the surface. Some of the signal from the clay seems to be because of salt quite often.

Out of interest on occasion I have tested VRM soil depth profile of earth exposed from being sliced open (by machinery), by deliberately setting a metal detector out-in-GB and waving it up and down over the layers of exposed soils. As expected the surface "orange/red/brown" layer reports strongest of all, and the signal typically gets weaker and weaker as one probes deeper and deeper, but can increase locally in clay zones, and eventually at substantial depth, the soil gives effectively no signal at all. Suggest others try this too.

Of course an exception to this is when water has deposited benign soil on top of mineralised soils, but this is usually obvious (e.g. bottom of gullies).

But this topic is about QED updates as others have pointed out, and I for one eagerly await its release!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Sunday January 1 2017 16:35:26 AEDT PM
  

The advantage of manual GB is that the setting gives feedback about ground mineralisation.
The higher the GB number, the more mineralised the ground the greater the chance of it containing gold.


First up "Happy New Year" to one and all.

This thread has certainly created a lot of views and replies as well on other forums.  

In the above quote from BW it appears the QED produces a numbered figure readout during its GB procedure.

Having those GB figures display on its LCD screen is an interesting feature and an advantage that I am not sure IF any other PI has and use also?




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday January 1 2017 17:44:46 AEDT PM
It is very useful to determine the "hotness" of the ground.
My standard backyard soil is mostly basalt. It GB's at 120.
I have a 19" diameter patch of Beggary Hill "soil" down the backyard that GB's at 130.
I went to Daisy Hill today in the VIC goldfields and it was also 130.
Each count represent 20nS of time when adjusting the position of the GB sample so from Basalt to Hot Goldfield ground requires a change of 200nS.
The QED also has other new innovations in addition to Dave Emery's patent pending Front End.
The Class D, 500KHz PWM audio provides a very sharp signal response despite the additional 4 stages of filtering to reduce EMI.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: authere on Sunday January 1 2017 19:02:47 AEDT PM
Hi Bugsy,

All the best for the New Year, With the GB being adjustable and making a difference did you include adjustment for damping of the coils to get the most out of them or is it a fixed setup now

Cheers Ron


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Sunday January 1 2017 20:21:34 AEDT PM
Bugs, will a booster enhance the signal, or is it not nessasary?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 2 2017 07:37:54 AEDT AM
The damping is fixed to suit  the typical coil 0.4 ohms / 300 uH.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 2 2017 07:39:24 AEDT AM
  
Bugs, will a booster enhance the signal, or is it not nessasary?

No external/additional booster required, increasing the BIAS boosts the signal.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday January 2 2017 10:18:26 AEDT AM
  
  
Bugs, will a booster enhance the signal, or is it not nessasary?

No external/additional booster required, increasing the BIAS boosts the signal.
How does the bias actually work to boost the signal?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 2 2017 16:56:16 AEDT PM
The VCA circuit (controls the signal volume) uses a small signal switching FET.
Such FET's have a Gate threshold voltage. The BIAS is used to raise the voltage so that when over a target it takes less signal strength to produce a good audible signal.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hair-trigger



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday January 2 2017 17:28:38 AEDT PM
  
The VCA circuit (controls the signal volume) uses a small signal switching FET.
Such FET's have a Gate threshold voltage. The BIAS is used to raise the voltage so that when over a target it takes less signal strength to produce a good audible signal.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hair-trigger




So could the bias be used to "dampen down" any ground responses from highly  mineralized and variable ground?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 2 2017 19:09:33 AEDT PM
  
  
The VCA circuit (controls the signal volume) uses a small signal switching FET.
Such FET's have a Gate threshold voltage. The BIAS is used to raise the voltage so that when over a target it takes less signal strength to produce a good audible signal.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hair-trigger




So could the bias be used to "dampen down" any ground responses from highly  mineralized and variable ground?
doug ::419::

The bias can be reduced to cope with high EMI levels and anything else that produces a signal like moans from variable ground. Target detection signal will also be reduced.  Variable ground tends to produce a groan rather than a chirp from a metal target making it easy to discern the difference.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 7 2017 09:56:20 AEDT AM
A lightning strike has taken out BW Internet and telephone. When he gets back online he will provide an update  re the QED  battery situation. I know it must be frustrating that this is holding up sales but it came about because BW was advised NOT to sell the QED with Li batteries because of the huge public liability risk for the dealer and BW and this necessitated a change of plan. If people want to use Li batteries then they can do so but they will have make the mods to the battery box themselves. Instructions on how to do this will be provided in the manual or an addendum to it.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Monday January 9 2017 13:06:18 AEDT PM
So any information at all on the progress?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 9 2017 13:40:49 AEDT PM
  
So any information at all on the progress?

I am hoping to get some stock to Dean by the end of this week.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Monday January 9 2017 15:32:41 AEDT PM
  

I am hoping to get some stock to Dean by the end of this week.


Thats good news Bugs. Glad to hear the soldering iron was not stopped by the comms outage you had, not for long anyway.  ::419::

The $650 estimated price quoted by some flounders was made years ago, before it was redesigned / upgradded & the newest technology built into it. Includes a good coil valued at around $500 too. MADE (designed & built/assembled) in AUSTRALIA too, thats a good thing, worth "crowing" about.

 Pass the salt & pepper their way wouldya Reg?   ::620::

If you have your own coil & want just the box & stem then its only $1200 *   ::10 ::

What else can you get for that money??? (quoting YF)

 ::62::

* PS: That's COMMERCIAL REALITY ..... but without the GOLD TAX!!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 10 2017 09:25:33 AEDT AM
I saw  the production  QED for the first time yesterday (after Reg had left) .It was only used in BW backyard which is FULL of buried junk! One thing that did stand out is how the target response on  some small  gold was largely unaffected by sweep speed from very slow to extremely fast.In fact  to me it seemed the target response was better at very fast sweep speeds.So for those  patch hunting it should give a lot more ground coverage in a days detecting than  ML detectors.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 10 2017 13:26:11 AEDT PM
Another advantage of the QED is its very simple circuit which BW knows like the back of his hand. Should a fault  occur in a QED then by the nature of the fault BW will know exactly what it is caused by and thus will be able to quickly rectify it.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 10 2017 13:33:10 AEDT PM
 The delay of the QED availability is due to the  battery box circuit boards which BW ordered and had made. When delivered they were not as he specified.As a result he has to very carefully cut  each of them in half and then cut out each corner(so that they will fit in the battery box) which takes time and must be done with great care.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday January 10 2017 19:17:33 AEDT PM
Back on topic.
The QED battery box. 2 layers of 6 cells providing 9-10 hours of detection time.
ALDI cells shown costing just $18 for the full set of 12.
The pink string makes it easier to lift the pack out when changing batteries.
It's a snug fit so there is no rattling or wire/joint fatigueing when swinging.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Tuesday January 10 2017 21:36:15 AEDT PM
So batteries and chargers not included then?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday January 11 2017 06:45:09 AEDT AM
  
So batteries and chargers not included then?

A battery set and 12 cell charger are included in the $1800 price.
If people want extras they are readily available and very affordable.
 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday January 11 2017 08:51:53 AEDT AM
thats awesome Bugs!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 11 2017 09:59:55 AEDT AM
 I see that Lachlan on finders says  that the QED lacks a salt timing  for conductive ground and raises this as  a criticism.Well  just look at the problems that conductive ground causes the  SAD 7000 a detector costing over 5x the QED price and  whose 19" coil costs more than than the QED!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 11 2017 11:05:50 AEDT AM
 The QED does not auto tracking.Auto tracking has upsides and downsides.The downside is that with mono coils on the gp/gpx its possible to track  out some fainter target signals (won't happen with a DD coil) if the coil is repeatedly swept over the target.With the QED I don't think this can ever happen regardless of swing speed or how often the coil is swept across the target.
doug ::419::
Edited:Wednesday January 11 2017 21:24:21 AEDT PM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 11 2017 11:24:36 AEDT AM
Gb digital readout
The QED GB gives a digital readout for the ground,As i understand it the higher the reading the more mineralized the ground. From memory a typical readout for Vic ground is around 130 .Beggary Hill from Wedderburn gives about 138 but some ground from Teetulpa  in SA gives a readout of 148!!! When you drop a magnet into this soil  the magnet picks up nearly ALL the ground.Its just like dropping a magnet into iron filings! I was amazed when BW showed me this.The QED  is able to GB over this soil  as reported by a tester in an earlier post.
IBgold
"I have had it (QED) on ground that is around 70% iron content which was near impossible to ground balance with other detectors but was no problem with the QED"
doug ::419::
Edited:Wednesday January 11 2017 11:38:09 AEDT AM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Wednesday January 11 2017 12:31:29 AEDT PM
  

When you drop a magnet into this soil  the magnet picks up nearly ALL the ground.Its just like dropping a magnet into iron filings! I was amazed when BW showed me this.The QED  is able to GB over this soil  as reported by a tester in an earlier post. IBgold


"I have had it (QED) on ground that is around 70% iron content which was near impossible to ground balance with other detectors but was no problem with the QED"


Where I detect if I place and move my magnet on the ground the magnet has a roundish ball of ground stuck to it so has that something to do with the VRM of the ground.

I wonder if the settings IBGold used to GB on that ground were the factory pre-set settings that BW sets in the QED?

Also was he using one of the new Flat wound monos or some other mono coil at the time?

Hopefully IBGold can answer.




Title: Re: QED update: Battery pack question
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 11 2017 14:01:09 AEDT PM
 Bugs why  have you decided to use a battery pack where the individual cells have to be charged rather than being able to charge the battery pack as a whole unit?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update - Batteries Again
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 11 2017 14:03:36 AEDT PM
Bugs, below is a question Dustyminer has raised about QED batteries on Finders.
Says ... I should be asking him myself but haven't recovered my password over there yet since I got my new laptop.

Quote


.... I would be using the best available for performance and longevity... that's a given. However the recharging is problematic. Every time you were to withdraw the batteries for recharging is going to induce stress on the wiring regardless of how careful you are and each time you do it you are exposing the internals to possible corruption from dust, etc.

I think my preference would be to either ask Bugs or a competent electronics technician to add a usb port in the casing to recharge the batteries in a bank in situ. We do this with mobile phones so I could not see it being a huge deal and then that also allows to carry a small power bank for charges on the go if required.

Kinda surprised it has not been set up like that already so will be interested in any feedback if anyone is talking to Bugs..
 Dustyminer on Finders

Seems it would cause further delays & complications at this stage of production

(I see Doug has posted the question another way.)

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday January 11 2017 14:59:35 AEDT PM
It is possible to charge the whole box without removing batteries but it's not recommended to always do this. Each third or fourth change should be a "balanced" charge ie each cell individually. This maximises battery life and gives best performance.
The user would require a car charger with the correct socket for the battery box. Something I will look at soon.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kris on Wednesday January 11 2017 23:19:24 AEDT PM
 Great news Howard congratulations, will have to come up and check it out. ::402::
regards
Chris


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 12 2017 13:24:45 AEDT PM
Reg wilsons latest report.QED finds a tiny "nugget".
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672-the-qed-and-me
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672-the-qed-and-me
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Thursday January 12 2017 13:56:17 AEDT PM
  
Reg wilsons latest report.QED finds a tiny "nugget".
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672-the-qed-and-me
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672-the-qed-and-me
doug


and more on Finders ... extract of key points below

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...I dug a small colour at about three inches that was a very sweet and definite signal. It would be lucky to be .3 of a gram.  I changed coils ... and found it excellent, .....
The next step is to go into deeper ground with a larger coil, as the QED has proved itself on small gold as far as I'm concerned.


Sounds like a tick for small stuff. The search & reporting continues...
Finding gold is always nice but its IS a metal detector, so no surprise.

 ::62::

link:-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=420


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: IBGold on Thursday January 12 2017 16:08:54 AEDT PM
  
  

When you drop a magnet into this soil  the magnet picks up nearly ALL the ground.Its just like dropping a magnet into iron filings! I was amazed when BW showed me this.The QED  is able to GB over this soil  as reported by a tester in an earlier post. IBgold


"I have had it (QED) on ground that is around 70% iron content which was near impossible to ground balance with other detectors but was no problem with the QED"



Where I detect if I place and move my magnet on the ground the magnet has a roundish ball of ground stuck to it so has that something to do with the VRM of the ground.

I wonder if the settings IBGold used to GB on that ground were the factory pre-set settings that BW sets in the QED?

Also was he using one of the new Flat wound monos or some other mono coil at the time?

Hopefully IBGold can answer.





To answer your questions  you have to remember that testing session was about three or 4 software versions ago but from my notes the G/B was on 149 and the maximum I have had to use and to this stage all my testing has been with my 3 to 1 mono coils or standard mono's but now I own two EVO coils a 12" and a 14" x 9" I will test with these next time out when it stops raining here and the temperature cools down .

Regards, Ian. ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Thursday January 12 2017 17:26:14 AEDT PM
  
To answer your questions  you have to remember that testing session was about three or 4 software versions ago but from my notes the G/B was on 149 and the maximum I have had to use and to this stage all my testing has been with my 3 to 1 mono coils or standard mono's but now I own two EVO coils a 12" and a 14" x 9" I will test with these next time out when it stops raining here and the temperature cools down .

Regards, Ian. ::62::

Thanks Ian for your reply.

Look forward to how both Evo coils can handle your HOT ground compared to your other coils.

It would be good if all BW has to do to update your QED to the latest version is plug into a port and perform a software update ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday January 12 2017 18:39:04 AEDT PM
  
  
To answer your questions  you have to remember that testing session was about three or 4 software versions ago but from my notes the G/B was on 149 and the maximum I have had to use and to this stage all my testing has been with my 3 to 1 mono coils or standard mono's but now I own two EVO coils a 12" and a 14" x 9" I will test with these next time out when it stops raining here and the temperature cools down .

Regards, Ian. ::62::

Thanks Ian for your reply.

Look forward to how both Evo coils can handle your HOT ground compared to your other coils.

It would be good if all BW has to do to update your QED to the latest version is plug into a port and perform a software update ?

The QED is re-programmable but not by the customer.
An earlier board revision of August 2015 had a socket on the back for reprogramming but the latest board (November 2016) doesn't.
These early boards are with testers located in every state except Tasmania.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Friday January 13 2017 07:58:05 AEDT AM
hi bugs ,
from all reports so far, looking good  ::73:: ::23::
red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday January 13 2017 11:00:18 AEDT AM
I reckon it was looking good as soon as the big company men started bagging it! I made my mind up to buy one the 2nd day of the announcement, one of the reasons being the attack from the knockers, personal attack, and the way they tried to tell us all how much of a failure it would be, then they went on the attack about warrenty etc, sounded desperate, like they were threatens by it or something. I will order mine as soon as I've paid some badly timed bills.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Friday January 13 2017 11:29:56 AEDT AM
hi davent
i have noticed some backing off with the boots or even gone silent by some hmmmm,
maybe they have placed an order for  Qed and dont want any of there ml mates to find out ,lol
im just glad we have an oz detector again
small company , listening to what people want
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Friday January 13 2017 12:01:02 AEDT PM
  

I reckon it was looking good as soon as the big company men started bagging it! I made my mind up to buy one the 2nd day of the announcement, one of the reasons being the attack from the knockers, personal attack, and the way they tried to tell us all how much of a failure it would be, then they went on the attack about warrenty etc, sounded desperate, like they were threatens by it or something. I will order mine as soon as I've paid some badly timed bills.


Yes Dave, for many years the QEDs existence was denied then disparaged, (as have its developer Bugs & its supporters), even accused of being a copy etc etc. A sure sign they were worried what was being said about it here was right on the money. Unconscionable delaying methods were even applied to Bugs. A saying goes “it requires a common enemy to unite (polarise) us” . How true that has been!

Test reports will be coming in from a number of quarters from most states it seems over the next few months. Then prospective buyers & skeptics can make up their own mind, accept it or not, buy one or not, find gold with one or not.

But I was wrong about Reg having "a production model". He was SOLD, so he didnt have to a wait, a pre-production prototype (with a port for software modification, if required). But as Inhere says, thats not unusual. Reg & designers would also know that from the past. If its functionaly is the same as a production model it will make no difference to what Reg finds about its performance. A production model would have reduced the suspicions some have, but delayed his assessment.

You can see the defenders of the status quo on 4-umer already calling Reg a "joker with an agenda", and putting pressure on him for “proof”. For me his word as an experienced apostle is enough, others want more visual proof. Others want him to make a comparison with ML top performers ASAP, as if their life or future savings depended on buying or not buying it.

This stormy weather here will test its resistance to lighting-induced interference.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Friday January 13 2017 12:03:24 AEDT PM
  

im just glad we have an oz detector again
small company , listening to what people want
cheers red



Red, this is likely the hush (or rush) before the storm …. The QED will speak for itself through testers and conciencious users, not through its knockers.

Yes, great to have an Aussie designed and built PI detector available, one that’s easy to handle and affordable (without the Gold Tax). I hope Bugs can keep up with orders.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday January 13 2017 13:43:11 AEDT PM
I hope he can keep up as well, I'm doing a trip to WA in August/sept and want to get some time with one here in the NT before I go. Still about a month before I can order one, and I reckon the order list will be pretty long in a months time!
Hope Dean has a good supply of 12$ evo,s!


Title: Re: QED update: clarification on firmware updates
Post by: Doug on Friday January 13 2017 22:14:04 AEDT PM
 On the  production model of the QED the only person that can update the firmware is BW. The firmware is also  very securely  "locked up" and can only be accessed by BW. The firmware in Regs detector is the same as the production QED.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: clarification on firmware updates
Post by: Doug on Friday January 13 2017 22:26:22 AEDT PM
  
On the  production model of the QED the only person that can update the firmware is BW. The firmware is also  very securely  "locked up" and can only be accessed by BW. The firmware in Regs detector is the same as the production QED.
doug ::419::

BW has not only designed  the circuit and its layout for the QED but also written the S code(firmware) for the QED which is not a trivial task!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Friday January 13 2017 22:42:58 AEDT PM
Cant imagine how many pages of code there is for the QED ..and how many pain staking hours at the keyboard Bugs had put into it... My hat goes off to him.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday January 15 2017 18:03:13 AEDT PM
  
Cant imagine how many pages of code there is for the QED ..and how many pain staking hours at the keyboard Bugs had put into it... My hat goes off to him.

The QED sourcecode is around 1300 lines which equates to around 1300 instructions/data. This efficiency is achieved by writing in Assembly Language. It produces the fastest and most compact programs.

The Mode function (menu item #5) in the QED is a very important innovation, it allows the detector to be adjusted to suit the coil.
While it is generally accepted that a PI needs to sample as early as possible to detect very small/short TC targets sometimes things aren't what they seem.
A test with two 8" MONO coils on a 0.04g "nugget" (~ 1mm spherical) resulted in the following.

Coil #1 could be run in mode #1 and detect the target at a bit over 1.5".
Coil #2 needed to be in mode #3 and picked up the nugget at an additional 0.5 - 0.75 inches.

Mode #3 samples 0.8 uS later than Mode #1 yet the same sized coil gave a better result.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Sunday January 15 2017 18:10:36 AEDT PM
What was the difference between Coil #1 and Coil #2, that made it necessary to use different modes for each one ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday January 15 2017 18:28:12 AEDT PM
  
What was the difference between Coil #1 and Coil #2, that made it necessary to use different modes for each one ?

Parasitic capacitance either from the coax or shielding.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Sunday January 15 2017 20:59:42 AEDT PM
Yes many paramaters of a coil to consider ... coax cable type and capacitance, coil to shield capacitance , coil inductance and impedance, coil wire type used , so one would think the manufactures would replicate the parent coil .. maybe they dont or should I say not exact.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday January 16 2017 09:35:49 AEDT AM
Re  Reg Wilson.
A few things need clarification with regard to  Reg wilson.
Firstly Reg is not a member of this forum and I have had no personal contact with him at all .Nor have I ever met him except perhaps in the past at PMAV general meetings. As far as BW  goes I believe that its only very recently that  Reg made contact with him and asked could he test a QED after seeing it work in BW backyard. Reg has had no input into the design and has no pecuniary or other vested interest in the QED other than it may be useful addition to his prospecting armory due to the QED's ability to scan the ground at high sweep speeds without losing any signal  resolution or  apparently  any sensitivity/depth although more testing on deeper targets needs to be done.
The QED's very light weight and ease of use and good GB  and easy pinpointing would further enhance the ability of the QED to  very quickly cover a lot of ground when hunting for new patches which is what Reg is all about. Reg has no QED agenda other than it may be another useful tool for his prospecting endeavors.
doug ::419::
Edited:Monday January 16 2017 09:40:38 AEDT AM


Title: Re: QED update : another users report
Post by: Doug on Monday January 16 2017 23:05:02 AEDT PM
 See the latest QED post on finders by  "Yellowfin."
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Tuesday January 17 2017 07:54:36 AEDT AM
I find the two coils example fascinating. Its like Coil #2 had more "gain", enough to offer better depth than Coil #1 even though it was receiving the sample later (Mode #3).


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Tuesday January 17 2017 08:49:31 AEDT AM
 ::27:: ::05::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday January 17 2017 09:03:47 AEDT AM
  
I find the two coils example fascinating. Its like Coil #2 had more "gain", enough to offer better depth than Coil #1 even though it was receiving the sample later (Mode #3).

The signal from the coil is amplified by the PREAMP and then processed by the the Integrator that is used as a null summation/averaging means as published by Eric Foster in 1968. An integrator works on amplitude and time. Perhaps the slower coils parasitic capacitance extends the time and faster coils provide greater amplitude.


Title: Re: QED update : another users report
Post by: mylab on Tuesday January 17 2017 11:17:32 AEDT AM
  

See the latest QED post on finders by  "Yellowfin."
doug


Yellowfin's reports on Page 32 are excellent examples of the QED's Mode functionality.  

Also the settings he posted for the 11" coil shows the QED does not need or require the amount / array of settings that the GPX or GPZ has on offer which could confuse the operator to use for best results.

Sometimes less is better and it appears this may be the case with the QED as more results filter in from the goldfield.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Tuesday January 17 2017 12:43:19 AEDT PM
Ye Bugs has kept it simple using the KIS strategy "Keep It Simple"
no frustrating menus to navigate thru ..less the better so you can get on with your prospecting ..thumbs up  ::73:: ::73::


Title: Re: QED update- a GB Triumph
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 18 2017 12:00:47 AEDT PM
QED - GB a Triumph on hot ground

For those who missed it....

Quote

I've not been able to GB a Mono on this site regardless of the timings used on the 5000, ….  the depth sacrifice makes it a complete waste of time. .... Now the QED balances a Mono here without an issue, ...and it appears to detect target’s at a depth that we’ve missed ..   (YF, Finders QED p 34)

Some hot ground caused "a GPX to complain a bit, but the QED handled it easily. (Reg, Finders,)


Now I would call that a TRIUMPH for the QED over the 5000 (& models preceeding it) on GB on hot ground, wouldn't you?

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update - Musings?
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 18 2017 12:31:26 AEDT PM
..... common enemies make enemies become friends!...
we shouldn't have been forced to take up arms with words - we were compelled to defend ourselves make a stand here for what the QED symbolises*  (in tribute to PL, post Eureka).

Below shows a poor attempt at humour / distraction elsewhere from the QED facts

Musings (below) by a Finders fool, while sitting on an outdoor dunnie in the heat, is neither close to any truth nor helpfiul to prospectors. Readers & testers are onto the attributes of the QED already, no publicity required, just facts from tests without musings! Talk about a crumpet basher!

1. What if after Reg’s tests the QED turns out to be "nothing more than a useful beeper aimed at the budget/entry level (newbie prospector, who have) got all the time in the world (for a ) manual GB newbie. ….. "

Duhhh.... Smart prospectors & newbies learn from the GB info the QED gives with manual GB. Further, it balances where a 5000 won’t!  (Refer to what YF has found above.)

2. Bugs …. "needs someone to buy him out."

“Someone" may well buy him out, or “someone" may manufacture &/or sell the QED under licence, or licence to use his IP or … or … the possibilities are endless!  (I was told by Bugs that the QED DOES contain patented & licensed IP.)

But don’t worry, it works easily for the old & new prospector alike, without a Gold Tax.

3. "No doubt the first thing to be addressed will be the archaic manual ground balance and add some professional marketing…. exclusive of agenda driven supporters of the last ten years."

Hmmmmm "archaic GB" eh? ….. so funny when the old timers & sensible prospectors can use it when a 5000 won't GB on such hot ground! Combined with rugged electronics at affordable prices they now know better.  

Expensive professional BS (called marketing) is not required to add to costs when word-of-mouth & reports do the job. No sharelholders to please, just prospectors.

* This forum’s primary "agenda" was always to support & defend new & affordable MDs like the QED

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Friday January 20 2017 09:09:49 AEDT AM
BugWiskers,

Looks like your brainchild is a great success! Congrats!

May I ask a technical question please, for which it goes without saying, that NO answer is expect answer if it gives away any of your IP?

As you know, I think I understand the ML Smooth patent (and of course, take it for granted you are not infringing it). But wow, the QED is reported to have even lower ground noise than Smooth AND excellent depth! Finding gold deeper than extant detectors in well-worked areas is all about target signal to ground noise ratio, something which you have clearly cracked. (Obviously this is not the case in bulldozed ground, nor areas that have had none or few detectors pass over it.) Even more amazing, the QED produces low ground noise where other detectors produce impractically severe ground signals. How the heck have you achieved this truly landmark breakthrough, especially given that other BIG $ companies are battling to do the same? Seriously awesome! I am amazed others have not noted the immense significance of this!

Thanks.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 20 2017 10:37:33 AEDT AM
  

As you know, I think I understand the ML Smooth patent

What is the ML smooth patent number?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday January 20 2017 12:24:22 AEDT PM
  
BugWiskers,

Looks like your brainchild is a great success! Congrats!

May I ask a technical question please, for which it goes without saying, that NO answer is expect answer if it gives away any of your IP?

As you know, I think I understand the ML Smooth patent (and of course, take it for granted you are not infringing it). But wow, the QED is reported to have even lower ground noise than Smooth AND excellent depth! Finding gold deeper than extant detectors in well-worked areas is all about target signal to ground noise ratio, something which you have clearly cracked. (Obviously this is not the case in bulldozed ground, nor areas that have had none or few detectors pass over it.) Even more amazing, the QED produces low ground noise where other detectors produce impractically severe ground signals. How the heck have you achieved this truly landmark breakthrough, especially given that other BIG $ companies are battling to do the same? Seriously awesome! I am amazed others have not noted the immense significance of this!

Thanks.


The QED GB method was posted in this forum back in April 2016. It uses a combination of the work/lapsed patents of Eric Foster, Chapman & Howells, and Dr George Paltoglou.

I believe the improvement over prior art is due to the Bipolar Integrating ADC and the use of 4 extra stages of LPF using class D techniques that don't suffer phase lag to drive both VCA and VCO. This disclosure creates my copyright.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 20 2017 12:35:38 AEDT PM
  
  
BugWiskers,

Looks like your brainchild is a great success! Congrats!

May I ask a technical question please, for which it goes without saying, that NO answer is expect answer if it gives away any of your IP?

As you know, I think I understand the ML Smooth patent (and of course, take it for granted you are not infringing it). But wow, the QED is reported to have even lower ground noise than Smooth AND excellent depth! Finding gold deeper than extant detectors in well-worked areas is all about target signal to ground noise ratio, something which you have clearly cracked. (Obviously this is not the case in bulldozed ground, nor areas that have had none or few detectors pass over it.) Even more amazing, the QED produces low ground noise where other detectors produce impractically severe ground signals. How the heck have you achieved this truly landmark breakthrough, especially given that other BIG $ companies are battling to do the same? Seriously awesome! I am amazed others have not noted the immense significance of this!

Thanks.


The QED GB method was posted in this forum back in April 2016. It uses a combination of the work/lapsed patents of Eric Foster, Chapman & Howells, and Dr George Paltoglou.

I believe the improvement over prior art is due to the Bipolar Integrating ADC and the use of 4 extra stages of LPF using class D techniques that don't suffer phase lag to drive both VCA and VCO. This disclosure creates my copyright.

The QED circuit being much simpler(relatively few components) also likely contributes to a  lower noise  ie better S/N than other comparable detectors. The patent applied for front end  may also play a part.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 20 2017 12:55:39 AEDT PM
Why would anyone now want to buy an sdc2300 when they can have a QED at about 1/2 the price and use a range of mono coils from say 8"-24" rather than being stuck with an 8" tiddler coil on the SDC?
just my thoughts,
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 20 2017 13:21:18 AEDT PM
Some forums appear to live in their own little world. Their is nothing about the QED on prospectingaustralia.com even on the  board discussing other detector brands!
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=38
link-https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=38
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 20 2017 13:29:02 AEDT PM
  
  
BugWiskers,

Looks like your brainchild is a great success! Congrats!

May I ask a technical question please, for which it goes without saying, that NO answer is expect answer if it gives away any of your IP?

As you know, I think I understand the ML Smooth patent (and of course, take it for granted you are not infringing it). But wow, the QED is reported to have even lower ground noise than Smooth AND excellent depth! Finding gold deeper than extant detectors in well-worked areas is all about target signal to ground noise ratio, something which you have clearly cracked. (Obviously this is not the case in bulldozed ground, nor areas that have had none or few detectors pass over it.) Even more amazing, the QED produces low ground noise where other detectors produce impractically severe ground signals. How the heck have you achieved this truly landmark breakthrough, especially given that other BIG $ companies are battling to do the same? Seriously awesome! I am amazed others have not noted the immense significance of this!

Thanks.


The QED GB method was posted in this forum back in April 2016. It uses a combination of the work/lapsed patents of Eric Foster, Chapman & Howells, and Dr George Paltoglou.

I believe the improvement over prior art is due to the Bipolar Integrating ADC and the use of 4 extra stages of LPF using class D techniques that don't suffer phase lag to drive both VCA and VCO. This disclosure creates my copyright.

Application Note AN-1071
Class D Audio Amplifier Basics

By Jun Honda & Jonathan Adams
Table of Contents
Page
What is a Class D Audio Amplifier? – Theory of Operation ..................2
Topology Comparison – Linear vs. Class D .........................................4
Analogy to a Synchronous Buck Converter..........................................5
Power Losses in the MOSFETs ...........................................................6
Half Bridge vs. Full Bridge....................................................................7
Major Cause of Imperfection ................................................................8
THD and Dead Time ............................................................................9
Audio Performance Measurement........................................................10
Shoot Through and Dead Time............................................................11
Power Supply Pumping........................................................................12
EMI Consideration: Qrr in Body Diode .................................................13
Conclusion ...........................................................................................14
A Class D audio amplifier is basically a switching amplifier or PWM amplifier. There are a number
of different classes of amplifiers. This application note takes a look at the definitions for the main
classifications.
http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Friday January 20 2017 13:38:52 AEDT PM
  
Some forums appear to live in their own little world. Their is nothing about the QED on prospectingaustralia.com even on the  board discussing other detector brands!
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=38
link-https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=38
doug ::419::

Have a look here : https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=26
It is under the heading Metal Detectors


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 20 2017 13:45:36 AEDT PM
  
  
Some forums appear to live in their own little world. Their is nothing about the QED on prospectingaustralia.com even on the  board discussing other detector brands!
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=38
link-https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=38
doug ::419::

Have a look here: https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?id=26

Thanks! Perhaps i am the one living in a forum bubble!  ::75::  ::620::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 20 2017 17:09:43 AEDT PM
  
Why would anyone now want to buy an sdc2300 when they can have a QED at about 1/2 the price and use a range of mono coils from say 8"-24" rather than being stuck with an 8" tiddler coil on the SDC?
just my thoughts,
doug ::419::

Based on some recent testing the QED can also detect some  tiny specimen gold (and some very minute bits) that the SDC 2300 can't!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday January 20 2017 17:19:03 AEDT PM
All PI detectors that use an integrator as a null summation/averaging means as published by Eric Foster in 1968 will have a detection "hole" for any target that has the same decay characteristics as the ground. In the QED in MODE 1  a 70 * 70mm single sided copper PCB falls into that hole. There are other factors that come into play ie conductivity, profile area, thickness, orientation etc. I know someone who has a 2g Nugget that is just detectable at 2" with a well known brand.I haven't found a nugget yet that falls into the QED "hole" but I may have swung the coil over it over it !


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Saturday January 21 2017 07:01:20 AEDT AM
Thanks very much for your reply BugWiskers.

I certainly do well-remember your post about the QED method (Rx demodulation following the short Tx pulse – Rx demodulation following  the long Tx pulse, with the long Tx pulse’s Rx window position acting as GB). This will not produce low ground noise of course, but because the proof is in the pudding; the QED does have extremely low ground noise, therefore you have developed some other super-cunning idea, that you have now kindly disclosed. I hope you have this break-through thoroughly patented?

I now expose my woeful ignorance; I am clueless why this important advance to the art, the LPF higher order & zero phase lag, should so improve to target-to-ground-noise ratio as is being witnessed by testers. Could you kindly please explain, and again of course, NO answer expected if this is confidential IP.

Thanks so much again! Looking forward to someday soon using a QED!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 21 2017 09:34:42 AEDT AM
  
I certainly do well-remember your post about the QED method (Rx demodulation following the short Tx pulse – Rx demodulation following  the long Tx pulse, with the long Tx pulse’s Rx window position acting as GB). This will not produce low ground noise of course
Why will the GB method as disclosed not produce low ground noise? Have you found the smooth patent number for me yet?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 21 2017 10:08:10 AEDT AM
Question  on the QED batteries from another forum
Does the  QED performance drop/lag as batteries decline in capacity?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday January 21 2017 11:59:22 AEDT AM
  
Question  on the QED batteries from another forum
Does the  QED performance drop/lag as batteries decline in capacity?
doug ::419::

The answer is no because the TX voltage is constant regardless of the battery voltage.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday January 21 2017 12:04:01 AEDT PM
  
All PI detectors that use an integrator as a null summation/averaging means as published by Eric Foster in 1968 will have a detection "hole" for any target that has the same decay characteristics as the ground. In the QED in MODE 1  a 70 * 70mm single sided copper PCB falls into that hole. There are other factors that come into play ie conductivity, profile area, thickness, orientation etc. I know someone who has a 2g Nugget that is just detectable at 2" with a well known brand.I haven't found a nugget yet that falls into the QED "hole" but I may have swung the coil over it over it !

There is one other constituent and it too is a part of the PI science taught by Eric Foster.
Perhaps when you find the "Smooth GB" patent number as request by Doug you would care to explain the differences between it and AU2010101019


Title: Re: QED update :QED complies with ACMA regulations.
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 21 2017 13:36:28 AEDT PM
 The QED complies with ACMA regulations.It has C tick approval.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kazza on Sunday January 22 2017 10:06:50 AEDT AM
Doug, the reasons why the QED demodulation scheme will give ground noise are given in my (long) attempt at explaining Smooth, as I understand it from the patent, but my understanding easily could be flawed! That description was my best shot and I put a lot of effort into it. Sorry, unable to contribute any further insight.

Moving forward…  why bother giving Smooth any further consideration? BugWiskers has successfully by-passed it with a superior method as witnessed by QED field reports; providing even less ground noise; working areas that Smooth cannot work at all; making Smooth irrelevantly obsolete!

Wish I knew the reasoning behind the QED A/D secret. Best of luck exploiting it!



(P.S. Please, I do not wish to get involved in politics. We all know that the ‘515 Smooth patent has been mentioned many times and that it was a ML/BW “issue.” Encourage you to look to the future, not the past. Suggest this will achieve far more. Thanks.)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 23 2017 06:27:20 AEDT AM
QED operational / instructional videos will be available later this week.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Monday January 23 2017 09:15:03 AEDT AM
nice b/w  ::10 ::
red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday January 23 2017 09:28:36 AEDT AM
  
QED operational / instructional videos will be available later this week.

Will they be uploaded to  utube?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 23 2017 15:59:14 AEDT PM
Yes YouTube.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Monday January 23 2017 21:15:16 AEDT PM
Just as well I subbed your youtube account then bugs. Will be very interested to see what the instructional video's are going to entail.

I noted on another forum that I am not a member off a claim that there is a 50+ person waiting list already at Goldsearch Australia. If that is factual then that is a bloody big vote of confidence in an untried product given that most will be cautious waiting on initial reports from Reg and early purchasers. Perhaps your word is worth more than you may believe yourself to the punters.

No doubt you will have up's and downs going forward but you have managed to do what others claimed you never would and brought the QED into the market... and isn't that something.

It's funny you know... the 7000 went for months before producing gold in acceptable numbers to the punters with lots of bitching and recriminations in the interim, people spitting the dummy and selling the Zeds within a few weeks of purchase, etc, and now the same knockers are demanding instant gratification without allowing the QED time to find it's feet. The whole thing is nearly comedic. Regardless of what is said or claimed in these early days the proof will be in the pudding and that will take time. Best of luck Bugs and I will be taking a keen interest in how the QED stacks up.... as will anyone that is looking for value for money  ::419:: 


Title: Re: QED update:noise spikes from lightning strikes?
Post by: Doug on Monday January 23 2017 21:47:08 AEDT PM
BW is it possible to reduce the intensity of the fast noise spikes caused by  Sferics or lightning strikes (or indeed any other  sources of noise spikes) which may be mistaken for genuine target signals on the QED which has a fast  target  response?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 23 2017 21:54:50 AEDT PM
  
BW is it possible to reduce the intensity of the fast noise spikes caused by  Sferics or lightning strikes (or indeed any other  sources of noise spikes) which may be mistaken for genuine target signals on the QED which has a fast  target  response?
doug ::419::

Spurious high level EMI spikes can be minimised by clipping both via hardware and software. There is a section in the QED program that limits them but more will be done later when I am not married to the soldering station.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 23 2017 22:05:10 AEDT PM
  
Just as well I subbed your youtube account then bugs. Will be very interested to see what the instructional video's are going to entail.

I noted on another forum that I am not a member off a claim that there is a 50+ person waiting list already at Goldsearch Australia. If that is factual then that is a bloody big vote of confidence in an untried product given that most will be cautious waiting on initial reports from Reg and early purchasers. Perhaps your word is worth more than you may believe yourself to the punters.

No doubt you will have up's and downs going forward but you have managed to do what others claimed you never would and brought the QED into the market... and isn't that something.

It's funny you know... the 7000 went for months before producing gold in acceptable numbers to the punters with lots of bitching and recriminations in the interim, people spitting the dummy and selling the Zeds within a few weeks of purchase, etc, and now the same knockers are demanding instant gratification without allowing the QED time to find it's feet. The whole thing is nearly comedic. Regardless of what is said or claimed in these early days the proof will be in the pudding and that will take time. Best of luck Bugs and I will be taking a keen interest in how the QED stacks up.... as will anyone that is looking for value for money  ::419:: 

Precisely.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday January 23 2017 23:17:04 AEDT PM
 one thing that is coming out from the testers is how vital it is to set up the QED  correctly whenever the coil is changed  to get peak performance. This must be explained and demonstrated in any videos and very clearly in the manual.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Gypsy on Monday January 23 2017 23:37:39 AEDT PM
WOW been so long since ive been on any forums and first one i log into i see this great news, well done guys for getting it close to being on the shelves.
cheers Gypsy


Title: Re: QED update:coil question
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 00:01:56 AEDT AM
 BW do think the QED current drain with an 18" mono will be similar to a smaller coil?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:coiltek test site results
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 00:11:05 AEDT AM
 I think that from today's test results (thanks  Reg and  Wombat) that we can safely assume that the QED can detect larger targets at depth.So it would appear that the QED has the sensitivity to small gold comparable to the SDC and at the same time  will be able to detect deeper  nuggets if they are there. The  independent test results confirm earlier test results.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday January 24 2017 06:47:09 AEDT AM
  
BW do think the QED current drain with an 18" mono will be similar to a smaller coil?
doug ::419::

They will be very similar. Most aftermarket coils are 300uH and 0.4 ohms. What is not common is the speed of the coil ie it's resonant frequency and it can vary considerably. Tuning the detector to match the coil is what MODE (QED menu item #5) does.


Title: Re: QED update:coiltek test site results
Post by: Eski on Tuesday January 24 2017 08:49:39 AEDT AM
  
I think that from today's test results (thanks  Reg and  Wombat) that we can safely assume that the QED can detect larger targets at depth.So it would appear that the QED has the sensitivity to small gold comparable to the SDC and at the same time  will be able to detect deeper  nuggets if they are there. The  independent test results confirm earlier test results.
doug ::419::

Definately agree  - An sdc was a total fail on my part ironstone coated 1.5G chunk. but the QED got it close to Z but in hotter ground.


Title: Re: QED Comparison
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 24 2017 10:46:04 AEDT AM
  

I think that from today's test results (thanks  Reg and  Wombat) that we can safely assume that the QED can detect larger targets at depth.So it would appear that the QED has the sensitivity to small gold comparable to the SDC and at the same time  will be able to detect deeper  nuggets if they are there. The independent test results confirm earlier test results.
doug



Yep totally agree Doug.

  

Without cherry picking, some analysis from the chart for the yet-to-be-formed "QED Marketing Dept"   ::620::

Comparing brands / models & giving the 243* aggregate score as 100% to the GPX 5000, the industry PI standard (some say), the following shows a comparison as a %

(* Using Aggregate Scores, all round score on small - large metal targets on ground in air tests)

Aggregate       Model             Score       Comments
Score*                              (rel. to GPX 5000)

157                2300                   64%      lower cost, easy to use standard for smaller gold
163                 ATX                    67%      US made PI standard, affordable

226         GPX 4500 (12” EVO)    93%      the PI target for GR & critics
232         GPZ 7000 (14”)           95%      "the disappointer" BUT may offer some advantages
241         QED (12” EVO)            99%   Aust made challenger: most affordable, lightweight & good performer
243         GPX 5000 (12” EVO)    100%    the industry PI performance standard, good all rounder

* on 17 metal (mostly standardised ie reproduceable) targets (v. small - large, gold, coin alloys & aluminium)


 ::62::


  

Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.



Might be worth interested parties looking at the COMPARATIVE TEST RESULTS BUGs posted between the QED, 7000 & 5000 again in the light of what Reg & Wombat found. Its found on post #64, P4 I believe.  

Some doubters / scrutiniers may may still ask if the results posted earlier are consistent with what Reg & Wombat found. I suggest they are.  But I agree with YF that some of Wombats comments, which suggest annoyances (eg re-tuning after changing coils), are really an attribute with the QED.

Sounds like the 5.5 oz slug of lead at 22"  was invisible to to the 19" / GPZ because that was a hole in signal response

In summary, it sounds like the QED is (so far) living up to its long-touted & well-deserved reputation, here anyway.
The True Believers are Vindicated!

 ::62::

PS: Biggold, I don't post & haven't posted elsewhere, other than as Huego or (rarely as a) guest, for many years. There is simply no need to post anywhere else.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 13:24:13 AEDT PM
  
  
BW do think the QED current drain with an 18" mono will be similar to a smaller coil?
doug ::419::

They will be very similar. Most aftermarket coils are 300uH and 0.4 ohms. What is not common is the speed of the coil ie it's resonant frequency and it can vary considerably. Tuning the detector to match the coil is what MODE (QED menu item #5) does.

How do you know when you have the mode optimal for the coil you are using or conversely when the mode is not optimal for the particular coil you are using?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 15:26:13 AEDT PM
 I see that Reg has just posted on finders that the QED with an 18" elite mono could get the 5.5 oz lead target  at 22"with the coil  6" above the ground!
Reg is now going to use the QED as his primary prospecting tool   because of its  very light weight and ease of use. Both of these features will also be a boon to older weaklings like me and others! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 15:41:22 AEDT PM
  
I see that Reg has just posted on finders that the QED with an 18" elite mono could get the 5.5 oz lead target  at 22"with the coil  6" above the ground!
Reg is now going to use the QED as his primary prospecting tool   because of its  very light weight and ease of use. Both of these features will also be a boon to older weaklings like me and others! ::62::
doug ::419::


The depth test results hopefully will dispel any doubts about the QED's ability to find deep targets  and to do so without the huge depth losses(up to 40%  ::22::) that  can result on some longer TC targets when using any of the smooth timings. The other good thing that Reg has found is the QED seems to run smoothest with large mono's.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 24 2017 16:04:33 AEDT PM
  

I see that Reg has just posted on finders that the QED with an 18" elite mono could get the 5.5 oz lead target (buried) at 22" (even with) with the coil  6" above the ground!

Reg is now going to use the QED as his primary prospecting tool because of its  very light weight and ease of use. Both of these features will also be a boon to older weaklings like me and others!
::62::
doug ::419::


Yep saw the 5.5 oz detected by a QED at 28" ... not bad eh? Furthermore.....

"The QED is built for prospectors, not just a modified military detector that is an ergonomic nightmare....

"The results from the test pad are .. an indication of the ability of the QED, and are certainly not claimed to be conclusive. .. I am now satisfied that those tests and others I have conducted are proof enough for me that I can now go prospecting in confidence using the QED".
 (24 Jan, by Reg Wilson, link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me)

The testing continues, so these tentative conclusions from Reg should reassure many disbelievers of what one man (the designer / deveoper, Bugs) over some 10 years, even against the 'strong head winds' from critics & competitors, can achieve!!

The QED will find big gold too of course (eventually, when its there & there is a QED over it) as its performance with a 18" and 25” coil continues.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday January 24 2017 16:45:37 AEDT PM
  
  
  
BW do think the QED current drain with an 18" mono will be similar to a smaller coil?
doug ::419::

They will be very similar. Most aftermarket coils are 300uH and 0.4 ohms. What is not common is the speed of the coil ie it's resonant frequency and it can vary considerably. Tuning the detector to match the coil is what MODE (QED menu item #5) does.

How do you know when you have the mode optimal for the coil you are using or conversely when the mode is not optimal for the particular coil you are using?
doug ::419::

When a very small target has the best detection distance, this is the correct mode number for that coil.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 16:47:59 AEDT PM
  
Yep saw the 5.5 oz detected at 28" ... not bad eh? Furthermore.....
 ::62::
interestingly Reg says that the SAD 7000 with the 19" coil could not hear this target at all! zilch , nothing!!!  ::22:: So on this test the QED defeats the SAD7000!
The QED can also detect some small gold and specimens that the SDC cannot!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 16:50:44 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
BW do think the QED current drain with an 18" mono will be similar to a smaller coil?
doug ::419::

They will be very similar. Most aftermarket coils are 300uH and 0.4 ohms. What is not common is the speed of the coil ie it's resonant frequency and it can vary considerably. Tuning the detector to match the coil is what MODE (QED menu item #5) does.

How do you know when you have the mode optimal for the coil you are using or conversely when the mode is not optimal for the particular coil you are using?
doug ::419::

When a very small target has the best detection distance, this is the correct mode number for that coil.

So you should carry a small  "std" target with you and test it over the ground with the various  modes to determine which mode is the best with the coil you are using?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 24 2017 17:32:18 AEDT PM
  
  

Yep saw the 5.5 oz detected at 28" ... not bad eh?



interestingly Reg says that the SAD 7000 with the 19" coil could not hear this target at all! zilch , nothing!!!

So on this test the QED defeats the SAD7000!  The QED can also detect some small gold and specimens that the SDC cannot!
doug



Hmmm... musing over test facts & realities, not imaginings, this means 0" for the 7000, and 28" for the QED. (Inches = points in Bugs' cumulative comparison.)

Now, even assuming / believing the 19" is "~30% better than the 14" coil" (unproven, untested by Reg).
That is the same as saying the 14" is ~30% worse than the 19"!!
30% worse than 0" is still 0  (or less?). Lets be generous & say its the same as the 19".

Taking small liberties (just as marketeers do):  On the Bugs' scoring system, if we include the 5.5 oz (slug) of buried lead into the target mix & compare results to a 7000 (14") only. The QED scores an extra 28 points.

The QED "Marketing Team" (wink) assures me that this IS rational & this scoring results in:

     QED (with 12" coil) scores 248+28 = 276 points
     7000 (with std 14") = 232+0= 232 points

So, the difference Doug becomes even more convincing!! SAD isnt it?

But the "QED marketing team", feeling quite restrained, will not make % claims of this difference, even if this alarming finding is from an independant tester. Keep it "in house" a source of growing amusement.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 17:46:52 AEDT PM
Norvic
“I hope the new ML will be a lightweight PI, we`ve been screaming for a SDC in a better format since it came out.”
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/2923-minelab-partner-conference-sorry-no-secrets/
Seems to me that the QED satisfies this requirement perfectly!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 24 2017 17:56:09 AEDT PM
  

Norvic
“I hope the new ML will be a lightweight PI, we`ve been screaming for a SDC in a better format since it came out.”
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/2923-minelab-partner-conference-sorry-no-secrets/
Seems to me that the QED satisfies this requirement perfectly!
doug



I have heard of BRAND LOYALTY ... but a BLIND LOYALTY is for lemmings.

The QED is (a high performance, lightweight, easy-to-use) PI detector that's affordable & Made in Australia. AND that does not address HOW WELL it performs on small & large metal targets in various conditions, which Reg & others are still testing...(oops correction, he's finished testing & is now using the QED to find gold. Good luck mate, we know you won't need it!)  

 ::62::

PS: Have a look at what James R Beatty has done with his QED .... complete with battery, headphone transmitter & coil it ALL weighs less than 2 kg!!

link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday January 24 2017 20:36:15 AEDT PM
The first of the QED instructional videos has been uploaded.
More to follow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipFIWxD-wSI&feature=youtu.be
Link-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipFIWxD-wSI&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Tuesday January 24 2017 20:51:51 AEDT PM
Geez,looks easy enough! I still have nearly 3 weeks before I can order mine....hope you have enough "stuff" bugs! And you kept one in the "esky" for me! Congrats mate, looks like you,be made it!


Title: Re: QED update :says it all
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 21:25:00 AEDT PM
Reg Wilson :re the QED
"What we see here is the future of gold detecting. Super light. Super functional. Super usable." ::23:: ::73:: ::74::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Tuesday January 24 2017 21:47:02 AEDT PM
Woohoo! Just got the OK from my boss(beautiful wife) to order one, so I have.....please get the soldering iron out Bugs, your little PL series is about to get muddy in the NT!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday January 24 2017 21:59:59 AEDT PM
Next in the series - Mode adjustment

https://youtu.be/PEoJ6aD5HhI
Link-https://youtu.be/PEoJ6aD5HhI


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Tuesday January 24 2017 22:33:10 AEDT PM
Still a lot to learn about this little battler but the voltage check was a nice touch to help maintain working settings instead of losing them when the batteries go flat. Does the QED sound off with an alarm before it reaches that point just in case you are concentrating more on detecting than watching the gauges ?
Groundrush wanted to know if the instructional video's will be posted to the Goldsearch Australia website ?
Question from me... can external speaker/booster combo's be employed for those (not me) that may suffer from industrial deafness ?

TIA- Dusty  ::419:: 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 24 2017 23:03:40 AEDT PM
  
Groundrush wanted to know if the instructional video's will be posted to the Goldsearch Australia website ?
TIA- Dusty  ::419::  

I don't know its up to Dean at Goldsearch, I have made the video links visible to guests but they are not  "live". To view they must be copied and pasted( the url  portion after Link- )into the browsers search bar.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 24 2017 23:46:45 AEDT PM
....I hope the Aussie inventor does well (as) the price is attractive,

He will,  even if all he may want initially is to get his money back for his materials, then for his R&D effort.

....moreseo it lives up to the hype created to the prospectors out there that will have a punt on the machine without no gold finds to back up.

HYPE??  What HYPE? …  facts have always been provided here, sometimes in a humourous or interesting way.  ::419::
The QED goal has been met & demonstrated. More proof is coming, mostly independent.
And, its a small "punt" at just $1800 complete  ::419::

Yet, isnt it amazing that a just-released METAL detector, called the QED, is expected to find GOLD* (in preference to other metals), even during testing? And QED users are obliged to show it off like a salesman we know does. Its treated with suspicion, as if it can’t find gold! It HAS found gold, which proves it CAN, as if proof was a necessary qualification. Maybe prospectors are just a simple superstitious lot. Or maybe the deniers are shareholders who feel sorry for their investment.

Huego

*PS: Here is an old video of a QED in Alluvium's hands finding gold 6 yrs ago with an early version of QED.
Its been much improved since then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSEGtvQUVjk

It found gold then, it will find gold now.


Title: Re: QED update :says it all
Post by: egixe4 on Wednesday January 25 2017 00:00:09 AEDT AM
  
Reg Wilson :re the QED
"What we see here is the future of gold detecting. Super light. Super functional. Super usable." ::23:: ::73:: ::74::
doug ::419::

I second Reg's statement, and as the proud owner of production QED Serial Number 001, I'm qualified to do so.
Very Well done Bug's and thank you.
I would also like to thank Dean from Goldsearch

 ::73:: ::74:: ::17::

Mal




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday January 25 2017 06:11:28 AEDT AM
  
Still a lot to learn about this little battler but the voltage check was a nice touch to help maintain working settings instead of losing them when the batteries go flat. Does the QED sound off with an alarm before it reaches that point just in case you are concentrating more on detecting than watching the gauges ?
Groundrush wanted to know if the instructional video's will be posted to the Goldsearch Australia website ?
Question from me... can external speaker/booster combo's be employed for those (not me) that may suffer from industrial deafness ?

TIA- Dusty  ::419:: 

The display will show a decimal point dot when batteries are very low.
The NOIKIA MD11 works well as an external speaker, on ebay for around $20 and a bracket is available to mount it to the battery box.
Re the videos, Dean can post links on his website.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Wednesday January 25 2017 08:43:00 AEDT AM
 great videos b/w , just a couple of questions
1 .looking at the mode video it seems to me that the bias is a type of floating timings ,
user can kind of adjust the timing to suit the type of gold in that area
2 . can you run the qed with the ground bal mode on screen open or do you have to set and pull out of that and go back to menu to detect
nice job b/w
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update : Reg sums it Up
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 25 2017 15:24:43 AEDT PM
  

Reg Wilson :re the QED

"What we see here is the future of gold detecting. Super light. Super functional. Super usable."

doug


Indeed!!

Where is BILLY? when there is so much good news about the QED about?  ::620:: ::620::

 ::62::


PS: I posted a video (above) of an early QED finding gold in hands of prospector (Alluvium) way back in 2011.


Title: Re: QED update : Reg sums it Up
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 25 2017 15:32:00 AEDT PM
  
Where is BILLY? when there is so much good news about the QED about?  ::620:: ::620::

Still trying to wipe all the egg off his face like a lot of others!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday January 25 2017 16:36:44 AEDT PM
  
great videos b/w , just a couple of questions
1 .looking at the mode video it seems to me that the bias is a type of floating timings ,
user can kind of adjust the timing to suit the type of gold in that area
2 . can you run the qed with the ground bal mode on screen open or do you have to set and pull out of that and go back to menu to detect
nice job b/w
cheers red


No floating timings. The MODE function increases the sample delay in 0.4uS increments.
You can leave the screen on the GB adjustment and adjust it as required.
The bottom button serves both as the off switch if pressed and held and it also toggles between showing the menu variable number (1-8)  and the actual adjustment variable. Battery voltage is obviously not adjustable.


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 25 2017 16:46:58 AEDT PM
 Jen 58 on 4 umer
Jen58 Today at 10:34 am
“They have the prototypes where they can fiddle with the machine.”
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me
Apart from the USB port the prototype QED's have exactly the same circuit and firmware as the production QED's! You can do exactly the same “fiddling” with the menu options on the prototypes as the you can on the production QED's.Jen 58 info is simply wrong!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 25 2017 16:54:37 AEDT PM
  
 Jen 58 on 4 umer
Jen58 Today at 10:34 am
“They have the prototypes where they can fiddle with the machine.”
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me
Apart from the USB port the prototype QED's have exactly the same circuit and firmware as the production QED's! You can do exactly the same “fiddling” with the menu options on the prototypes as the you can on the production QED's.Jen 58 info is simply wrong!
doug ::419::

One should expect that Jen 58 who is a forum moderator there would check  their facts before  posting. Hopefully someone there will correct  her misinformation
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 25 2017 16:57:48 AEDT PM
  
  
 Jen 58 on 4 umer
Jen58 Today at 10:34 am
“They have the prototypes where they can fiddle with the machine.”
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me
Apart from the USB port the prototype QED's have exactly the same circuit and firmware as the production QED's! You can do exactly the same “fiddling” with the menu options on the prototypes as the you can on the production QED's.Jen 58 info is simply wrong!
doug ::419::

One should expect that Jen 58 who is a forum moderator there would check  their facts before  posting. Hopefully someone there will correct  her misinformation
doug ::419::

Jen 58 should join this forum and get the real facts from the person that has designed and built the QED and written all the firmware!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 25 2017 17:07:29 AEDT PM
  

Jen 58 on 4 umer
Jen58 Today at 10:34 am
“They have the prototypes where they can fiddle with the machine.”
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me
Apart from the USB port the prototype QED's have exactly the same circuit and firmware as the production QED's! You can do exactly the same “fiddling” with the menu options on the prototypes as the you can on the production QED's.Jen 58 info is simply wrong!
doug :

Maybe she thinks the Testers (eg RW & YF) can "fiddle with the machine" through the USB port as if they were nerds!  (Only Bugs has access to the code inside and that is not unusual for prototypes to allow the developer access while fine tuning befor production begins.)

The only fiddling that a tester or buyer of a QED can do is via the MENU screen & buttons.

Agree, correct technical information is found here, NOT in the musings of others on other forums.

A CORRECTION from her is necessary before she gives wrong info to prospective buyers

Huego





Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 25 2017 17:14:42 AEDT PM
  
  

Jen 58 on 4 umer
Jen58 Today at 10:34 am
“They have the prototypes where they can fiddle with the machine.”
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me
Apart from the USB port the prototype QED's have exactly the same circuit and firmware as the production QED's! You can do exactly the same “fiddling” with the menu options on the prototypes as the you can on the production QED's.Jen 58 info is simply wrong!
doug :

Maybe she thinks the Testers (eg RW & YF) can "fiddle with the machine" through the USB port as if they were nerds!  (Only Bugs has access to the code inside and that is not unusual for prototypes to allow the developer access while fine tuning befor production begins.)

The only fiddling that a tester or buyer of a QED can do is via the MENU screen & buttons.

Agree, correct technical information is found here, NOT in the musings of others on other forums.

A CORRECTION from her is necessary before she gives wrong info to prospective buyers

Huego



From the technical and firmware viewpoint the only source of truthful QEd info is here from BW!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: egixe4 on Wednesday January 25 2017 17:35:04 AEDT PM
  
  

Jen 58 on 4 umer
Jen58 Today at 10:34 am
“They have the prototypes where they can fiddle with the machine.”
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me
Apart from the USB port the prototype QED's have exactly the same circuit and firmware as the production QED's! You can do exactly the same “fiddling” with the menu options on the prototypes as the you can on the production QED's.Jen 58 info is simply wrong!
doug :

Maybe she thinks the Testers (eg RW & YF) can "fiddle with the machine" through the USB port as if they were nerds!  (Only Bugs has access to the code inside and that is not unusual for prototypes to allow the developer access while fine tuning befor production begins.)

The only fiddling that a tester or buyer of a QED can do is via the MENU screen & buttons.

Agree, correct technical information is found here, NOT in the musings of others on other forums.

A CORRECTION from her is necessary before she gives wrong info to prospective buyers

Huego





YF is a long term Detecting Friend of mine, and we have both been testing with my machine,
he has also posted reports I've given him whilst continuing testing without him.
 
Production QED Serial number 001, was the first production machine sold over the counter at GoldSearch, Dunolly

IT HAS NO USB PORT, and can't and has not been fiddled with in any way, other than the settings a normal customer would have access to.
Howard can confirm this.

However we can and have confirmed the results as seen by Reg Wilson
and he has confirmed our test results that we have shared with him.

Mal


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 25 2017 17:48:55 AEDT PM
  

YF is a long term Detecting Friend of mine, and we have both been testing with my machine, he has also posted reports I've given him whilst continuing testing without him.
  
Production QED Serial number 001, was the first production machine sold over the counter at GoldSearch, Dunolly

IT HAS NO USB PORT, and can't and has not been fiddled with in any way, other than the settings a normal customer would have access to.  Howard can confirm this.

However we can and have confirmed the results as seen by Reg Wilson
and he has confirmed our test results that we have shared with him.

Mal



We believe you Mal as it fits with what YF & Reg have said. If you are a member there  perhaps you can post your comments there. But then you may be restricted or banned there like YF?

Its amazing how some, even moderators, choose to believe (and spread) their own their own imaginings & uncertainties rather than check what testers & developers (here) say.

ADDED: GR, before putting on his black tie, suggested he: "was considering starting a new topic “QED overview” where all the test results & related feedback from 4 forums could be analysed & commented on in one place.” (he means on Finders)

Test results are spread but tech info, videos & tables best presented here, RELIABLY, without being corrupted.
Reg & YF reports are colloquial & verbal & have appeared on other forums.
BUT, most technical questions & answers about the QED are found & answered here, not on Finders, or 4umer.

Verbal test reports are best exposed elsewhere for good reason. Questions of importance re the QED have been raised here (some elsewhere) & most answered here over 20 pages in "QED Update" or by YF or RW. Performance overviews as tables are also found here as well as considerable commentary (ie "related feedback") & some targeted sniping of unwarranted comments where necessary.

 ::62::



Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: egixe4 on Wednesday January 25 2017 18:11:00 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  

Jen 58 on 4 umer
Jen58 Today at 10:34 am
“They have the prototypes where they can fiddle with the machine.”
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p150-the-qed-and-me
Apart from the USB port the prototype QED's have exactly the same circuit and firmware as the production QED's! You can do exactly the same “fiddling” with the menu options on the prototypes as the you can on the production QED's.Jen 58 info is simply wrong!
doug :

Maybe she thinks the Testers (eg RW & YF) can "fiddle with the machine" through the USB port as if they were nerds!  (Only Bugs has access to the code inside and that is not unusual for prototypes to allow the developer access while fine tuning befor production begins.)

The only fiddling that a tester or buyer of a QED can do is via the MENU screen & buttons.

Agree, correct technical information is found here, NOT in the musings of others on other forums.

A CORRECTION from her is necessary before she gives wrong info to prospective buyers

Huego


YF is a long term Detecting Friend of mine, and we have both been testing with my machine, he has also posted reports I've given him whilst continuing testing without him.
  
Production QED Serial number 001, was the first production machine sold over the counter at GoldSearch, Dunolly

IT HAS NO USB PORT, and can't and has not been fiddled with in any way, other than the settings a normal customer would have access to.  Howard can confirm this.

However we can and have confirmed the results as seen by Reg Wilson
and he has confirmed our test results that we have shared with him.

Mal



We believe you Mal as it fits with what YF & Reg have said. If you are a member there  perhaps you can post your comments there. But then you may be restricted or banned there like YF?

Its amazing how some, even moderators, choose to believe (and spread) their own their own imaginings & uncertainties rather than check what testers & developers (here) say.


Hi Huego,
I'm not a prolific forum poster, and don't post here that often, I'm not a member on 4umer.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Wednesday January 25 2017 18:16:40 AEDT PM
thanks bugs for clearing that up for me ,
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 25 2017 18:22:25 AEDT PM
  

Hi Huego,
I'm not a prolific forum poster, and don't post here that often, I'm not a member on 4umer.


No probs Mal, the message will get to them somehow ....

We look forward to your occasional comments while using  the QED.  ::402::

 ::62::

Update: Jen 58 has got the message & without joining. Seems she has 'gone to ground' (bunker) for now


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday January 25 2017 18:38:53 AEDT PM
Another video uploaded.
Link-https://youtu.be/dqrBfxyMGj0
https://youtu.be/dqrBfxyMGj0


Title: Re: QED update- Facing Some Truths
Post by: Huego on Wednesday January 25 2017 21:51:30 AEDT PM
Reg Wilson posting, with considerable restraint, on Testing the QED at Coiltech site.

Quote

Now comes the part that many have called out for..... We tested the GPZ 7000 against the QED, and we tested the GPX 5000 as well. Wombat and I were very surprised.

I just can't reveal the results, as the howls and screams and personal abuse would be overwhelming.  What should I post? I asked him (Wombat). He shook his head. "They'll crucify you"
.
 


I wonder why doubting prospectors on 4umer CANT READ BETWEEN THE LINES above?  

The message is pretty loud & clear. Some readers are in denial. RW, other testers & observers have avoided passing on the pain & discomfort with TRUTHS from their tests. DO THEY WANT Reg or anyone else to spell out what we have been saying for years about the QED?

RESTRAINT  

 ::62::



Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Wednesday January 25 2017 23:55:12 AEDT PM
  
Update: Jen 58 has got the message & without joining. Seems she has 'gone to ground' (bunker) for now
Not only has Jen 58 made  herself look like a complete fool but has suggested or implied that the  results with the prototype QED's may not be applicable to the commercial versions because in some way they can be "fiddled" with to  optimize their performance compared to the commercial version. ie it could be inferred that the commercial versions are inferior to the prototype and consumers of the commercial version are not  getting the real deal! If this silly, unfounded and untruthful  comment was proved to result in lost sales then its my view that BW and his company would be entitled to seek commercial relief.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Huego on Thursday January 26 2017 01:01:08 AEDT AM
  
  
Update: Jen 58 has got the message & without joining. Seems she has 'gone to ground' (bunker) for now
Not only has Jen 58 made  herself look like a complete idiot but has suggested or implied that the  results with the prototype QED's may not be applicable to the commercial versions because in some way they can be "fiddled" with to  optimize their performance compared to the commercial version. ie it could be inferred that the commercial versions are inferior to the prototype and consumers of the commercial version are not  getting the real deal! If this silly, unfounded and untruthful  comment was proved to result in lost sales then its my view that BW and his company would be entitled to seek commercial relief.
doug ::419::

Well Doug

Seems it was a misunderstanding ... poorly worded on her part but at least explained by her as ...

"the fiddling part is what BW does to make the machine run as good as he can."

Its called optimising Jen, not "fiddling", one purpose of pre-production testing

"They have the prototypes where (they ) meaning.... whom is the builder/makers ) can fiddle with the machine." ... not clear what she means, its poorly expressed.

Best overlooked I suggest. Maybe she should choose her words like "they" more carefully and express her meaning with more care on a sensitive topic like the QED. My suggestion.

 ::62::

PS: Show your skills as a moderator Jen and we will show you gold!  ::419::


Title: Re: QED update - Musings?
Post by: WM6 on Thursday January 26 2017 02:29:36 AEDT AM
  


Hmmmmm "archaic GB" eh? ….. so funny when the old timers & sensible prospectors can use it when a 5000 won't GB on such hot ground!


There is no micro-controlled GB better (more precise to given soil condition)  than "archaic" manual GB.

Look at high priced metal detectors on market - almost all are equipped with "archaic" manual GB. With reason.




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday January 26 2017 06:06:48 AEDT AM
The manual GB requires far lower (a third) bobbing the coil up and down speed. Prospectors with years of experience with other detectors take a while to master it. The main benefits of manual GB are finer adjustment and a readout of the GB number that can provide valuable information on the ground mineralisation level.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Thursday January 26 2017 09:27:51 AEDT AM
Quote

... an advantage ... is that the USB connection will allow B/W to send them any data or firmware uprades which they could then download onto a computer and then upload onto the prototype detector ... (GB on 4ummer)


They keep guessing because "they" (eg GB) dont know or dont read the facts here about the QED field prototypes.

As Doug & BW explain, currently only BW can access (dowload or upgrade) the software via the USB port. Its a IP security matter so not accessible to buyers. Correct me if I am wrong BW.

 ::62::



Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 09:54:57 AEDT AM
  
Seems it was a misunderstanding ... poorly worded on her part but at least explained by her as ...
"the fiddling part is what BW does to make the machine run as good as he can."
He has to do this to EVERY QED he makes to allow  for and adjust for small  variations in components!
Every QED  he makes is set up to make the machine run as good as it can!!!!
So it is another  ill advised and  unfounded comment by  Jen58! And she is a forum moderator? ::620::
doug ::419::
Edited:Thursday January 26 2017 11:30:31 AEDT AM



Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 10:23:54 AEDT AM
  
  
Seems it was a misunderstanding ... poorly worded on her part but at least explained by her as ...
"the fiddling part is what BW does to make the machine run as good as he can."
He has to do this to EVERY QED he makes to allow  for and adjust for small  variations in components!
Every QED  he makes is set up to make the machine run as good as it can!!!!
So it is another  dumb arse comment by  Jen58! And she is a forum moderator? ::620::
doug ::419::



Someone that  moderates a forum should have at least some minimal  bg knowledge of the topic or  find out from people that do before they post information  which is clearly wrong and just makes them look like a fool  or that they have an  undisclosed ulterior  motive!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 10:26:39 AEDT AM
  
The manual GB requires far lower (a third) bobbing the coil up and down speed. Prospectors with years of experience with other detectors take a while to master it. The main benefits of manual GB are finer adjustment and a readout of the GB number that can provide valuable information on the ground mineralisation level.

A manual GB will also never track out a target which can happen with other auto tracking GB  when used with a mono coil.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday January 26 2017 11:28:41 AEDT AM
Each detector board after populating and soldering is programmed and then calibration adjustments are performed along with a unique serial number embedded. A tap test around the board is then performed to uncover any loose/faulty solder joints. The final test is using the same coil each time over the same patch of ground then testing on a 0.04g and a 0.24g nugget. Last week I finished a batch of seven and the GB figure was 120 and the detection distance identical on the 2 nuggets. Finally the boards are left on for a few hours and retested.
The August 2015 detectors that testers have are near identical hardware to the production model. The software is identical.
Any variations in performance can only be attributed to the operators knowledge and experience and their skill in adjusting it correctly.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 11:47:29 AEDT AM
  
Each detector board after populating and soldering is programmed and then calibration adjustments are performed along with a unique serial number embedded. A tap test around the board is then performed to uncover any loose/faulty solder joints. The final test is using the same coil each time over the same patch of ground then testing on a 0.04g and a 0.24g nugget. Last week I finished a batch of seven and the GB figure was 120 and the detection distance identical on the 2 nuggets. Finally the boards are left on for a few hours and retested.
The August 2015 detectors that testers have are near identical hardware to the production model. The software is identical.
Any variations in performance can only be attributed to the operators knowledge and experience and their skill in adjusting it correctly.

Thanks for clarification of this issue and the QC procedures you carry out.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update - Quality Control
Post by: Huego on Thursday January 26 2017 11:48:01 AEDT AM
  

Each detector board after populating and soldering is programmed and then calibration adjustments are performed along with a unique serial number embedded. A tap test around the board is then performed to uncover any loose/faulty solder joints. The final test is using the same coil each time over the same patch of ground then testing on a 0.04g and a 0.24g nugget. Last week I finished a batch of seven and the GB figure was 120 and the detection distance identical on the 2 nuggets. Finally the boards are left on for a few hours and retested.
The August 2015 detectors that testers have are near identical hardware to the production model. The software is identical.
Any variations in performance can only be attributed to the operators knowledge and experience and their skill in adjusting it correctly.



That above ML & ML customers, is called QUALITY CONTROL

As a old QC / QA manager in a technical field, its clear to me that it results in:

   - consistency of performance
   - reduced failure rate (almost no 'lemons')
   - happier customers
   - reduced chance of a recall

but it increases assembly / manufacturing cost if one values or puts a cost on BWs time. Well done BW.

 ::62::

PS: you can also honestly say that its: "calibrated with gold to maximise gold detection "   ::620::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 11:52:57 AEDT AM
  
  

Each detector board after populating and soldering is programmed and then calibration adjustments are performed along with a unique serial number embedded. A tap test around the board is then performed to uncover any loose/faulty solder joints. The final test is using the same coil each time over the same patch of ground then testing on a 0.04g and a 0.24g nugget. Last week I finished a batch of seven and the GB figure was 120 and the detection distance identical on the 2 nuggets. Finally the boards are left on for a few hours and retested.
The August 2015 detectors that testers have are near identical hardware to the production model. The software is identical.
Any variations in performance can only be attributed to the operators knowledge and experience and their skill in adjusting it correctly.



That ML  & ML customers, is called QUALITY CONTROL

As a old QC / QA manager in a technical field, its clear to me that it results in:

   - consistency of performance
   - reduced failure rate (almost no 'lemons')
   - happier customers
   - reduced chance of a recall

but it increases assembly / manufacturing cost if one values or puts a cost on BWs time. Well done BW.

 ::62::


The other advantage BW has with the QEd is that he knows the circuit and firmware intimately so in the unlikely event a fault does develop based on the symptoms he will know very quickly what the fault is due  too and thus be able to very quickly rectify it.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: norvic on Thursday January 26 2017 12:56:32 AEDT PM
  
Norvic
“I hope the new ML will be a lightweight PI, we`ve been screaming for a SDC in a better format since it came out.”
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/2923-minelab-partner-conference-sorry-no-secrets/
Seems to me that the QED satisfies this requirement perfectly!
doug

Yes I`m excited about the QED, it certainly is the lightweight PI I seek, registered my interest on Goldsearch immediately after it was listed. OZ made is a bonus. I use and have used most brands of gold detectors for now 38 years, if they get the weight the brand is of little concern to me. The thread you quoted me from was about MLs US conference, nothing to do with the QED thus not the thread to mention the QED on. Check the QED threads on that 4M.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 13:16:08 AEDT PM
  
  
Norvic
“I hope the new ML will be a lightweight PI, we`ve been screaming for a SDC in a better format since it came out.”
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/2923-minelab-partner-conference-sorry-no-secrets/
Seems to me that the QED satisfies this requirement perfectly!
doug

Yes I`m excited about the QED, it certainly is the lightweight PI I seek, registered my interest on Goldsearch immediately after it was listed. OZ made is a bonus. I use and have used most brands of gold detectors for now 38 years, if they get the weight the brand is of little concern to me. The thread you quoted me from was about MLs US conference, nothing to do with the QED thus not the thread to mention the QED on. Check the QED threads on that 4M.

Sorry for posting the wrong link! You ::700::  doug! ::75::
Here is the correct one.
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/2690-finally-the-qed-arrives/?page=4
link-http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/2690-finally-the-qed-arrives/?page=4
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:Re: The QED and me
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 13:24:35 AEDT PM
Re: The QED and me
Mechanic Today at 1:16 pm
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24672p180-the-qed-and-me
Mick the patent you refer to is only a USA patent is not enforceable outside the USA.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- The QED & Inhere
Post by: Huego on Thursday January 26 2017 14:59:48 AEDT PM
Quote


…. Now, I care not about anything to do with the Zed, but the above (a potent & pithy comment from RW re the QED*) I found astounding on something that has found 2 grams of gold in 9 years for the last tester and this tester reported finding one speck of gold that fell into the grass and was lost forever. …. I have grave doubt  about a detector that has found that little gold in that amount of time ….

Inhere, Finders, Jan 26


(*except this explanation in brackets by Huego)


Its to do with TIME & NUMBERS in use.

That “something” (the QED- PL) has only just been released.
A few prototypes & production models have been sold & fewer are in use, due to recent bad weather conditions.

Yes, its been in development (in many versions) for many years. Over this time of 9 yrs, very limited testing (swinging them as MD prototypes looking for gold) has been done. Links to some vids have been posted here.

Unlike the just released QED, products from ML, Whites etc sold by 00’s and 000s around the world where the sheer numbers ensure "gold is found” & publicised. (Publicising the QEDs attributes early only led to its critics saying "well, where is it?").

Yet , even the crude MDs decades ago found plentiful nuggets. Now gold is much harder to find, the best is gone. Nuggets are no longer plentiful (as Reg says), & it takes time searching for them.

The more detectors sold & the more time passes with detectors in prospectors hands the more gold is found.
That condition (a TRUISM) applies to the QED, as it does with any MD.

The tester or prospector does not predict or nominate what he finds … it may be coin, tack, horseshoe, nail or wire (common) …. or a speck (less common) or a large slug (rare these days). Specks are easily lost as we all know.

Comparisons (quantitative) against competitors models (used by their owners) have been posted here. Believe them or not, they seem consistent with findings of independent testers.

Lets see what happens after the first 100 or 1000 QEDs have been in action in the goldfields for 12 months. You will see a different picture.  

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Huego on Thursday January 26 2017 15:31:29 AEDT PM
  
  
Update: Jen 58 has got the message & without joining. Seems she has 'gone to ground' (bunker) for now
Not only has Jen 58 made  herself look like a complete fool but has suggested or implied that the  results with the prototype QED's may not be applicable to the commercial versions because in some way they can be "fiddled" with to  optimize their performance compared to the commercial version. ie it could be inferred that the commercial versions are inferior to the prototype and consumers of the commercial version are not  getting the real deal! If this silly, unfounded and untruthful  comment was proved to result in lost sales then its my view that BW and his company would be entitled to seek commercial relief.
doug ::419::

Well Doug, Jen 58 has spat the dummy, locked the QED thread over there. CLOSED ON AUSTRALIA DAY
Seems she did not like, or used your "advice" (above), as a reason to close further discussion. I guess she can do that as a moderator. I'm sad the discussion there was closed. I wonder if that was intended (calculated? Nar, its just my suspicious mind)

Her problem is, giving opinions or making comment is fine as long as it is based on some truth or factual knowledge. Otherwise it needs to be qualified as an uniformed opinion. Her comment could be taken as "a lie".

If she read this forum she would have been better informed & made wiser comments of the QED.

Oh well. For what its worth I think you overreacted to her poorly worded comment.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update - Support for (not Claims)
Post by: Huego on Thursday January 26 2017 16:02:51 AEDT PM
Quote

What l reckon is hurting the credibility of the QED is not the so much the knockers of the QED every detector has had knockers but more so carry on and antics and claims made by those pushing the QED. Some claims obviously made on B/W behalf and some pushing there own agender. (BG, 26 Jan, Finders)



How can supporters of the QED "hurt its credibility" by their support reiterating & highlighting what independent testers find & say?  Call these "antics & claims"? No, I call them clarifciation, correction of perceptions (based more on facts) & ROBUST commentary. Some commentary is subjective, but so is much reporting (opinions).
Some may be likened to antics of QED denigrators, ie moronic lunacy, but reports on QED here are more positive.  ::419::
Technical information re QED is all from BW.

Knockers of the QED (denigrators*) have intended to hurt the sales & its reported performance capability. They are almost all supporters of the major competitor and some  have obvious agendas & vested interests.  

Rather like .... GMH vs Ford or Collingwood vs Essendon or ..... David & Goliath

 ::62::

hehehe    soaring like a turkey

* PS: Yes, Inhere, it has eased off a bit as we let the independent testers have their say & answer questions their way. How about "Better than a Zed nearly as good as a 5000" (quoting BG & a tester) ... Now THATS VALUE!

Or,

How about:  "Better than a Zed & better than a 5000" (testers & observers)


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 18:43:30 AEDT PM
  

Well Doug, Jen 58 has spat the dummy, locked the QED thread over there. CLOSED ON AUSTRALIA DAY
Seems she did not like, or used your "advice" (above), as a reason to close further discussion. I guess she can do that as a moderator. I'm sad the discussion there was closed. I wonder if that was intended (calculated? Nar, its just my suspicious mind)

Her problem is, giving opinions or making comment is fine as long as it is based on some truth or factual knowledge. Otherwise its needs to be qualified as an uniformed opinion. Her comment could be taken as "a lie".

 ::62::

Jen 58 has had plenty of opportunity to apologize and correct her  misinformation  but has failed to do! Locking of the topic does not solve the  the potential problem she (or the other moderators) may now face.
The locking of the topic was  to be expected and perhaps was an order from above?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:wrong info on 4 umer by Jen58
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 19:48:44 AEDT PM
  

Her problem is, giving opinions or making comment is fine as long as it is based on some truth or factual knowledge. Otherwise its needs to be qualified as an uniformed opinion. Her comment could be taken as "a lie".
 ::62::

Exactly the point! Also  her comments could imply that the prototype QED's could be tweaked or fiddled to optimize the performance and this was used as an inducement (bait?) for people to buy the production models which can't be tweaked or fiddle with the to get the same performance. Ie that BW or the QED testers with prototypes may have deliberately engaged in  misleading and deceptive conduct/promotion to sell the QED! Actually the opposite is true! BW told me today that he expects that the production  QED's may perform a little better than the testers prototypes!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday January 26 2017 20:36:28 AEDT PM
With regard to loading factory defaults, the detector has to be off.
If you try to follow the procedure with the detector on it will just turn off and not load defaults.


Title: Re: QED update: a very small gold find from a new user
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 23:12:02 AEDT PM
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20756
link-https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20756
Don't worry about the QED thread being closed or deleted(4umers loss!! ::620:: more people for this and other forums!)) on the knitting club forum as their will be plenty of info here  and on other forums from users.Please be patient if you have ordered a QED as demand is overwhelming supply at the moment.
doug ::419::
edited:Thursday January 26 2017 23:28:11 AEDT PM


Title: Re: QED update:headphones?
Post by: Doug on Thursday January 26 2017 23:33:01 AEDT PM
 BW will the QED vol output be ok with 32 Ohm headphones? Also if people have to use an adapter for the phones socket what would you recommend?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:headphones?
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday January 27 2017 08:41:52 AEDT AM
  
BW will the QED vol output be ok with 32 Ohm headphones? Also if people have to use an adapter for the phones socket what would you recommend?
doug ::419::

I have used ear buds that are 30 ohms and they work fine. Standard 8 ohm headphones work fine too.



Title: Re: QED update: a very small gold find from a new user
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday January 27 2017 08:45:33 AEDT AM
  
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20756
link-https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20756
Don't worry about the QED thread being closed or deleted(4umers loss!! ::620:: more people for this and other forums!)) on the knitting club forum as their will be plenty of info here  and on other forums from users.Please be patient if you have ordered a QED as demand is overwhelming supply at the moment.
doug ::419::
edited:Thursday January 26 2017 23:28:11 AEDT PM

Re the "ground noise" The following works most times.
Try to GB over the ground noise and if it starts to diminish or is gone by plus or minus 5 then walk away, it's a ground noise.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 27 2017 11:57:14 AEDT AM
Focus on [email protected] rather than finding gold.
Many seem to be questioning the apparent lack of gold finding reports with the QED and wonder why over its many years of [email protected] their are not more. Well BW focus has been almost entirely of the [email protected] of the QED. No point in spending  huge amounts of time in field trying to find gold if that QED is never going to be the commercial version. BW has spent thousand of hours hand making and testing dozens of different  QED circuit topologies(you should  see the  boxes full of QED prototype boards!) and different firmware.  A similar amount of time   has been devoted to writing the firmware and testing various methods of GB'ing. and getting EMI compliance for the production model. BW did not want to release the QED until he was confident that it  was very reliable  and could perform well over typical gold field ground. Had he decided to wait  for the testers to find  many good nuggets with the QED that would have further delayed its release. Its now up to those that have  QED's to report on their gold finds if they  so wish which will come. Their is NO doubt that the QED can and will find  more gold including larger bits at depth and will cover more ground more quickly and with a sharper signal repose than any other Pi detector using a variety of mono coils. The 12” coiltek elite mono  has proved to be an exceptional performer on the QED but it will happily run other mono's from 8”-24”  and can be optimized for the mono coil you are using via the menu settings. As you will see from Regs's posts on  Finders the QED outperformed the 5000 at the Coiltek test site. These test confirm other testing results. Its now up to people to decide on the basis of users reports as to whether the QED is the detector for them.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday January 27 2017 13:44:51 AEDT PM
The whole notion of "Gold Detector" has been coined by the marketing department of a lot of detector manufacturers. It sucks in the naive newbies and I guess that is the aim. Metal Detectors are just that. Expect bullets, nails, fencing wire along with old buttons and if you are very lucky the odd coin and gold nugget.


The attached JPG is worth a lengthy study.
The "V" notch is the result of the Ground Balance.
Target signal strength can be lifted out of the notch by raising either the VOLUME or lowering / raising the BIAS depending on the TC of the target or a combination of both BIAS & VOLUME..


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: pedro on Friday January 27 2017 16:33:15 AEDT PM
Ordered mine today from Dean.
Thanks for all your effort Bugs


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday January 27 2017 17:05:40 AEDT PM
  
Focus on [email protected] rather than finding gold.
Many seem to be questioning the apparent lack of gold finding reports with the QED and wonder why over its many years of [email protected] their are not more. Well BW focus has been almost entirely of the [email protected] of the QED. No point in spending  huge amounts of time in field trying to find gold if that QED is never going to be the commercial version. BW has spent thousand of hours hand making and testing dozens of different  QED circuit topologies(you should  see the  boxes full of QED prototype boards!) and different firmware.  A similar amount of time   has been devoted to writing the firmware and testing various methods of GB'ing. and getting EMI compliance for the production model. BW did not want to release the QED until he was confident that it  was very reliable  and could perform well over typical gold field ground. Had he decided to wait  for the testers to find  many good nuggets with the QED that would have further delayed its release. Its now up to those that have  QED's to report on their gold finds if they  so wish which will come. Their is NO doubt that the QED can and will find  more gold including larger bits at depth and will cover more ground more quickly and with a sharper signal repose than any other Pi detector using a variety of mono coils. The 12” coiltek elite mono  has proved to be an exceptional performer on the QED but it will happily run other mono's from 8”-24”  and can be optimized for the mono coil you are using via the menu settings. As you will see from Regs's posts on  Finders the QED outperformed the 5000 at the Coiltek test site. These test confirm other testing results. Its now up to people to decide on the basis of users reports as to whether the QED is the detector for them.
doug ::419::


I people have any doubts about the QED's ability to find gold then talk to  Dean at goldsearch and see what he says.
Also this:
Davent
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=5
“I know one found 14 very small bits for 2 grams recently, in one session”.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Friday January 27 2017 20:25:04 AEDT PM
  

“I know one found 14 very small bits for 2 grams recently, in one session”.


Better to find 2grams small bits of pure yellow gold in one session using QED,
than big yellow ferrite only in 10 sessions using ZED.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 00:04:44 AEDT AM
  
  

“I know one found 14 very small bits for 2 grams recently, in one session”.


Better to find 2grams small bits of pure yellow gold in one session using QED,
than big yellow ferrite only in 10 sessions using ZED.

We also know that the SAD7000 cannot detect the 5.5 oz lead target at 22"at the CT test site but the QED can get it at 28"!!!
Perhaps Jen 58 ::620:: can explain the reason for this!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Saturday January 28 2017 10:34:30 AEDT AM
  

We also know that the SAD7000 cannot detect the 5.5 oz lead target at 22"at the CT test site but the QED can get it at 28"!!!



Doug do you know what size coil was used on the QED for that lead target at 28"?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 10:42:00 AEDT AM
  
  

We also know that the SAD7000 cannot detect the 5.5 oz lead target at 22"at the CT test site but the QED can get it at 28"!!!



Doug do you know what size coil was used on the QED for that lead target at 28"?

Not sure since all the Regs posts on the QED including the test results have been deleted by an incompetent moderator on 4umer.
You may have to ask Reg himself.My guess would be either a 12" or 18" mono.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Saturday January 28 2017 10:49:43 AEDT AM
If I remember correctly there was no target at 28 inches at the CT test patch it was at 22 inches it was reported wrong the post was corrected latter  ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 10:53:33 AEDT AM
  
If I remember correctly there was no target at 28 inches at the CT test patch it was at 22 inches it was reported wrong the post was corrected latter  ::62::

You are correct ! The target is at 22" but Regs' QED could pick up this target  6" above it  ie at 28"
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 11:03:46 AEDT AM
  
  
If I remember correctly there was no target at 28 inches at the CT test patch it was at 22 inches it was reported wrong the post was corrected latter  ::62::

You are correct ! The target is at 22" but Regs' QED could pick up this target  6" above it  ie at 28"
doug ::419::

The coil on the QED was a 14" mono.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Saturday January 28 2017 11:09:46 AEDT AM
  

My guess would be either a 12" or 18" mono.


I remember reading that Reg had his 7000 along with the QED to test using 2 CT coils an 11" and 18" Elite and the other person with him during the tests "wombat" had a 5000 with a NF 12 " Evo coil. As I remember Reg said all three coils got all of the buried lead targets at the test site.

Then I read on another forum he said the 7000 with 19"coil could not get the largest target and the QED got it easily with it 6" above the ground.

However I have not read what size coil Reg used on the QED to be able to lift it a further 6" above the ground and still get a response on that 5.5oz lead buried at 22".

I do not remember reading the coil was a 14" mono?



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 11:23:11 AEDT AM
  
I do not remember reading the coil was a 14" mono?

I think you are right.The 14" coil refers to the SAD 7000 coil. Hopefully at some stage Reg  or wombat may elaborate.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday January 28 2017 11:39:22 AEDT AM
  
  
  

Yep saw the 5.5 oz detected at 28" ... not bad eh?



interestingly Reg says that the SAD 7000 with the 19" coil could not hear this target at all! zilch , nothing!!!

So on this test the QED defeats the SAD7000!  The QED can also detect some small gold and specimens that the SDC cannot!
doug



Hmmm... musing over test facts & realities, not imaginings, this means 0" for the 7000, and 28" for the QED. (Inches = points in Bugs' cumulative comparison.)

Now, even assuming / believing the 19" is "~30% better than the 14" coil" (unproven, untested by Reg).
That is the same as saying the 14" is ~30% worse than the 19"!!
30% worse than 0" is still 0  (or less?). Lets be generous & say its the same as the 19".

Taking small liberties (just as marketeers do):  On the Bugs' scoring system, if we include the 5.5 oz (slug) of buried lead into the target mix & compare results to a 7000 (14") only. The QED scores an extra 28 points.

The QED "Marketing Team" (wink) assures me that this IS rational & this scoring results in:

      QED (with 12" coil) scores 248+28 = 276 points
     7000 (with std 14") = 232+0= 232 points


So, the difference Doug becomes even more convincing!! SAD isnt it?

But the "QED marketing team", feeling quite restrained, will not make % claims of this difference, even if this alarming finding is from an independant tester. Keep it "in house" a source of growing amusement.

 ::62::


Looking at the above post, from the test data (from the Coiltek test site), provided by testers Reg and / or Wombat, it seems the QED was using the coil it was sold with ....

QED (with 12" coil) scores 248+28 = 276 points

Huego


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 11:46:29 AEDT AM
  
  
  
  

Yep saw the 5.5 oz detected at 28" ... not bad eh?



interestingly Reg says that the SAD 7000 with the 19" coil could not hear this target at all! zilch , nothing!!!

So on this test the QED defeats the SAD7000!  The QED can also detect some small gold and specimens that the SDC cannot!
doug



Hmmm... musing over test facts & realities, not imaginings, this means 0" for the 7000, and 28" for the QED. (Inches = points in Bugs' cumulative comparison.)

Now, even assuming / believing the 19" is "~30% better than the 14" coil" (unproven, untested by Reg).
That is the same as saying the 14" is ~30% worse than the 19"!!
30% worse than 0" is still 0  (or less?). Lets be generous & say its the same as the 19".

Taking small liberties (just as marketeers do):  On the Bugs' scoring system, if we include the 5.5 oz (slug) of buried lead into the target mix & compare results to a 7000 (14") only. The QED scores an extra 28 points.

The QED "Marketing Team" (wink) assures me that this IS rational & this scoring results in:

     QED (with 12" coil) scores 248+28 = 276 points
     7000 (with std 14") = 232+0= 232 points


So, the difference Doug becomes even more convincing!! SAD isnt it?

But the "QED marketing team", feeling quite restrained, will not make % claims of this difference, even if this alarming finding is from an independant tester. Keep it "in house" a source of growing amusement.

 ::62::


Looking at the above post, from the test data (from the Coiltek test site), provided by testers Reg and / or Wombat, it seems the QED was using the coil it was sold with ....

QED (with 12" coil) scores 248+28 = 276 points

Huego


I believe that Reg also said that to hear the 22" target with the GPX the coil had to be nearly on the ground.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday January 28 2017 12:00:34 AEDT PM
  

I believe that Reg also said that to hear the 22" target with the GPX the coil had to be nearly on the ground.
doug
::419::


Thats my recollection too Doug


Title: Re: QED update:see Yellowfins latest posts on finders
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 12:23:37 AEDT PM
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=705&sid=31b1711293781f06ad93996ee721626d
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=705&sid=31b1711293781f06ad93996ee721626d
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:see Yellowfins latest posts on finders
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 12:39:24 AEDT PM
  
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=705&sid=31b1711293781f06ad93996ee721626d
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=705&sid=31b1711293781f06ad93996ee721626d
doug ::419::

So much for those saying that their  are few reports of the QED finding gold. Also a YF says in his post that the QED can detect some nuggets that the SDC can't (this confirms other reports) and goes on to say that the QED seems able to detect some gold that the 5000 can't!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update :detection holes
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 14:45:39 AEDT PM
ALL  Pi detectors that use null summation methods to cancel the ground signals will have detection holes.The detection holes occur with nuggets that have the same or very similar TC to the ground. The QED is no different in this regard and will have detection holes.Not sure at this stage  what size  nuggets fall into the detection holes of the QED.However the very  big difference between the QED and say the gpx/SDC  is that the QED uses a GB method that does not cause a huge depth loss on longer TC targets which occurs with the smooth timings on ML gpx/sdc. So over deeper ground where you have to use smooth timings with a gpx with a mono coil the QED should have a depth advantage on longer TC nuggets.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:question from finders
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 16:05:43 AEDT PM
Doug while your posting replies to posts here what are the 2 x ferrite coil adapters that are supplied with the full QED kit? Are they for the coil lead?"

Yes.
Clip on just past the plug.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:compatible with the QED? Deteknix WireFree WR Wireless Kit
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 16:13:53 AEDT PM
Deteknix WireFree WR Wireless Kit
http://phasetechnical.com.au/product/deteknix-wirefree-kit/
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday January 28 2017 16:57:04 AEDT PM
What do the ferrite coil adaptors do? Excuse my ignorance, ta.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 17:05:55 AEDT PM
  
What do the ferrite coil adaptors do? Excuse my ignorance, ta.

To reduce radio frequency (RF) interference.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:compatible with the QED? Deteknix WireFree WR Wireless Kit
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 17:26:26 AEDT PM
  
Deteknix WireFree WR Wireless Kit
http://phasetechnical.com.au/product/deteknix-wirefree-kit/
doug ::419::

Been answered on finders!Thanks YF
http://finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=555
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 18:51:28 AEDT PM
  
  
What do the ferrite coil adaptors do? Excuse my ignorance, ta.

To reduce radio frequency (RF) interference.
doug ::419::

The ferrite coils act as low pass filters attenuating  HF Rf.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 22:39:05 AEDT PM
  
  
  
What do the ferrite coil adaptors do? Excuse my ignorance, ta.

To reduce radio frequency (RF) interference.
doug ::419::

The ferrite coils act as low pass filters attenuating  HF Rf.
doug ::419::

The filtering characteristics of the ferrite are substantially determined by its composition.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update :“it's a little ripper for depth.”
Post by: Doug on Saturday January 28 2017 23:14:05 AEDT PM
QED  “it's a little ripper for depth.”
jrbeatty  on Finders.
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=750
Link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=750
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update :“it's a little ripper for depth.”
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 09:26:24 AEDT AM
  
QED  “it's a little ripper for depth.”
jrbeatty  on Finders.
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=750
Link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=750
doug ::419::

jrbeatty QED's wireless set up looks good. Looking forward to more of his QED posts.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Sunday January 29 2017 10:06:12 AEDT AM
There is so much aggession & personal abuse that it may be locked. I hope the worst posts are simply deleted so discussion can continue esp. by the testers or others using one.

That is precisely what some are doing - BAITING others with history & inuendo to respond. Notice much is being done on the QED thread? Thats so it is disrupted, diluted, its message diminished by flounders & friends. But the QED will shine through on other threads and ML supporters will be crying into their bowls of CROW stew.

 ::62::

I see Biggold has been exposed by Reg - his ethics & nuggets are missing   ::620::

Hey did we have fun with Ashleigh? Wish "she" / he would return for more.  ::620::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 10:22:16 AEDT AM
  
There is so much aggession & personal abuse that it may be locked. I hope the worst posts are simply deleted so discussion can continue esp. by the testers or others using one.

That is precisely what some are doing - BAITING others with history & inuendo to respond. Notice much is being done on the QED thread? Thats so it is disrupted, diluted, its message diminished by flounders & friends. But the QED will shine through on other threads and ML supporters will be crying into their bowls of CROW stew.

 ::62::

What is going on is just the start of what I expect will be a long and very vitriolic  and nasty anti QED campaign by a few vested interest. However their is enough positive info out there now for people to make an  informed decision as to whether its the detector for them.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday January 29 2017 10:27:17 AEDT AM
yep seems so funny to me that some have shut the qed topic down on another forum  ::75::
its like closing the gate after the horse has bolted , lol  ::106::
hottest topic of the year and they shoot them selves in the foot  ::420::
go figure  ::106:: ::106::
cheers red



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 10:32:56 AEDT AM
  
yep seems so funny to me that some have shut the qed topic down on another forum  ::75::
its like closing the gate after the horse has bolted , lol  ::106::
hottest topic of the year and they shoot them selves in the foot  ::420::
go figure  ::106:: ::106::
cheers red



Absolutely correct! But what else would  you expect from a de facto ML forum and marketing arm! Yes the QED is a hot topic! The forum has just passed 180,000 page views for the month!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:manual GB
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 10:50:34 AEDT AM
 One advantage of the manual GB on the QED compared to auto tracking is that the QED  Gb will never track out at target which can happen with some targets with  ML detectors and mono coils.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 10:56:55 AEDT AM
  
There is so much aggession & personal abuse that it may be locked. I hope the worst posts are simply deleted so discussion can continue esp. by the testers or others using one.

That is precisely what some are doing - BAITING others with history & inuendo to respond. Notice much is being done on the QED thread? Thats so it is disrupted, diluted, its message diminished by flounders & friends. But the QED will shine through on other threads and ML supporters will be crying into their bowls of CROW stew.

 ::62::

I see Biggold has been exposed by Reg - his ethics & nuggets are missing   ::620::

Hey did we have fun with Ashleigh? Wish "she" / he would return for more.  ::620::

You know that the QED is seen as real competitive detector when you see the vested interests trying behind the scenes to  restrict it sales by any means fair or foul!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday January 29 2017 11:05:08 AEDT AM
hi dug
was looking at a us site ,and feeling is they are very keen to get them over there
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 11:07:44 AEDT AM
  
hi dug
was looking at a us site ,and feeling is they are very keen to get them over there
cheers red

This would be a long way off as  demand here way exceeds the production rate!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday January 29 2017 11:18:59 AEDT AM
gee after reading some of the crap thats doing the rounds you feel like saying
,go put your big pants on suck it up and used to it move on , the QED is here to stay
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 11:23:08 AEDT AM
  
gee after reading some of the crap thats doing the rounds
You aint  seen anything yet!The vested interests have only just began their anti QED war.Its going to get very nasty and very personal!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:manual GB
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 11:43:01 AEDT AM
  
One advantage of the manual GB on the QED compared to auto tracking is that the QED  Gb will never track out at target which can happen with some targets with  ML detectors and mono coils.
doug ::419::

JP on ML auto tracking
"----but I can assure you the auto GB will knock out targets if repeatedly swept over"
LachlanM you need to get your facts correct! ::620::
doug ::419::
Edited:Sunday January 29 2017 11:48:02 AEDT AM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: authere on Sunday January 29 2017 11:53:14 AEDT AM
Hi Doug,

What is the production rate,can BW catch up to demand....ever so patiently waiting

Ron


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday January 29 2017 12:20:18 AEDT PM
hi all
I dont understand why people are so intent on baging the QED ,
It uses minelab coils ,nugget finder, coiltek and others,
It supports other companys in the felid
Not like another manufacturer trying to phase them out, guess who
QED acepts multi types of headphone / earplugs, coils , not like the sdc minelab only headphone, that was until,
Phasetechnical made an adapter , thank god ,yes i own an sdc
The QED is NOT like the new machines being offered , gpz and the great range of gpz coils ,opps ONLY 1 to choose from  ,
sdc and no sdc coil , hello anyone see a pattern happening here ,you will buy there product and there product only,sooo
bugs all the best with the beast , kick arse
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update:manual GB
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 12:37:47 AEDT PM
  
  
One advantage of the manual GB on the QED compared to auto tracking is that the QED  Gb will never track out at target which can happen with some targets with  ML detectors and mono coils.
doug ::419::

JP on ML auto tracking
"----but I can assure you the auto GB will knock out targets if repeatedly swept over"
LachlanM you need to get your facts correct! ::620::
doug ::419::
Edited:Sunday January 29 2017 11:48:02 AEDT AM

The ML gp/gpx WILL track out some targets(those at the very extremes of detection range) with a mono coil!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 13:17:10 AEDT PM
  
  
gee after reading some of the crap thats doing the rounds
You aint  seen anything yet!The vested interests have only just began their anti QED war.Its going to get very nasty and very personal!
doug ::419::

Its started!Reg Wilson is now under personal attack because of what he has posted about the QED and ML!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 13:34:27 AEDT PM
  
Hi Doug,

What is the production rate,can BW catch up to demand....ever so patiently waiting

Ron

I don't know and i guess it varies depending on circumstances.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:manual GB
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 15:16:52 AEDT PM
  
  
  
One advantage of the manual GB on the QED compared to auto tracking is that the QED  Gb will never track out at target which can happen with some targets with  ML detectors and mono coils.
doug ::419::

JP on ML auto tracking
"----but I can assure you the auto GB will knock out targets if repeatedly swept over"
LachlanM you need to get your facts correct! ::620::
doug ::419::
Edited:Sunday January 29 2017 11:48:02 AEDT AM

The ML gp/gpx WILL track out some targets(those at the very extremes of detection range) with a mono coil!
doug ::419::

The SDC will also track out some targets!Maybe that's why the QED has detected some gold that the SDC can't?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: greylourie on Sunday January 29 2017 17:30:03 AEDT PM
What is the rod/handle combination on the example in the demo videos ? Does anyone know ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Sunday January 29 2017 18:47:31 AEDT PM
  
What is the rod/handle combination on the example in the demo videos ? Does anyone know ?

At a guess this is the pistol grip or something very similar. The straight shafts are easy to come by so would not take much to knock up a similar set up  ::419::

https://www.seriousdetecting.com/product/robohandle-pistol-grip-pull-handle-78-1-4-pole-size/


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: pedro on Sunday January 29 2017 18:50:36 AEDT PM
Apologies if this has already been answered..
Is the headphone socket 3.5mm?
Cheers


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kris on Sunday January 29 2017 19:30:39 AEDT PM
 ::62:: My advice to Reg now is to go quiet and not answer any that will drive them crazy


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday January 29 2017 20:27:02 AEDT PM
  
::62:: My advice to Reg now is to go quiet and not answer any that will drive them crazy

 I think Reg is too busy finding gold with the QED to worry about the sycophantic pro ML lovers and ill informed QED detractors like Jen 58! ::620:: ::102:: BW and I had a  good laugh today when we talked about their antics! BW and myself have been through thick and thin with the  QED and all the detractors  comments do is just reinforce our very close bond. In fact BW still has and uses the very first QED " nugget" that was found by me at Talbot.
doug ::419::
edited:Sunday January 29 2017 20:29:10 AEDT PM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday January 29 2017 20:43:27 AEDT PM
  
  
::62:: My advice to Reg now is to go quiet and not answer any that will drive them crazy

 I think Reg is too busy finding gold with the QED to worry about the sycophantic pro ML lovers and ill informed QED detractors like Jen 58! ::620:: ::102:: BW and I had a  good laugh today when we talked about their antics! BW and myself have been through thick and thin with the  QED and all the detractors  comments do is just reinforce our very close bond. In fact BW still has and uses the very first QED " nugget" that was found by me at Talbot.
doug ::419::
edited:Sunday January 29 2017 20:29:10 AEDT PM

It was 12:00 pm on the 10th of the 10th 2010. We should have started detecting 2 hours earlier !


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kiwigoldhunter on Sunday January 29 2017 21:10:53 AEDT PM
Hmmmm  my birthdate , surely that is a sign ….lol


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Sunday January 29 2017 21:50:01 AEDT PM
  
Apologies if this has already been answered..
Is the headphone socket 3.5mm?
Cheers

yes Pedro has 3.5mm jack


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: pedro on Sunday January 29 2017 22:52:01 AEDT PM
Thanks gef12


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Monday January 30 2017 00:10:24 AEDT AM
The rod and handle in the video are from stinky pete he sells detech  products ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Monday January 30 2017 00:57:54 AEDT AM
  
The rod and handle in the video are from stinky pete he sells detech  products ::62::

Love your work oldhand


Title: Re: QED update - Why & How to Eat CROW
Post by: Huego on Monday January 30 2017 10:47:19 AEDT AM
"Eating crow is an American colloquial idiom, meaning humiliation by having been proven wrong after making strong & vocal oposition. Crow is presumably foul-tasting in the same way that being proven wrong might be emotionally hard to swallow."

Who would feel such "humiliation" or distaste?

Any open minded, humble prospector using whatever MD he can afford?  Nope
Any other MD manufacturer ie competition (eg Whites, ML etc)?   Nope
Any users of Whites / ML etc products?   Nope


Those who denigrated or disbelieved that the QED even existed, was a close match for the best there was about, was lightweight, easy to use, ergonomic, affordable etc etc AND is available now?   Yep! They were WRONG .. though still in denial or in a glum silence

The humiliation is not coming, its available now, & CROW STEW is available with hot chile sauce for a double burn. (Ask Reg for a serve  ::620::)

I will still keep my ML 2200SD as a souvenir of times past, a historic relic which was useful in its day.

As for "high fiving the downfall of Minelab"?  Nope, not me nor anyone I know!
Kick in the pants of blind ML followers?  Yes, maybe occassionally  ::620::

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Monday January 30 2017 13:06:19 AEDT PM
  

I dont understand why people are so intent on baging the QED ,....


I can .... especially from those who have ALWAYS denigrated & demeaned the QED*, bagged its strident supporters bad mouthed this forum for its truth & honesty about the QED.

eg   * ".... many consider the QED a joke" (Lachlan, a typical denigrator)

Predications & commentary about what the QED was about have been made for years .... but never taken seriously because it was not available to critics. Now its available to ALL.

Quote

...Do you honestly think a one trick pony backyard company can knock Minelab off their international perch?
(Lachlan, a typical denigrator)


Nope, I doubt if that was ever said or even implied. Its a ridiculous suggestion!

But, do we think a QED-PL, designed by a single backyarder over some years in the storm of much adversity & controversy, can rattle the interest of prospectors with a affordable, easy-to use, lightweight, high-performance PI, one that can match the performance & rattle the cage (interest) of its competitors & users? You betcha!

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Monday January 30 2017 15:10:13 AEDT PM
BW I have a QED on order from GSA [Dean] do you have any idea when the back orders will be caught up ,I imagine its a ever growing list regards john ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Monday January 30 2017 15:42:14 AEDT PM
The following Questions posted on Finders for Bug's

Does the QED have an audible threshold.

If so does it have an adjustable threshold.

If not how will the operator hear those very faint threshold breaks that so often turn out to be a deep bit of gold.

 Isn't it true that once a signal is on the very edge of detection a detector will not give a clear signal and once the clear signal is no longer audible then it is the slight threshold break or waver that indicates a possble target.

 Similar to using no threshold on a GPX or GPZ you loose the ability to hear those wavers am l correct. Please correct if l'm wrong.

 How does the QED overcome this.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 30 2017 18:59:29 AEDT PM
  
BW I have a QED on order from GSA [Dean] do you have any idea when the back orders will be caught up ,I imagine its a ever growing list regards john ::62::

Dean will be able to answer that. Production is slow due to being hand made. Before peak detecting season arrives we hope to have all back orders filled.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday January 30 2017 19:28:09 AEDT PM
  
The following Questions posted on Finders for Bug's

Does the QED have an audible threshold.

Yes, There are 2 sources of threshold adjustment.
Volume is one and it provides a threshold for all targets both rising and falling pitch.
Bias is the other and as it's name implies it is used to create a threshold for either rising or falling pitch.
Bias and Volume can be used in mixed proportions to provide the desired result.

If so does it have an adjustable threshold.

If not how will the operator hear those very faint threshold breaks that so often turn out to be a deep bit of gold.

 Isn't it true that once a signal is on the very edge of detection a detector will not give a clear signal and once the clear signal is no longer audible then it is the slight threshold break or waver that indicates a possble target.

The VCO or pitch change in the QED is far more senstiive than the VCA (volume change). If using headphones and concentrating only on pitch change then very faint signals are more discernable.
 

 Similar to using no threshold on a GPX or GPZ you loose the ability to hear those wavers am l correct. Please correct if l'm wrong.

 How does the QED overcome this.
Using low or no threshold on the QED will result in very poor performance. The detector as shipped has the GAIN set to 1. This is only there as a last resort if operating in a very noisy environment. Around a gain of 4 gives best results. The hardest people to train are those who are accustomed to how a ML works. The QED is a different creation that requires new skills that are well worth the learning to get the best out of it..




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday January 30 2017 20:57:40 AEDT PM
 BW can you set up the bias/vol to optimize for  small or large targets eg you  want to use an 8" mono to hunt for small gold? How would you set up the QED to do this?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday January 30 2017 22:39:09 AEDT PM
  
  
The following Questions posted on Finders for Bug's

Does the QED have an audible threshold.

Yes, There are 2 sources of threshold adjustment.
Volume is one and it provides a threshold for all targets both rising and falling pitch.
Bias is the other and as it's name implies it is used to create a threshold for either rising or falling pitch.
Bias and Volume can be used in mixed proportions to provide the desired result.

If so does it have an adjustable threshold.

If not how will the operator hear those very faint threshold breaks that so often turn out to be a deep bit of gold.

 Isn't it true that once a signal is on the very edge of detection a detector will not give a clear signal and once the clear signal is no longer audible then it is the slight threshold break or waver that indicates a possble target.

The VCO or pitch change in the QED is far more senstiive than the VCA (volume change). If using headphones and concentrating only on pitch change then very faint signals are more discernable.
 

 Similar to using no threshold on a GPX or GPZ you loose the ability to hear those wavers am l correct. Please correct if l'm wrong.

 How does the QED overcome this.
Using low or no threshold on the QED will result in very poor performance. The detector as shipped has the GAIN set to 1. This is only there as a last resort if operating in a very noisy environment. Around a gain of 4 gives best results. The hardest people to train are those who are accustomed to how a ML works. The QED is a different creation that requires new skills that are well worth the learning to get the best out of it..



"The hardest people to train are those who are accustomed to how a ML works. The QED is a different creation that requires new skills that are well worth the learning to get the best out of it"

Those that understand this  are doing well with the QED and  so far seem very happy with its performance. When a very successful *prospector (with NO vested interest whatsoever in the QED)  says he is going to use the QED with a large mono as his primary prospecting tool then we should seriously take note.
doug ::419::
*who did NOT ever have a QED until after visiting BW very recently and seeing the QED working in BW's backyard.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday January 31 2017 05:49:53 AEDT AM
  
BW can you set up the bias/vol to optimize for  small or large targets eg you  want to use an 8" mono to hunt for small gold? How would you set up the QED to do this?
doug ::419::

Set the GAIN to 4 and VOLUME to 30.
Decrease BIAS below 50 until desired threshold attained.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bubbazoo on Tuesday January 31 2017 13:17:04 AEDT PM
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

why was no testing done with the 4500, 500, 7000 set in normal. all the setting used reduce the depth? have any test been done in normal as some folks don't have difficult ground. Dave


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 31 2017 13:24:34 AEDT PM
  
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

why was no testing done with the 4500, 500, 7000 set in normal. all the setting used reduce the depth? have any test been done in normal as some folks don't have difficult ground. Dave

I guess because  most of our GF ground requires the use of a DD or smooth timing with mono's and  normal on the SAD7000 also  can't be used over most ground.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Discussion of Tests & Results
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 31 2017 13:59:10 AEDT PM
Back to 4-ummer, where a QED Tester (Reg) was reporting his findings, is  NOW LOCKED & MISSING:

Quote

It seems that accusations made regarding the ability for testers to fiddle with the settings, was called out for the twaddle that it was! Uncivilised crap from other parties ensured that ego's overpowered civil maturity! (Bubba)


Basicly I agree Dave.

The QED topic was first locked on 4-ummer then deleted/hidden because a moderator (some call a "lady") was offended by the way in which she was corrected by Doug (who his critics call "a dictator"!). Notice the difference in title?  Then, each moderator expected an apology from the other (when each shoulda cooled it) … meanwhile, readers there & propective buyers, miss out on alternative discussion & information from testers.

If the topic (QED testing) "was going nowhere in the end and was "spiraling out of control and becoming nasty” (quoting davsgold, admin on 4umer) it is up to the administrators to show mutal civility, tolerance & then discuss, eg privately, how to handle it, not inflame it with their own judgements, comments or questions. These are my own  personal views. Judicious deletion of words or posts or warnings on 4-ummer are the best way in my opinion. (Mind you, we have had a few hot topics locked here, ones I was participated in.)

Moderation must be seen to be fair / balanced in opportunity to question or criticise. BUT, well known one-eyed QED denigrators are best kept out as is done or posts become abusive & accusative like on Finders, or worse, on 1.5s forum. Some posters love that!

Some questions raised of the QED or its testers are not genuine, ie are in my opinion, inflammatory (ie designed to expose some design know-how, protected IP, confront experienced testers values or methods etc). These here are called out for what they are … provocation designed to be more useful to competitors or amusing to the simple minds of lemmings.

As Lary suggests "Lets keep an open mind, and treat the obvious nay sayers comments as vested interest comments at this stage…..” ……….AMEN

 
Ghostly Walker
 ::62::

PS:  “… they (mods) didn't want to know about .. the QED". (Inhere)
Then Jen58 "decided they didn't want to know about anything to do with the QED". (YF)

Does it really matter who's to blame? What matters are the good reports from Reg & others that were lost.
Thats a BIG loss to forum members & buyers & a benefit to the QED detractors.
Meanwhile ML advertise there as if its a ML dealership!

"Where is the freedom of (sharing) information?” (YF)

Indeed "where is the freedom" to use use only FACTS FROM QED Designer or an independant tester, not from fears or imaginings. No limits on such truth here.

Mods MUST discern (not ask, or get involved) which questions are for operational reasons & which are hoped to expose IP, or condemn makers here, contain innuendo & lies, or are just inflammatory comment to confront experienced testers values or methods.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 31 2017 14:44:33 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

why was no testing done with the 4500, 500, 7000 set in normal. all the setting used reduce the depth? have any test been done in normal as some folks don't have difficult ground. Dave

I guess because  most of our GF ground requires the use of a DD or smooth timing with mono's and  normal on the SAD7000 also  can't be used over most ground.
doug ::419::
Because the QED does not use any form of smooth timings  and yet still can GB over hot ground ok it does not suffer the huge depth loss(up to 40%!) on some nuggets that the  Gpx does with smooth timings.
doug ::419::
 Edited:Tuesday January 31 2017 14:50:16 AEDT PM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 31 2017 14:56:44 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

why was no testing done with the 4500, 500, 7000 set in normal. all the setting used reduce the depth? have any test been done in normal as some folks don't have difficult ground. Dave

I guess because  most of our GF ground requires the use of a DD or smooth timing with mono's and  normal on the SAD7000 also  can't be used over most ground.
doug ::419::
Because the QED does not use any form of smooth timings  and yet still can GB over hot ground ok it does not suffer the huge depth loss(up to 40%!) on some nuggets that the  Gpx does with smooth timings.
doug ::419::
 Edited:Tuesday January 31 2017 14:50:16 AEDT PM

What is most important in any Pi is not the absolute "grunt"(pulse length, peak coil current ect) but the S/N eg better EMI immunity. Some unique features of the QED's signal processing and  its simple circuit i believe give it a better S/N than other comparable detectors.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Tuesday January 31 2017 17:05:29 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

why was no testing done with the 4500, 500, 7000 set in normal. all the setting used reduce the depth? have any test been done in normal as some folks don't have difficult ground. Dave

I guess because  most of our GF ground requires the use of a DD or smooth timing with mono's and  normal on the SAD7000 also  can't be used over most ground.
doug ::419::
Because the QED does not use any form of smooth timings  and yet still can GB over hot ground ok it does not suffer the huge depth loss(up to 40%!) on some nuggets that the  Gpx does with smooth timings.
doug ::419::
 Edited:Tuesday January 31 2017 14:50:16 AEDT PM

What is most important in any Pi is not the absolute "grunt"(pulse length, peak coil current ect) but the S/N eg better EMI immunity. Some unique features of the QED's signal processing and  its simple circuit i believe give it a better S/N than other comparable detectors.
doug ::419::

exactly Doug .. S/n is the important thing .. too much power into the ground can be harmfull in the return signal there by swamping the ground increasing your ground noise ... years ago was working with low power PI and were doing just as equal as its bigger brothers :-)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 31 2017 17:18:29 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
  
Comparative test results gathered since April 2016.
The test distances are in Inches.
The AL* test pieces are all 3mm thick except the AL block.

why was no testing done with the 4500, 500, 7000 set in normal. all the setting used reduce the depth? have any test been done in normal as some folks don't have difficult ground. Dave

I guess because  most of our GF ground requires the use of a DD or smooth timing with mono's and  normal on the SAD7000 also  can't be used over most ground.
doug ::419::
Because the QED does not use any form of smooth timings  and yet still can GB over hot ground ok it does not suffer the huge depth loss(up to 40%!) on some nuggets that the  Gpx does with smooth timings.
doug ::419::
 Edited:Tuesday January 31 2017 14:50:16 AEDT PM

What is most important in any Pi is not the absolute "grunt"(pulse length, peak coil current ect) but the S/N eg better EMI immunity. Some unique features of the QED's signal processing and  its simple circuit i believe give it a better S/N than other comparable detectors.
doug ::419::

exactly Doug .. S/n is the important thing .. too much power into the ground can be harmfull in the return signal there by swamping the ground increasing your ground noise ... years ago was working with low power PI and were doing just as equal as its bigger brothers :-)


Complex circuits also add more noise! The front end of the QED also is very different to any other PI like a ML's which tend to rectify Rf into voltage noise( EMI noise)
While it would be totally wrong to say the QED is totally immune to this (its NOT!!) it is more immune than any ML PI with a mono coil. Their are also other reasons which i won't go into as to why the QED has better EMI immunity than other Pi detectors.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Discussion of Tests & Results
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 31 2017 22:11:55 AEDT PM
  

Back to 4-ummer, where a QED Tester (Reg) was reporting his findings, is NOW LOCKED & MISSING:

Quote

It seems that accusations made regarding the ability for testers to fiddle with the settings, was called out for the twaddle that it was! Uncivilised crap from other parties ensured that ego's overpowered civil maturity! (Bubba)


Basicly I agree Dave.

The QED topic was first locked on 4-ummer then deleted/hidden because a moderator (some call a "lady") was offended by the way in which she was corrected by Doug (who his critics call "a dictator"!). Notice the difference in title?  Then, each moderator expected an apology from the other (when each shoulda cooled it) … meanwhile, readers there & prospective buyers, miss out on alternative discussion & information from testers.  


Perhaps the QED Testing topic will be unlocked, if the knockers especially, can be restrained from unwarranted criticisms, based on imaginings rather than facts from those who have used it, know it well.  One member there thinks so.

"I reckon we should get the discussion re the  New Aussie PI cranked up again??....Yes/No?" (Adrian on 4 ummer).

It depends on HOW the moderators there can contain their own biases as well as those of the QED critics who are always will to make personal attacks on testers users or its product designer.

PS: I see the first reponse from "******" (a frequenter on Finders) is exactly what I'm talking about, taking some sort of high moral ground. His post is pointless, irrelevant to the QED & should be deleted. I respect admins (any gender, without favour) who do their job properly.

* name removed by Huego outa respect for ALL admins


Title: Re: QED update- Discussion of Tests & Results
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 31 2017 22:19:14 AEDT PM
  
  

Back to 4-ummer where a QED Tester (Reg) was reporting his findings's  NOW LOCKED & MISSING:

Quote

It seems that accusations made regarding the ability for testers to fiddle with the settings, was called out for the twaddle that it was! Uncivilised crap from other parties ensured that ego's overpowered civil maturity! (Bubba)


Basicly I agree Dave.

The QED topic was first locked on 4-ummer then deleted because a moderator (some call a "lady") was offended by the way in which she was corrected by Doug (who his critics call "a dictator"!). Notice the difference in accusation?  Then, each moderator expected an apology from the other (when each shoulda cooled it) … meanwhile, readers there & propective buyers, miss out on alternative discussion & information from testers. 


Perhaps the QED Testing topic will be unlocked, if the knockers especially, can be restrained from unbased criticisms, based on imaginings and not fact from thos who have used it know it iwell & who dont have a blind bias. One member there thinks so.

""I reckon we should get the discussion re the  New Aussie PI cranked up again??....Yes/No? (Adrian on 4 ummer).

It depends on HOW the moderators can contain their own biases as well as those of the QED critics who are always will to make personal attacks on testers users or its product designer.
The topic will be unlocked again otherwise where will a well known "detector identity" dump on the QED? (which undoubtedly he will have shortly)
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Discussion of Tests & Results
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 31 2017 22:47:17 AEDT PM
  
  
  

Back to 4-ummer where a QED Tester (Reg) was reporting his findings's  NOW LOCKED & MISSING:

Quote

It seems that accusations made regarding the ability for testers to fiddle with the settings, was called out for the twaddle that it was! Uncivilised crap from other parties ensured that ego's overpowered civil maturity! (Bubba)


Basicly I agree Dave.

The QED topic was first locked on 4-ummer then deleted because a moderator (some call a "lady") was offended by the way in which she was corrected by Doug (who his critics call "a dictator"!). Notice the difference in accusation?  Then, each moderator expected an apology from the other (when each shoulda cooled it) … meanwhile, readers there & propective buyers, miss out on alternative discussion & information from testers. 


Perhaps the QED Testing topic will be unlocked, if the knockers especially, can be restrained from unbased criticisms, based on imaginings and not fact from thos who have used it know it iwell & who dont have a blind bias. One member there thinks so.

""I reckon we should get the discussion re the  New Aussie PI cranked up again??....Yes/No? (Adrian on 4 ummer).

It depends on HOW the moderators can contain their own biases as well as those of the QED critics who are always will to make personal attacks on testers users or its product designer.
The topic will be unlocked again otherwise where will a well known "detector identity" dump on the QED? (which undoubtedly he will have shortly)
doug ::419::

Their is movement at the station already! 4umer can't afford to  have some of its best members join other forums and  its members not to  be able to post anything on the QED. The  surge in page views on this and other forums shows just what they are missing out on.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Discussion of Tests & Results
Post by: Doug on Tuesday January 31 2017 22:51:21 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  

Back to 4-ummer where a QED Tester (Reg) was reporting his findings's  NOW LOCKED & MISSING:

Quote

It seems that accusations made regarding the ability for testers to fiddle with the settings, was called out for the twaddle that it was! Uncivilised crap from other parties ensured that ego's overpowered civil maturity! (Bubba)


Basicly I agree Dave.

The QED topic was first locked on 4-ummer then deleted because a moderator (some call a "lady") was offended by the way in which she was corrected by Doug (who his critics call "a dictator"!). Notice the difference in accusation?  Then, each moderator expected an apology from the other (when each shoulda cooled it) … meanwhile, readers there & propective buyers, miss out on alternative discussion & information from testers. 


Perhaps the QED Testing topic will be unlocked, if the knockers especially, can be restrained from unbased criticisms, based on imaginings and not fact from thos who have used it know it iwell & who dont have a blind bias. One member there thinks so.

""I reckon we should get the discussion re the  New Aussie PI cranked up again??....Yes/No? (Adrian on 4 ummer).

It depends on HOW the moderators can contain their own biases as well as those of the QED critics who are always will to make personal attacks on testers users or its product designer.
The topic will be unlocked again otherwise where will a well known "detector identity" dump on the QED? (which undoubtedly he will have shortly)
doug ::419::

Their is movement at the station already! 4umer can't afford to  have some of its best members join other forums and  its members not to  be able to post anything on the QED. The  surge in page views on this and other forums shows just what they are missing out on.
doug ::419::

Currently this forum has 60 members viewing the forum! This forums membership is less than 1/10 th that of 4umer which has about 160 viewing! Tells you something does it not?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Discussion of Tests & Results
Post by: Huego on Tuesday January 31 2017 23:06:55 AEDT PM
  

The topic will be unlocked again otherwise where will a well known "detector identity" dump on the QED? (which undoubtedly he will have shortly)
doug



Their is movement at the station already! 4umer can't afford to  have some of its best members join other forums and  its members not to  be able to post anything on the QED. The  surge in page views on this and other forums shows just what they are missing out on.

doug


Interesting the level of interest in the QED (and maybe any shitfight over it)!!

Any publciity is good publicity they say!

One suggestion there was for a DISCLAIMER to posters. It could go something like this.....

The opinions, suggestions, guesses & innuendo (made by moderators or members) in response to reports by QED users / testers are just that. They should not be taken as information that could affect your decision to purchase a QED.

READ the FORUM RULES re RESPECTING each other & our COPYRIGHT
(excepting quoting extracts, giving author & source, like Huego does)
Such a disclaimer could be used to replace deleted posts by offenders  

OR

as a watermark over posts that are inflammatory ::402::

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update- Discussion of Tests & Results
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 1 2017 10:14:47 AEDT AM
  
  
  
  

Back to 4-ummer where a QED Tester (Reg) was reporting his findings's  NOW LOCKED & MISSING:

Quote

It seems that accusations made regarding the ability for testers to fiddle with the settings, was called out for the twaddle that it was! Uncivilised crap from other parties ensured that ego's overpowered civil maturity! (Bubba)


Basicly I agree Dave.

The QED topic was first locked on 4-ummer then deleted because a moderator (some call a "lady") was offended by the way in which she was corrected by Doug (who his critics call "a dictator"!). Notice the difference in accusation?  Then, each moderator expected an apology from the other (when each shoulda cooled it) … meanwhile, readers there & propective buyers, miss out on alternative discussion & information from testers.  


Perhaps the QED Testing topic will be unlocked, if the knockers especially, can be restrained from unbased criticisms, based on imaginings and not fact from thos who have used it know it iwell & who dont have a blind bias. One member there thinks so.

""I reckon we should get the discussion re the  New Aussie PI cranked up again??....Yes/No? (Adrian on 4 ummer).

It depends on HOW the moderators can contain their own biases as well as those of the QED critics who are always will to make personal attacks on testers users or its product designer.
The topic will be unlocked again otherwise where will a well known "detector identity" dump on the QED? (which undoubtedly he will have shortly)
doug ::419::

Their is movement at the station already! 4umer can't afford to  have some of its best members join other forums and  its members not to  be able to post anything on the QED. The  surge in page views on this and other forums shows just what they are missing out on.
doug ::419::

Its back on 4 umer! see the sc below
Reg calls the  QED the "little detector". ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update - Discussion Elsewhere
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 1 2017 10:39:09 AEDT AM

We hope the original QED thread returns (cleaned up sanitised of the personal attacks, bull shite & inuendo)

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Before it was taken down, the 'little detector' (QED, thread on this) site just about broke all records for hits, proving that indeed people were interested in it. Some with vested interests would be happy to see it fade into oblivion. That is not going to happen, whether or not it makes a reappearance here....

Unfortunately there are some who cannot keep themselves 'tidy' on a keyboard, as you can see on the other slightly more Untamed forum (Finders)  (Reg, 4umer)



 ::62::




Title: Re: QED update :firmware- nobody but BW can access it or upload to it!!!
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 1 2017 10:41:41 AEDT AM
 The QED MC is very securely locked and nobody can access or upload anything to it but BW. This includes ALL the prototype QED's which have USB ports.The firmware in the prototype QED's with USB ports is identical to the production models as are the circuits!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update - QED Discussion Elsewhere as DEQ
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 1 2017 10:56:23 AEDT AM
QED defenders are waiting for the next broadside from its enemies.
We hope Reg, YF & others will continue to report their findings ..... anyway, anywhere they choose!

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..... Can't wait for Reg's honest opinion which will not be written through his blooody wallet like so many vested interest commentators today...  genuine competition has one positive side...prices have to be made realistic to move their goods not just monopolystic BS/Marketing Spin......

Do your worst ML boys,.... won't make an iota of difference to the facts as they are disclosed....at least this one has had a very long R & D... and its not made in Malaysia...which is a reasonable start....
Hoo Roo  (Larry, Finders, dec 2016)



 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update: re-Fire up the QED!
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 1 2017 13:24:37 AEDT PM
Davsgold (4umer Admin) to his credit HAS posted Reg's old reports up again on Fire up the QED.  Thanks Davsgold! Of course the critics now need to be CAREFULLY, studiously & maturely moderated by him & the usual well-known denigrators cautioned, much as they should have been from the start. Its NOT the law of the jungle called Finders! Personal attacks & uninformed innuendo (guesses re the operation & performance of the QED) should be referred to FACTS from testers or BW, not entertained or tolerated.

(This forum & the QED incl. its supporters have always attracted a lot of (unwarranted) criticism & venom has not waned. I see 1.5 & some of his ticks have their knickers in a knot .... so funny, so far out, we cant stop laughing!  ::620::)

But strangley & inexpicably 4umer Admin has not called it for what it is, is labelled & sold as, and always has been called .....

a   QED - model PL  (a PI with its own IP!)

Anyone should be able to discuss it maturely as a new product

Huego


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Wednesday February 1 2017 14:33:23 AEDT PM
Can someone with access please post up this link on 4umer under the  "Fire Up The ??? Again" topic
for rc62burke

http://finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=116672#116672
link-http://finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=116672#116672
Showing just how versatile the little machine is  ::62::

 ::17::  



Title: Re: QED update: re-Fire up the QED!
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 1 2017 16:14:35 AEDT PM
  

Can someone with access please post up this link on 4umer under the  "Fire Up The ??? Again" topic  for rc62burke

link-http://finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=116672#116672

Showing just how versatile the little machine is



Sorry mate, I'm only a member here & too busy being shotgun on the "stairway (coach not couch) to heaven"  ::419::

QED is Bloody versatile all right! As bloody versatile as a ... 4-TRICK PONY  ::620:: ::620:: ::620:: ::620::

Dugs, Hugs, Bugs & now Rugs   ::10 :: ::620:: (bloody hilarious)

 ::62::
"Kumbaya" ("Come by Here") is a spiritual song, became a standard campfire song in scouting & prospector camps..


Title: Re: QED update: Acronyms & wannabe Prospectors
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 1 2017 17:00:17 AEDT PM
  

link-http://finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=116672#116672

Showing just how versatile the little machine is



QED & Other Acronyms from that post by YF to GGR

(Lots of acronyms in this “sport" )

What is the QED? : Its a Latin abbreviation for "Quod Erat Demonstrandum" ("that which was demonstrated”)

What is a GGR?:  Its a grumpy GR on Finders & 1.5

How can you tell when a GGR is grumpy? :

When GGR (or a Dunolly DS) calls me PPT or HE, diverting attention like a herring while abusing those who speak kindly of the QED with his own trail of BS

Hey, a picture was taken by YF showing a Colour Coded Purple Mono (CC-PM) on a stem with QED & GPX  … titled “GGR”   ...  who has trouble dealing with others humor or facts in the tropical heat, humidity, beer fumes & MLM (dero mates). Don’t ya love it? Larry (HR, HooRoo) does!

So, thats how H-t-H (Head to Head) testing is done GGR. Got it?  QED vs GPX

Now to your "comforter" (pacifier), the LGB (Little Green Button). It can remain with its unnecessary & costly auto balancing (UCAB).  ::402::

Enjoy

 ::62::

PS: who's "pulling your string" GGR?  ::620::


Title: Re: QED update - Q & A from forums
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 1 2017 18:49:18 AEDT PM
Questions from a Prospector JW

If all the latest, greatest & most expensive MDs (ie Minelab PIs) have been over the ground (with all combinations of coils & settings), is there going to be any gold left for the QED to find??

Yes,

Why? because of the reasons (advantages / performance) already given by the non-aligned testers (advantages have been predicted here for years)

Does that mean ML should give up & not produce another expensive PI with bigger performance promises?

Unliklely JP, the shareholders need them to make & sell MDs because ML & dealers need to make a profit.

There will always be MISSED GOLD even when the fields have been thrashed, and they have.
Virgin Gold or Missed gold, whats the difference?

Where’s the gold?

Still in the ground, or not shown for reasons only the finders know.
Patience Grasshopper, patience!

 ::62::

promulgating pointed postulations phor prospecting pensioners in a purple phazed cocophony.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday February 1 2017 21:34:17 AEDT PM
I'm going to predict that minelab will release a a version of the SDC 2300 with more coil choices, or a mid priced PI, that will probably piss off people who paid a lot for their 5000,s,.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 1 2017 22:21:54 AEDT PM
  
I'm going to predict that minelab will release a a version of the SDC 2300 with more coil choices, or a mid priced PI, that will probably piss off people who paid a lot for their 5000,s,.

A mid priced PI? A 5000 with just the smooth timings? Whatever they do I do not  think they will be able match  the price/ performance/weight/ergonomics of the QED.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Thursday February 2 2017 01:36:58 AEDT AM
G'day members.
I've joined back after an absence and lost login details once I moved carriers. Anyway,  my old USERNAME was sd2200d Digger.
I tried to change it to that but it turned out to be sd220d digger.
I remember putting my name down for the QED for the first 100?
Congratulations Bugwhiskers on getting the QED to market, well done.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 2 2017 02:52:34 AEDT AM
  
  
I'm going to predict that minelab will release a a version of the SDC 2300 with more coil choices, or a mid priced PI, that will probably piss off people who paid a lot for their 5000,s,.

A mid priced PI? A 5000 with just the smooth timings? Whatever they do I do not  think they will be able match  the price/ performance/weight/ergonomics of the QED.
doug ::419::

I agree! But they may be forced into doing something they have been avoiding. Maybe introduces new 19" coil for the SDC!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Thursday February 2 2017 09:19:26 AEDT AM
hi Davent

A mid priced PI? A 5000 with just the smooth timings? = sdc2300
sdc2300 ( on steroids ) with 19 inch coil =  almost equals gpz with 14 maybe
i dont think m/l will do this , it will piss off to many m/l users
but if they were able to give people back the choice of gear they use with there machine
it might help , hang on ,the Qed dose that ,
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Thursday February 2 2017 09:31:02 AEDT AM
  
G'day members.
I've joined back after an absence and lost login details once I moved carriers. Anyway,  my old USERNAME was sd2200d Digger.
I tried to change it to that but it turned out to be sd220d digger.
I remember putting my name down for the QED for the first 100?
Congratulations Bugwhiskers on getting the QED to market, well done.


I would presume that unless you have contacted Dean at Goldsearch Australia and placed an order you won't be on any list Lee.


Title: Re: QED update:disgraceful attacks on Reg Wilson.
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 09:50:16 AEDT AM
Simply for having a QED and posting some of  his results/thoughts about it Reg is under a vile attack by some anonymous gutless perverts and morons on another "forum".
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: re-Fire up the QED!
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 10:02:32 AEDT AM
  
Davsgold (4umer Admin) to his credit HAS posted Reg's old reports up again on Fire up the QED.  
Huego
This thread seems to have gone again due to pressure from above? Talk about inconsistency and bumbling incompetence! Anyway plenty of info here and on other forums so no real loss except for their own members!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:thanks "Yellowfin" on Finders Forum
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 10:21:18 AEDT AM
Thanks  "Yellowfin" for posting the QED menu options on finders this morning. Much appreciated!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:disgraceful attacks on Reg Wilson.
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 2 2017 11:15:20 AEDT AM
  

Simply for having a QED and posting some of  his results/thoughts about it, Reg is under a vile attack by some anonymous gutless perverts and morons on another "forum".
doug



Such attacks were expected & predicted. Reg was onto it from the begiining BUT as his mate JR Beaty says.....

"No hidden agendas with Reg, anyone who knows him knows he states it like it is
Whether people want to hear it or not is a different matter and entirely up to them."


And "Jen58" moderator on 4umer is a member on that "forum" it seems!! I now know where she got those distorted & weird ideas / questions from re the prototype QEDs that were in the field, triggering a sequence of unwarranted deletions. She kinda apologised to BW but should have apologised (or explained clearly) to ALL testers & the members the factual basis for her wrong opinions / implications.

Huego


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Thursday February 2 2017 11:34:31 AEDT AM
KRIKEY ... the thread has gone again from that forum ..I only said  something like ...
agree bring it back but take off your black hats and blinkers ...
seems that mob just can't contain themselves ....

If minelab or any other Co were to compete with the QED it would be a whole new model .. .. and their main selling points would be smaller lighter and of course performance


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Thursday February 2 2017 11:45:43 AEDT AM
  

If minelab or any other Co were to compete with the QED it would be a whole new model .. .. and their main selling points would be smaller lighter and of course performance


Problem is, that ML cannot survive without high profit margin. It is (to) big company.

Preserving high profit margin is behind all those hectic-nervous rant against QED.

Past attempt to terminate QED (along with BW) appear as big mistake now.

They should buy, not sue it (years ago).


Title: Re: QED update - QED Discussion Elsewhere as DEQ
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 2 2017 11:53:59 AEDT AM
  

KRIKEY ... the thread has gone again from that forum ..I only said  something like ...
agree bring it back but take off your black hats and blinkers ...
seems that mob just can't contain themselves ....



Don't think it was anything you said Gef12 ....maybe its the comments & critcisms their admin (Davsgold) was getting on other forums about handling the dross & lies & personal accusations on HIS forum on the DEQED thread. Jen58s position as a mod may be now untenable (untrusted) because of her comments & connections.

Sad & frustrating this deletion is for those who want to know more about the QED performance on 4umer with its large membership base. It MAY come back after a cleansing.

BUT if not, as Doug says, there is much if not all of Reg & YF tests results here.
Most key points have been extracted / quoted here on posts.

Huego  ::62::

There is a tentaive new beggining there.... without any test results! See...

http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24806-q-e-d-field-tests


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 2 2017 11:56:49 AEDT AM
  
  

If minelab or any other Co were to compete with the QED it would be a whole new model .. .. and their main selling points would be smaller lighter and of course performance


Problem is, that ML cannot survive without high profit margin. It is (to) big company.

Preserving high profit margin is behind all those hectic-nervous rant against QED.

Past attempt to terminate QED (along with BW) appear as big mistake now.

They should buy, not sue it (years ago).



I agree... WISE WORDS & truth there WM6!


Title: Re: QED update: re-Fire up the QED!
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 2 2017 12:41:58 AEDT PM
  
  

Davsgold (4umer Admin) to his credit HAS posted Reg's old reports up again on Fire up the QED.  
Huego



This thread seems to have gone again due to pressure from above? ..... Anyway plenty of info here and on other forums so no real loss except for their own members!
doug



I see Jefgold Manager of 4umer has posted his proclamation (initially as a locked comment) defending his knights (his mods) with gongs for their "hard work" & “respectful” efforts. Flung a bit of mud around too in anger / frustration too it seems. Understandable.

But you know what I reckon? I reckon TRUTH* in comments /questions / implications (most esp. about the QED which has been bad-mouthed for years) is MORE important than respect for mods or for members. Depends on your forum standards I guess. Its also why I can be disrespectful with my antics of some who come here to play games with the facts or truths about the QED (like BG).

Maintainng "respect" (behaviour control) between posters on their forum is their moderators prime responsibiity, when its not excercised by hot-headed posters, esp. those critical of the QED & its testers.

I suggest QED post moderation needs: careful display of no bias by more than one moderator & not one that is aligned on QED matters.( QED has many detractors and they know that.)

Huego

* truth is found by searching the facts associated with the QED not in lies or innuendo

PS: As for Jen58 (a mod on 4umer) also a member on 1.5's forum... One can only conclude she is a prisoner of moral concience there, blindfolded (so she cant see their puerile posts), feels sad, dirty & ashamed, as she values respect, is called "a lady", a mother & wife even, so expects or deserves respect in return (at 4umer). If she escapes I wonder if Jefgold will value her "membership" at 1.5 with an honour worthy of his (1.5's) high (im)moral standards?

There is a tentative new QED beggining there.... without any test results! See...

http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24806-q-e-d-field-tests


Title: Re: QED update:mode settings on the QED
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 14:23:02 AEDT PM
The QED mode seeings start at 8 usecs sample delay and then increase in  0.4 u sec increments.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: Yet another lie about Reg Wilson.
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 15:20:20 AEDT PM
 Yet another lie about Reg Wilson!
The first time Reg saw the QED in action was at BW home. BW and Reg  did NOT test the QED at the CT test site prior to Reg visiting BW home !!!
Sadly the lies continue!!! As a matter of interest other people  have had and have been testing the QED long before Reg got his!!!!
doug ::419::



Title: Re: QED update:This topic has now had nearly 80,000 views
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 17:08:28 AEDT PM
This topic has now had nearly 80,000 views on this and 2 other forums! This figure does not include the approx 10,000 views on 4 umer which vanished because the QED did not "conform" to their agenda!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Thursday February 2 2017 17:28:08 AEDT PM
 ::27::


Title: Re: QED update"big gold" caught out telling lies!
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 18:43:22 AEDT PM
BG- "Also did your old memory just happen to forget when and where you met Doug and B/W for the first time"
I have never met Reg with or without BW!!!!!
Big gold  why do you continue to tell lies?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 2 2017 19:04:42 AEDT PM
It is a shame that what should have been a happy event has been reduced to all this, And many interested prospectors are loosing interest in this machine because of it and that will Cost the Inventor and Gold Search good money in the long run,

All this personal stuff needs to Stop In the Interest of those involved, but in the interest of QED Sales are going to take a beating if this keeps up and all the good that has been done will all be for nothing and although that will effect a Very small part of the Hobby, The One person it is going to get hurt by all this is the Owner of QED, None of this will effect anyone else not in the slightest,

I was really interested in this machine but after reading all the Personal posts I have no interest in it what so ever, And I know that I am the only One,

Sorry to say It Guys but all this stuff will not effect any of the people you are aiming at One Bit, But it is going to seriously Hurt the Owner of QED in terms of Sales and his right to earn a Living.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Thursday February 2 2017 19:14:09 AEDT PM
I totally agree with Ridge Runner all off this he said she said needs to stop and get back on track of the QED that's what we are all interested in the detector not the BS going on thanks regards john


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 19:24:27 AEDT PM
  
I totally agree with Ridge Runner all off this he said she said needs to stop and get back on track of the QED that's what we are all interested in the detector not the BS going on thanks regards john

I will continue to expose untruths and lies with regard to the QED, myself, BW and others like Reg Wilson. When the lies stop I will stop! The lies have purely one purpose and that is to damage  the reputation of those involved with the QED and ultimately its sales!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday February 2 2017 19:51:52 AEDT PM
If you care to browse back through the years on Finders forum you will see that every new machine cops a beating from the "Rent a Crowd". The Garrett Infinium, the TDI, the Garrett ATX, none are spared. At the end of the day it's happy customers spreading the word that will make or break. Meanwhile, ignore the "Rent a Crowd", their connections and motives are obvious.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 2 2017 20:09:11 AEDT PM
The QED has a heck of a lot to offer But the only one you are hurting is the Owner of the QED, Although that is not your intentions that is what is you are doing, I am pretty sure that reg can take care of him self from what I have read,

The QED has so many great features and has been needed for a long time, And this and many other forums would benefit vastly by talking and sharing it's virtues instead of all this personal Baggage that seems to be in every thread, Because people will shy away from the QED and Detectorists Never forget, and they are taking all this on board, Just like they did with a certain US made machine and no one will touch that either,

All the personal stuff needs to be said via email and PM's, There is no way would I want to be responsible for QED's Failure or Lack of Sales, Not to mention the years that have already been invested in to building this machine,, Mr QED has far more to loose than we do and it is not fair on Him


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Thursday February 2 2017 20:12:24 AEDT PM
  
  
G'day members.
I've joined back after an absence and lost login details once I moved carriers. Anyway,  my old USERNAME was sd2200d Digger.
I tried to change it to that but it turned out to be sd220d digger.
I remember putting my name down for the QED for the first 100?
Congratulations Bugwhiskers on getting the QED to market, well done.


I would presume that unless you have contacted Dean at Goldsearch Australia and placed an order you won't be on any list Lee.

I'm sorry Lee, but are you Bugwhiskers to give an answer on his behalf. You must be his mate then I guess and so can answer for him. Thanks for the info.  ::503::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 2 2017 20:15:46 AEDT PM
  
If you care to browse back through the years on Finders forum you will see that every new machine cops a beating from the "Rent a Crowd". The Garrett Infinium, the TDI, the Garrett ATX, none are spared. At the end of the day it's happy customers spreading the word that will make or break. Meanwhile, ignore the "Rent a Crowd", their connections and motives are obvious.

Yeah but they are major players who have been in business for over 60-70 years and have the Capital to weather the Drought.

This is QED's first baby and it deserves to be given a fair crack of the whip, and all this Silliness is only going to do more harm than those who knock it ever could,


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 20:41:53 AEDT PM
  
  
If you care to browse back through the years on Finders forum you will see that every new machine cops a beating from the "Rent a Crowd". The Garrett Infinium, the TDI, the Garrett ATX, none are spared. At the end of the day it's happy customers spreading the word that will make or break. Meanwhile, ignore the "Rent a Crowd", their connections and motives are obvious.

Yeah but they are major players who have been in business for over 60-70 years and have the Capital to weather the Drought.

This is QED's first baby and it deserves to be given a fair crack of the whip, and all this Silliness is only going to do more harm than those who knock it ever could,

Those people that  have decided not to buy a QED on the basis of "personal stuff " were probably never going to buy one anyway!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Thursday February 2 2017 20:43:07 AEDT PM
  

Meanwhile, ignore the "Rent a Crowd", their connections and motives are obvious.


Best advices to everyone here.

Even, if all those verbal fight was for promo only, it has turned to its own negation.

Stay with technical, design, usability, coil compatibility, supply, testing, demo, ordering and other normal questions and debate, and without (on remote) personal billing.


Title: Re: QED update:should this thread be closed to guest? ie member only?
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 20:55:20 AEDT PM
Should this thread be closed to guests? ie registered member only? It then would starve the rent  a crowd of ammunition?
Thoughts
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 2 2017 21:04:33 AEDT PM
  
  

Meanwhile, ignore the "Rent a Crowd", their connections and motives are obvious.


Best advices to everyone here.

Even, if all those verbal fight was for promo only, it has turned to its own negation.

It's not their comments that are doing the Damage, It is the constant Verbal Attacks that are being made here, There is just no need for it and you don't see the major players or Forums carrying on like that So why do it here, Why are there pages and pages of nasty comments towards people,

I have watched all the videos hanging out to hear more and more about this machine and all we get is personal attacks, There is just no need for it and those mentioned are big enough and ugly enough to fend for them selves.

So people need drop all the personal stuff, Because it is Buggering the forum and it is doing damage Prior to the QED's release.


Title: Re: QED update:should this thread be closed to guest? ie member only?
Post by: WM6 on Thursday February 2 2017 21:08:20 AEDT PM
  
Should this thread be closed to guests? ie registered member only? It then would starve the rent  a crowd of ammunition?
Thoughts
doug ::419::

I think no.
We only need to avoid (and prevent) to all go personal.
It is a lot other normal questions and debate apart from constant verbal personal fight.
If someone on other forums go constant personal, it is on their own ethic - we do not need to imitate such behavior.


Title: Re: QED update:should this thread be closed to guest? ie member only?
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 2 2017 21:17:29 AEDT PM
  
Should this thread be closed to guests? ie registered member only? It then would starve the rent  a crowd of ammunition?
Thoughts
doug ::419::

NO, all it needs is all the Negitive comments to stop or be removed. Under normal circumstances the odd comment is to be expected but not like the excess as we see here, I have seen this type of thing destroy more than one forum.

The Focus should be on the QED not people after all this place is about detecting, If this keeps up it will drive people off and it will Hurt QED, It needs to stop Now.

The rest is up to you, It's your forum,  


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: kiwigoldhunter on Thursday February 2 2017 21:26:26 AEDT PM
Keep it open in my opinion and don't remove anything because some of us like the truth no matter how direct it comes across , but it is your forum .


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 2 2017 21:44:57 AEDT PM
  
Keep it open in my opinion and don't remove anything because some of us like the truth no matter how direct it comes across , but it is your forum .


It is the personal stuff that needs to Go, It is unrelated to detecting or detectors, But anything to do with regarding the machine needs to stay good or bad.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 22:01:40 AEDT PM
  
Keep it open in my opinion and don't remove anything because some of us like the truth no matter how direct it comes across , but it is your forum .

"some of us like the truth"
Thanks I won't remove anything at this stage and will keep the thread open for the time being.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 2 2017 22:32:02 AEDT PM
Well good luck, you'll need it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 2 2017 22:37:00 AEDT PM
  
Well good luck, you'll need it.

Thanks for your opinions! ::62:: The QED will go on and this is still the only forum where you can  get info from the person that designs and  builds it.
Unfortunately he often has little time to post because he is flat out trying to make them!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 2 2017 23:26:36 AEDT PM
Hope he has made 6 in the next batch


Title: Re: QED update:should this thread be closed to guest? ie member only?
Post by: Huego on Friday February 3 2017 13:21:58 AEDT PM
  

Should this thread be closed to guests? ie registered member only? It then would starve the rent  a crowd of ammunition?
Thoughts

doug ::419::

Sorry but I am away, as many know, so I cant give a considered reply. My intial thoughts

I will defend the QED & correct lies & misinformation (as Doug does) made by people & groups whenever I can. If Bugs (BW) is worried about loss of sales he can say so, my comments can then adjusted accordingly. But as there is no such concern the lies & liars will be exposed (named as liars) & their lies corrected as Doug & I do and have done for many years. I know BW is not troubled by loss of sales ... its keeping up with orders that more a concern. This forum remains as much about about ethics & honesty in the MD industry as about QED information.

So loss of QED sales is not an issue ... it has its own race to run & no luck is required just fact. Information is posted about it here or via testers or users as & when required without interference here (except when its wrong, uninformed or malicious).

I wonder if Ridgerunner or his cohorts belong to other forums (eg 1.5's) & does he ask them (his cohorts) to moderate their personal attacks on members here? Do you follow & accept the lies posted by denigrators? Do you wish to stop them or ignore them? THAT would reduce the need for our defence & explanation here, although I would miss the entertainment. (The forum is as much about entertanment & applying psychology for me.)

So, I suggest that you Ridgerunner seek a reduction in abusive personal attacks on those here & the QED (that unlikely) as that will see a complimentarty reduction is personal comment here. This battle (defence & explanation) has been waged for years.

Private comms or special in house comments can always be made here between friends & close forum members as they always have. I cant see a loss is closing to guests except page views (if they are important to you Doug).*

More later....

Cheers Huego  ::62::

* If closed to guests info can still be passed on via reliable members.

PS: The "personal stuff" is VERY MUCH related to the QED ... its related to lies & liars who post about the QED.


Title: Re: QED update:should this thread be closed to guest? ie member only?
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 3 2017 14:29:35 AEDT PM
  
  

Should this thread be closed to guests? ie registered member only? It then would starve the rent  a crowd of ammunition?
Thoughts

doug ::419::

Sorry but I am away, as many know, so I cant give a considered reply. My intial thoughts

I will defend the QED & correct lies & misinformation (as Doug does) made by people & groups whenever I can. If Bugs (BW) is worried about loss of sales he can say so, my comments can then adjusted accordingly. But as there is no such concern the lies & liars will be exposed (named as liars) & their lies corrected as Doug & I do and have done for many years. I know BW is not troubled by loss of sales ... its keeping up with orders that more a concern. This forum remains as much about about ethics & honesty in the MD industry as about QED information.

So loss of QED sales is not an issue ... it has its own race to run & no luck is required just fact. Information is posted about it here or via testers or users as & when required without interference here (except when its wrong, uninformed or malicious).

I wonder if Ridgerunner or his cohorts belong to other forums (eg 1.5's) & does he asks them (his cohorts) to moderate their personal attacks on members here? Do you follow & accept the lies posted by denigrators? Do you wish to stop them or ignore them? THAT would reduce the need for our defence and explanation here, although I would miss the entertainment. The forum is as much about entertanment & applying psychology for me.

So, I suggest that you seek a reduction in abusive personal attacks on those here & the QED (that unlikely) as that will see a complimentarty reduction is personal comment here. This battle (defence & explanation) has been waged for years.

Private comms or special in house comments can always be made here between friend & close forum members.

More later....

Cheers Huego  ::62::

If closed to guests info can still be passed on via reliable members.


Ok lets clear up a couple of your comments.

I don't have any Cohorts, Due to the fact that my views are normally very Blunt and to the point, and my comments here are Toned down because I want this machine to be given every chance possible, There is nothing I would like more than to really see this machine fly like the wind.

I would like nothing more than to see the QED take the world by storm, I love every thing about it although I would like a straight shaft option for when using bigger coils, But that I can take care of my self.

Also I don't even know who 1.5 is but someone from that forum took a screen shot of one of my posts here and posted it there, And Although I am not happy about it that is out of my control, And I only saw that post because someone sent me a link telling me about it and I never even knew that that forum existed until about 3am this morning, So Don't go calling any of them "My Cohorts" because I do NOT know anyone There. Just like I only know one member here that I recognise by Name Only OK.

Comments people have posted here are just wrong and there is no need for any of them, The Name Calling and lies being told has Nothing to do with the QED, Just Like the Lie's you have posted In your post about ME,

Again I do NOT know any of those people and they are NOT my Cohorts.

My comments have also been deleted from those 2 Forums, And In the past I have also been "BANNED" from those 2 forums Due to my comments, Yet I have No Axe to Grind with those involved, BUT I will not resort in to ripping in to those Involved with Hateful Comments.

My Goal is to get the QED and have a Ball. But not at the expense of others. and Not by moving the focal point from the QED to Victimizing people on other forums.

One (3 or 4) Important thing that I would like to bring to your Attention, and that is the Main market for this machine is Australia, Yes ?

1 ) Right well 4UMER has stopped posting such Threads about It,

2 ) and the Main Aussie Prospecting forum is keeping a very Tight Reign On things regarding this machine.

3 ) And that Forum where 1.5 hangs out is Ripping the A$$ out of this forum and the QED "And" the People Testing it.

4 ) And this is the most Important One,, This Forum is the Only Forum Left Where You Guys have Free Reign to Give the QED the "BEST" Possible Start,, Now you can Either waste that Time Accusing People Like "ME" of What they are NOT and Bagging everyone, or YOU can Shift the Balance In Favour of the QED,

The Choice is yours, But Remember that Mr QED ( what ever his name Is ) has years of his Life Invested In to this Machine that he Can't have Back, So You Guys are his Only Hope of Success. And How you Handle that decides whether all those thousands of hours were all for Nothing or NOT. Because what happens NOW is Down to YOU.

So lets see finds Video's, Settings and success stories and Help the Guy Out.

 


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Doug on Friday February 3 2017 15:56:50 AEDT PM
 Bw if you develop any software upgrades down the track for the QED will these be made available to any current QED users?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 3 2017 16:12:32 AEDT PM
  
Bw if you develop any software upgrades down the track for the QED will these be made available to any current QED users?
doug ::419::

Can or could the software be updated by the user or would that mean return to base so to speak ?

thanks.


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Doug on Friday February 3 2017 16:30:39 AEDT PM
  
  
Bw if you develop any software upgrades down the track for the QED will these be made available to any current QED users?
doug ::419::

Can or could the software be updated by the user or would that mean return to base so to speak ?

thanks.

Would have to be return to base. BW is the only one that can upload firmware to the micro.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 3 2017 17:03:22 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Bw if you develop any software upgrades down the track for the QED will these be made available to any current QED users?
doug ::419::

Can or could the software be updated by the user or would that mean return to base so to speak ?

thanks.

Would have to be return to base. BW is the only one that can upload firmware to the micro.
doug ::419::

Well personally I would prefer that because when ever I mess with electronics it never turns out well.


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Doug on Friday February 3 2017 17:06:56 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
Bw if you develop any software upgrades down the track for the QED will these be made available to any current QED users?
doug ::419::

Can or could the software be updated by the user or would that mean return to base so to speak ?

thanks.

Would have to be return to base. BW is the only one that can upload firmware to the micro.
doug ::419::

Well personally I would prefer that because when ever I mess with electronics it never turns out well.

Anyone that tries to either access or upload firmware to QED MC other than BW will lose ALL functionality of the QED.It will be dead!!!!!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Doug on Friday February 3 2017 17:28:49 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
Bw if you develop any software upgrades down the track for the QED will these be made available to any current QED users?
doug ::419::

Can or could the software be updated by the user or would that mean return to base so to speak ?

thanks.

Would have to be return to base. BW is the only one that can upload firmware to the micro.
doug ::419::

Well personally I would prefer that because when ever I mess with electronics it never turns out well.

Anyone that tries to either access or upload firmware to QED MC other than BW will lose ALL functionality of the QED.It will be dead!!!!!!!!
doug ::419::

If anyone was silly enough to  attempt to  try and remove the QED MC and replace it with their own MC and firmware they will also end up with a Totally DEAD QED!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Doug on Friday February 3 2017 17:31:12 AEDT PM
  
If anyone was silly enough to  attempt to  try and remove the QED MC and replace it with their own MC and firmware they will also end up with a Totally DEAD QED!
doug ::419::
Doing this would also of course void the QED warranty!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday February 3 2017 17:43:21 AEDT PM
  
  
If anyone was silly enough to  attempt to  try and remove the QED MC and replace it with their own MC and firmware they will also end up with a Totally DEAD QED!
doug ::419::
Doing this would also of course void the QED warranty!
doug ::419::

Updates are free during the warranty period.
The old software that appeared all over the Internet will NOT work in the current boards.


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 3 2017 17:44:03 AEDT PM
  
  
If anyone was silly enough to  attempt to  try and remove the QED MC and replace it with their own MC and firmware they will also end up with a Totally DEAD QED!
doug ::419::
Doing this would also of course void the QED warranty!
doug ::419::

What is an MC and what does it do ?


Title: Re: QED update:question on software upgrades
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday February 3 2017 17:50:25 AEDT PM
  
  
  
If anyone was silly enough to  attempt to  try and remove the QED MC and replace it with their own MC and firmware they will also end up with a Totally DEAD QED!
doug ::419::
Doing this would also of course void the QED warranty!
doug ::419::

What is an MC and what does it do ?

Micro Controller.
It's a 28 pin chip inside the detector that performs a great number of tasks thereby reducing the component count, board size and weight. The MC will only run a program that was designed for it. If an attempt is made to program the MC with a program that was written for another MC it will be rejected by the programming device.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday February 3 2017 18:03:41 AEDT PM
A list of the tasks performed by the 28 pin MC.
Comes alive if the on button is pressed
Reads the front panel push buttons for settings adjustment.
Drives the display screen.
Generates and regulates the negative voltage for the circuits including TX voltage.
Controls the timing of the transmit.
Controls the switching of the sampling.
Digitises the receive signal after the final gain stage.
Provides the PWM signal for the audio pitch and volume.
Turns the detector (including itself) off if the off button is pressed.
Without the MC the board would be perhaps 4 times the size and number of parts.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 3 2017 18:26:47 AEDT PM
  
A list of the tasks performed by the 28 pin MC.
Comes alive if the on button is pressed
Reads the front panel push buttons for settings adjustment.
Drives the display screen.
Generates and regulates the negative voltage for the circuits including TX voltage.
Controls the timing of the transmit.
Controls the switching of the sampling.
Digitises the receive signal after the final gain stage.
Provides the PWM signal for the audio pitch and volume.
Turns the detector (including itself) off if the off button is pressed.
Without the MC the board would be perhaps 4 times the size and number of parts.


Cool, Thanks for that, So it is a bit like the scart lead on my TV but it talks to the device that it is plugged in to ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Friday February 3 2017 22:41:12 AEDT PM
  

Without the MC the board would be perhaps 4 times the size and number of parts.



One man complete design lab (hardware, software + reality check).

Hat down - great achievement.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 3 2017 22:43:16 AEDT PM
  
  

Without the MC the board would be perhaps 4 times the size and number of parts.



One man complete design lab (hardware, software + reality check).

Hat down - great achievement.

You forgot the manufacturing as well! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Friday February 3 2017 22:48:12 AEDT PM
  
  
  

Without the MC the board would be perhaps 4 times the size and number of parts.



One man complete design lab (hardware, software + reality check).

Hat down - great achievement.

You forgot the manufacturing as well! ::62::
doug ::419::

Yes, and finally manufacturing too.

Compared with some other enthusiastic designer in past, which projects fail to survive crude reality, almost hard to believe.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: algore_rhythm on Saturday February 4 2017 02:39:43 AEDT AM
Hi all
After many months researching Gold detecting and becoming close to making a purchase choice i stumbled upon the few active forums about this topic in Australia. In particularly i chose this place to join as my preferred forum over the others mainly due to the constant threads of objectivity about all things metal detectors followed by the often harmless nonetheless satirical comments about the forums and there systematically blind abuse about a new innovative Australian Made detector called the QED.

I will suppose most other people here and other forums can differentiate between facts and fiction. I know i can and without predujice in this incidence. Now it happens for me i have never held a metal detector in my hand ever in my life yet i am very confident that the purchase i made about a week ago for my QED was a well informed thanks to All the forums but especially this one.

Bugs congratulations and i wish you lots of prosperity. Dean, thanks for your time on the phone and i am patiently looking forward to receiving my shipment, learning about this new prospecting tool and sharing the facts about my experiences as a newbie to the hobby here.

PS. Doug thanks for making me aware about the so called GOLD TAX! that i probably would have incurred had i not found out this on the forum.

Waiting patiently!!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday February 4 2017 16:34:11 AEDT PM
just went to the goldsearch site to print off a copy of the QED manual, and the QED info has been taken down, no pics, nothing!!!! Whats going on Doug, hope the info is just being updated?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday February 4 2017 17:04:40 AEDT PM
  
just went to the goldsearch site to print off a copy of the QED manual, and the QED info has been taken down, no pics, nothing!!!! Whats going on Doug, hope the info is just being updated?

The website is just being updated!Dean is working on it as we speak.Not sure when he will upload the updated info.He intended to complete it this afternon but has been busy taking out  some people to show the QED.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday February 4 2017 17:07:07 AEDT PM
 ::62:: beawdy, thanks Doug.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Saturday February 4 2017 17:09:39 AEDT PM
  
::62:: beawdy, thanks Doug.

Dean is also being held up waiting for a shipment of QED handles to clear customs.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Saturday February 4 2017 18:33:57 AEDT PM
  
just went to the goldsearch site to print off a copy of the QED manual, and the QED info has been taken down, no pics, nothing!!!! Whats going on Doug, hope the info is just being updated?

Dave, all their other items are still up there,, Maybe they forgot to pay their internet bill this month,lol


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Monday February 6 2017 10:21:35 AEDT AM
  Doug are you sure it is just the website being updated and waiting for shafts?  I hope your right.  Would hate to see the QED not being released by Dean at Gold Search.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 10:24:29 AEDT AM
  
  Doug are you sure it is just the website being updated and waiting for shafts?  I hope your right. 

As far as I know. You can  also buy the QED without the shafts.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Monday February 6 2017 11:26:36 AEDT AM
I'm happy to say my QED (complete) arrived this morning. Fully paid for.
Allowed a few weeks to pass for other believers to order first. Would not like them to miss out.
Doug, I could still use the C-fibre shafts from an old ML if I wished ... or do a YF & combine both!
Love to see the QED-PL in front of the old ML box.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 11:29:45 AEDT AM
  
I'm happy to say my QED (complete) arrived this morning. Fully paid for. Allowed a few weeks for other believers to order first.
I could still use the C-fibre shafts from an old ML if I wished ... or do a YF & combine both!
Love to see the QED-PL in front of the old ML box.

 ::62::

Look forward to some reports and user tips!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bubbazoo on Monday February 6 2017 17:57:39 AEDT PM
Now that Goldsearch don't seem to list the QED who is the dealer that will now have these units?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 18:34:14 AEDT PM
  
Now that Goldsearch don't seem to list the QED who is the dealer that will now have these units?

When i know more i will  post the info.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Monday February 6 2017 18:45:46 AEDT PM
bugs do it your self
set up a web site, QED , INTERFACION Pty Ltd
sell direct , no middle man ,no headache
more money in your pocket
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 20:14:17 AEDT PM
  
bugs do it your self
set up a web site, QED , INTERFACION Pty Ltd
sell direct , no middle man ,no headache
more money in your pocket
cheers red

Well I can tell you that Bugs is still making QED's as fast as he can so whatever happens anyone that wants one will still  be able to get one!The pro ML anti anything else rent a crowd detractors are not going to stop people getting a QED! The pro ML anti anything else rent a crowd detractors are failing miserably in their efforts to stop the QED! BW is not going to throw away years of work because of the efforts of the fanatical pro ML anti anything else rent a crowd who simply don't want a competitively priced, top performing ,lightweight, simple to use Pi detector proudly made in Ballarat Vic Australia to come onto the market!
doug ::419::

   


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Monday February 6 2017 20:47:23 AEDT PM
Well what ever happens .. best of luck to Bugs and his QED ..however he goes about it ..


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Monday February 6 2017 21:05:57 AEDT PM
  
  
bugs do it your self
set up a web site, QED , INTERFACION Pty Ltd
sell direct , no middle man ,no headache
more money in your pocket
cheers red

Well I can tell you that Bugs is still making QED's as fast as he can so whatever happens anyone that wants one will still  be able to get one!The pro ML anti anything else rent a crowd detractors are not going to stop people getting a QED! The pro ML anti anything else rent a crowd detractors are failing miserably in their efforts to stop the QED! BW is not going to throw away years of work because of the efforts of the fanatical pro ML anti anything else rent a crowd who simply don't want a competitively priced, top performing ,lightweight, simple to use Pi detector proudly made in Ballarat Vic Australia to come onto the market!
doug ::419::


It's not about the ML anti anything, There is room in the market for any machine that does the job, The blame has nothing to do with ML, And having a dig at ML owners because they don't believe the claims made by QED users is crazy, For a simple reason, and that is How can anyone make a judgement on a product that has not been fully released yet, If you keep taking shots at them then you will loose because there are far more ML users in the world than there are QED users, So you need to give the QED a chance to grow first and let the results come in, Another thing to remember is that every machine that has hit the market gets compared to a certain ML machine whether it a VLF or PI and most have either failed or come close, So such claims via QED users is nothing new to Minelab Owners and the results are often the same, So ML users are bound to be chomping at the bit, As long as you keep taking a shot at them and Name calling then you can expect nothing else from them, Focus on the QED and forget all other brands, The only important thing to you guys is the QED and nothing else matters.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Monday February 6 2017 21:38:52 AEDT PM
Doug now I hear there is a problem with the GST and who should pay it.  Is this true?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: algore_rhythm on Monday February 6 2017 22:08:23 AEDT PM
Somewhere i read that "an unjust criticism is nothing less than a compliment in disguise."

I can recall around 25 years ago when i was involved in the music industry and the industry standard for record players/Turntable was a Technics SL1200 when all these different turntables appeared in the marketplace as a replacement for the still lengedary Technics to which these manufacturers claimed their new product would supersede it, give a better performance for the artist and would replace the then current standard.  25 years on and all of those other products and their claims proved zilch and no longer exist but it was still terrific to see other innovators have a go!

What i have observed since lurking around all the forums (4 weeks) and before joining here is that the QED does have the potential to shake up the MD marketplace from a pricing point as the QED is less than half the price of the GPX models and has credibility due to its creator (Bugs & Co) already being known as a stalwart in the Australian MD community and noticing all the trials and tribulations that have had to be overcome to reach this point where sales have commenced then to add more credibilty to the QED proposition was to read the testimonial(s) from another stalwart (R.Wilson) about his and Wombats observations.

Now unless i have misread anything incorrectly, there is no other objection i could find that would forbid me to go ahead and purchase a QED. I have, i am waiting patiently and when it arrives (hopefully very soon) i will do all i can to suck up as much information about how to use it and as i stated in an earlier post about never holding a MD in my hand before i am sure from a marketing point of view it might be interesting to other newbies who are contemplating this hobby what results i can share to help them make an informed choice too.

To my slight advantage i have used devices that have had Bias/Gain knobs and other buttons before but i kind of feel confident that here on this forum are a bunch of very talented people who have a passion for this subject and would be comfortable about helping out a newbie with even tit-bits of good advice so i am grateful to be here and look forward to getting to know you people a little better.

PS. i will be looking at buying a good pin-pointer and an external speaker so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Kind Regards

AL  


" If you ever see a racehorse named 'Self-Interest' make sure you back it because i know from experience that self interested types will be tryers" - Unknown


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 23:30:10 AEDT PM
  
Doug now I hear there is a problem with the GST and who should pay it.  Is this true?

I am not privy to the commercial arrangements.
Check finders forum for more info from YF
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Monday February 6 2017 23:39:58 AEDT PM
Doug is it alright if I use your compare chart,

Thanks mate.


Title: Re: QED update:I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 23:41:56 AEDT PM
Reg Wilson
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:05 pm
“-----I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations, and I found the response to these small colours at depth beyond anything I have discovered with any other machine”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
Another user has already paid for his QED with gold found!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 23:43:14 AEDT PM
  
Doug is it alright if I use your compare chart,

Thanks mate.

I see you have already. Its OK but ask  first next time! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations
Post by: Ridge Runner on Monday February 6 2017 23:44:58 AEDT PM
  
Reg Wilson
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:05 pm
“-----I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations, and I found the response to these small colours at depth beyond anything I have discovered with any other machine”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
Another user has already paid for his QED with gold found!
doug ::419::

Well he's gotta be happy with that, It's only a matter of time.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Monday February 6 2017 23:48:14 AEDT PM
  
  
Doug is it alright if I use your compare chart,

Thanks mate.

I see you have already. Its OK but ask  first next time! ::62::
doug ::419::

Yeah sorry about that, I did it then could not remove it so one of the gentlemen took it down and saved the day,

Again I do apologize,


Title: Re: QED update:I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations
Post by: Doug on Monday February 6 2017 23:53:43 AEDT PM
  
  
Reg Wilson
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:05 pm
“-----I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations, and I found the response to these small colours at depth beyond anything I have discovered with any other machine”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
Another user has already paid for his QED with gold found!
doug ::419::

Well he's gotta be happy with that, It's only a matter of time.

Their was a post on 4umer from JRbeatty("Tiny gold from the little beast") with some pictures of the gold that the QED found but it appears to have been deleted.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 00:02:36 AEDT AM
  
  
  
Reg Wilson
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:05 pm
“-----I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations, and I found the response to these small colours at depth beyond anything I have discovered with any other machine”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
Another user has already paid for his QED with gold found!
doug ::419::

Well he's gotta be happy with that, It's only a matter of time.

Their was a post on 4umer from JRbeatty("Tiny gold from the little beast") with some pictures of the gold that the QED found but it appears to have been deleted.
doug ::419::

Here is a portion(SC) of the post. I would link to the post if it still exists!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations
Post by: Ridge Runner on Tuesday February 7 2017 00:03:12 AEDT AM
  
  
  
Reg Wilson
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:05 pm
“-----I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations, and I found the response to these small colours at depth beyond anything I have discovered with any other machine”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
Another user has already paid for his QED with gold found!
doug ::419::

Well he's gotta be happy with that, It's only a matter of time.

Their was a post on 4umer from JRbeatty("Tiny gold from the little beast") with some pictures of the gold that the QED found but it appears to have been deleted.
doug ::419::

I saw those pictures, JR has some serious Camera Skills,


Title: Re: QED update:I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 00:05:28 AEDT AM
  
  
  
  
Reg Wilson
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:05 pm
“-----I have to say that the QED performs beyond my expectations, and I found the response to these small colours at depth beyond anything I have discovered with any other machine”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=885&sid=39b6d0e4be5f605e4c03704076a01590
Another user has already paid for his QED with gold found!
doug ::419::

Well he's gotta be happy with that, It's only a matter of time.

Their was a post on 4umer from JRbeatty("Tiny gold from the little beast") with some pictures of the gold that the QED found but it appears to have been deleted.
doug ::419::

I saw those pictures, JR has some serious Camera Skills,

Can you find a link for the post?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Tuesday February 7 2017 00:16:09 AEDT AM
I think they just got moved to the correct board,

Here ya go, Try this.

http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844-members-gold-album


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 00:21:09 AEDT AM
  
I think they just got moved to the correct board,

Here ya go, Try this.

http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844-members-gold-album
Link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844-members-gold-album

Thanks.My apologies to 4umer for suggesting the post had been deleted! ::700:: ::75:: I have been away from the PC for some time and i was only sent the SC without the link and then with a quick perusal could not find the post.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Tuesday February 7 2017 00:25:03 AEDT AM
Lol, I posted on it and Lost it,

Oh the shame of it, computers are not my forte, lol.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 16:12:54 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Doug is it alright if I use your compare chart,

Thanks mate.

I see you have already. Its OK but ask  first next time! ::62::
doug ::419::

Yeah sorry about that, I did it then could not remove it so one of the gentlemen took it down and saved the day,

Again I do apologize,

The compare chart was done with ALL the targets placed on mineralized ground and the detector Gb over the ground.That is why the settings were as they were with some of the other detectors.The settings were what would be typically used over this ground to get  reasonably smooth operation ie minimal ground noise.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Tuesday February 7 2017 17:34:38 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
Doug is it alright if I use your compare chart,

Thanks mate.

I see you have already. Its OK but ask  first next time! ::62::
doug ::419::



Yeah sorry about that, I did it then could not remove it so one of the gentlemen took it down and saved the day,

Again I do apologize,

The compare chart was done with ALL the targets placed on mineralized ground and the detector Gb over the ground.That is why the settings were as they were with some of the other detectors.The settings were what would be typically used over this ground to get  reasonably smooth operation ie minimal ground noise.
doug ::419::

Would you like me to copy your text and post it there ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 17:43:05 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
Doug is it alright if I use your compare chart,

Thanks mate.

I see you have already. Its OK but ask  first next time! ::62::
doug ::419::



Yeah sorry about that, I did it then could not remove it so one of the gentlemen took it down and saved the day,

Again I do apologize,

The compare chart was done with ALL the targets placed on mineralized ground and the detector Gb over the ground.That is why the settings were as they were with some of the other detectors.The settings were what would be typically used over this ground to get  reasonably smooth operation ie minimal ground noise.
doug ::419::

Would you like me to copy your text and post it there ?

That's fine!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Tuesday February 7 2017 17:43:56 AEDT PM
It looks like Eski has taken care of it,


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Tuesday February 7 2017 17:46:22 AEDT PM
Eski pointed out that the machines were set up as you would use them under field conditions and not just set up to provide maximum power,


Title: Re: QED update:more QED gold!
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 18:22:11 AEDT PM
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:more QED gold!
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 20:27:04 AEDT PM
  
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
doug ::419::

I suggest that folk grab the latest pictures of QED  gold found today  because they may be about to disappear! ::02::  ::35:::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:more QED gold!
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 7 2017 21:12:10 AEDT PM
  
  
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
doug



I suggest that folk grab the latest pictures of QED  gold found today  because they may be about to disappear!
doug


This (above) is one of 2 forums (at least) thats DOWN &has been for some hours ... presumably locked up while the managers / admins confer about some matter of importance.

The other forum thats down is http://www.australiangolddetecting.com  I suggest for same reason. Fascinating!

PS: Maybe Telstra problems (fine next day!)   It could be the region I live in as problems have been experienced by others near here too.  




Title: Re: QED update:more QED gold!
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 21:58:01 AEDT PM
  
  
  
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
doug ::419::

I suggest that folk grab the latest pictures of QED  gold found today  because they may be about to disappear! ::02::  ::35:::
doug ::419::

This is one of 2 forums (at least) thats DOWN and has been for some hours ... presumably locked up while the managers / admins confer about some matter of importance.

The other forum thats down is http://www.australiangolddetecting.com  I suggest for same reason.

Fascinating


This forum has been down a few times today as well, fortunately not for long.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:more QED gold!
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 22:22:06 AEDT PM
  
  
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
doug ::419::

I suggest that folk grab the latest pictures of QED  gold found today  because they may be about to disappear! ::02::  ::35:::
doug ::419::

As i predicted the posts and the pictures appear to have have GONE at least for guests.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:more QED gold!
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 22:28:38 AEDT PM
  
  
  
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
link-http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
doug ::419::

I suggest that folk grab the latest pictures of QED  gold found today  because they may be about to disappear! ::02::  ::35:::
doug ::419::

As i predicted the posts and the pictures appear to have have GONE at least for guests.
doug ::419::

When you click on  http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24844p30-members-gold-album
This is what you get now!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Positives!
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 7 2017 22:31:40 AEDT PM
Oh well..... I guess some don't want to know the facts..... I bet most do though!

Poor Reg has been banned for the truth he posts. Why would he post anything else?

His mate JR Beatey (on Finders) says....

"...., for those interested, these lightweight little rippers work well as a prospecting tool, at a fraction of the cost of most other detectors. In spite of all rumors to the contrary, they ground balance well and the faint threshold variation is ideal for locating extra deep targets. Having said that, I believe experienced prospectors, not first timers, will adapt best to this detector. "

Pretty good endorsement in my books.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update- More Positives!
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 7 2017 23:03:33 AEDT PM
Poor Reg has been banned for the truth he posts. Why would he post anything else?

Reg (on Finders) says ....

"..., For those who can master it, they will be using a very fast reacting, highly responsive, and deep penetrating machine. "

More good endorsement in my books, on top of that from JRB and YF.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 7 2017 23:07:35 AEDT PM
 The album is back but Reg and Jrbeatty have been banned and their posts removed.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Wednesday February 8 2017 11:21:29 AEDT AM
cant see my last post strange...


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 8 2017 11:26:28 AEDT AM
  
cant see my last post strange...
On this forum or 4umer? If its 4umer any  posts about the QED or  even indirectly mentioning it  instantly get deleted.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Wednesday February 8 2017 11:53:47 AEDT AM
  
  
cant see my last post strange...
On this forum or 4umer? If its 4umer any  posts about the QED or  even indirectly mentioning it  instantly get deleted.
doug ::419::

ye this one Doug .. do you have swear filters in ..  only said     b  u   g   a     :-)

and it keeps coming up with this ... even thou I didnt post   :-(


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Wednesday February 8 2017 11:55:30 AEDT AM
you have to wait 60 mins before next post ... or something similar

when i had not hit the post button


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 8 2017 12:11:20 AEDT PM
  
  
  
cant see my last post strange...
On this forum or 4umer? If its 4umer any  posts about the QED or  even indirectly mentioning it  instantly get deleted.
doug ::419::

ye this one Doug .. do you have swear filters in ..  only said     b  u   g   a     :-)

and it keeps coming up with this ... even thou I didnt post   :-(


Yes forum has  some swear filters. ::62:: The post delay is set up so that if a spammer happens to get through they can't flood the forum with hundreds of posts in a very short time.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Back on Goldsearch
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 8 2017 17:08:55 AEDT PM
Dean at Goldsearch has finished updating their QED page on their webpage

http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/our-products/interfacion-s-detectors/qed.html
link-http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/our-products/interfacion-s-detectors/qed.html

Allows buyers to make better individual item selection for OPTIONS YOU want etc

 ::62::

PS: Some prices may have been adjusted ("adapted & arranged") for the purposes of taxation, not a "gold tax" but a goods tax called GST (helping our economy)


Title: Re: QED update- Hire before you Buy?
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 8 2017 20:06:24 AEDT PM
Hire a QED before you buy?

Hmmm ... don't think so from my experience (or from comments from experts like Reg & JRB* & few others) who have taken a while ie a few days / weeks to adjust to getting the best from the QED. It looks simple (with few controls) but knowing the what, how and why under variable conditions prospecting sites etc still takes some practice.

You wouldnt want to get the wrong idea about the QED, & not appreciate its full potential, would you?
You might miss gold, small & large.

Just my views, others may think differently.

 ::62::

*"I believe experienced prospectors, not first timers, will adapt best to this detector." (JRB)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 8 2017 20:13:03 AEDT PM
So why not post all the Gold here in stead, where you have free reign, Why post it in places where you know that some posts may not be well received,

Promote the machine not the hurdles you come up against, You have a nice page over on GS so Build on it and let it Grow, and enjoy.


Title: Re: QED update - Testing & Reporting
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 8 2017 21:55:37 AEDT PM
Someone asked why "Regs posts are everywhere but the home of the qed ,dougs forum ….. Seems strange."

We cop enough flack as it is. We're not pissing in anybodys pockets, (JRB)

...and may I suggest the obvious, if they are independent owners testing a QED at arms length (well removed from the biases to the QED here) then posting anywhere & everywhere is best…. but you know what? Some forums & their mods apper to be biased against the QED even while there is intense interest into such new & emergying MDs, especially if they show up their idols!  Read what you wish into that. The clues are there.

Meanwhile, these 2 + 2 others post where they can, honestly & openly. They don't do their reports for us (on this forum) but for the BENEFIT of BUYERS & PROSPECTORS ... good for them! Thanks guys!

 ::62::

PS: Keeping watching GS for testimonials

PPS: Latest message from JRB  confirms my suggestions why they don't post here ie maintaining "arms length reporting".... sensible!

"...we realised that it would appear (to cynical observers) that we had a vested interest in promoting the QED, which we don't." (JRB)


Title: Re: QED update- Hire before you Buy?
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 8 2017 22:04:20 AEDT PM
  
Hire a QED before you buy?
I guess this is a decision for Dean to make.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Hire before you Buy?
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 8 2017 22:42:49 AEDT PM
  
  

Hire a QED before you buy?


I guess this is a decision for Dean to make.
doug



Yes, agree that it is Doug .... IF it needs a hire-out to help it sell.... I dont think it will.

Alternatively interested buyers can borrow or use one with prospecting mate using a 5000 a 7000 and then decide if they want one of their own. Too few out there now and demand outstrips supply. Do your own comparos is most convincing when in the hands of someone who knows its potential.

Watch out for more reports on Finders from an unexpected new tester / dealer ::419::

PS: Hey, even Inhere gets it!!



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 8 2017 22:57:50 AEDT PM
I think this is the prefect place where like minded people can share info without straying to far off the topic,



Title: Re: QED update- Hire before you Buy?
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 8 2017 23:32:20 AEDT PM
  
Watch out for more reports on Finders from an unexpected new tester / dealer ::419::

The QED I expect is going to shortly get a very big dump from a well known ML dealer.It will i suspect provoke one of the biggest forum punch ups we have seen for some time between this well known dealer and some other successful  QED users. Be interesting to see  which forums  the dump is posted on!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Wednesday February 8 2017 23:59:13 AEDT PM
Crickey $2250 now for one with the lot


Title: Re: QED update - the future?
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 00:18:30 AEDT AM
  
  

Watch out for more reports on Finders from an unexpected new tester / dealer


The QED I expect is going to shortly get a very big dump from a well known ML dealer.It will i suspect provoke one of the biggest forum punch ups we have seen for some time between this well known dealer and some other successful QED users. Be interesting to see  which forums  the dump is posted on!
doug



Thats what I was referring to. Even LM picked it as he's in the know (wink).
If that Q dealer is honest & gives the QED a good workout with an open mind (as he said he would) it will be interesting to read what he says, even if its provocative & inflaming to the old hands. Can he get out of the ML mindset is the question? Lets keep our posts positive.

 ::62::

PS: I suggested that BW should post a message inside for ML engineers  ::620::
I see YF is onto it!  sharp as a tack!


Title: Re: QED update- Hire before you Buy?
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 00:45:34 AEDT AM
  
  
Watch out for more reports on Finders from an unexpected new tester / dealer ::419::

The QED I expect is going to shortly get a very big dump from a well known ML dealer.It will i suspect provoke one of the biggest forum punch ups we have seen for some time between this well known dealer and some other successful  QED users. Be interesting to see  which forums  the dump is posted on!
doug ::419::

Well Doug I would not worry until it happens, I can't see any of the larger forums letting it get out of hand, All this is stupid, the only machine it has to compete with is other QED's, Nothing else matters. and other dealers or QED testers should just worry about their own success.


Title: Re: QED update - the future?
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 00:56:41 AEDT AM

PS: I suggested that BW should post a message inside for ML engineers  ::620::
[/quote]

I don't know why you would suggest such a thing, That would not help at all, I know you are joking around but the reality is it is pointless trying to take on such a company with unlimited resources with the Staff to match,


Title: Re: QED update - the future?
Post by: BILLY on Thursday February 9 2017 05:04:31 AEDT AM
  

PS: I suggested that BW should post a message inside for ML engineers  ::620::

I don't know why you would suggest such a thing, That would not help at all, I know you are joking around but the reality is it is pointless trying to take on such a company with unlimited resources with the Staff to match,
[/quote]

  Doug or Bugwhiskers is not a bit afraid of Minelab.  If you do not believe me, ask them.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Thursday February 9 2017 07:57:26 AEDT AM
i know  ::69::
maybe bugs could paint the circuit board purple
no thats cadbury colors dont want to go down that path ,lol
hey maybe gold
because its a cool machine ,
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday February 9 2017 10:51:20 AEDT AM
I don't see any point in "brand bickering". Ultimately it's consumers who decide the winner and it's based on price, performance, reliability, ergonomics etc. That is exactly how it should be, a form of natural selection/evolution.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 11:50:23 AEDT AM
  

I don't see any point in "brand bickering".
Ultimately it's consumers who decide the winner and it's based on price, performance, reliability, ergonomics etc.
That is exactly how it should be, a form of natural selection/evolution.



100% agree with you BW.

There is also something called "brand loyalty" a powerful emotive force. More subjective than measurable factors.
I like the allusion to natural selection/evolution

How about the next model of QED make a link to these? PL would like it.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 12:02:44 AEDT PM
  
  

I don't see any point in "brand bickering".
Ultimately it's consumers who decide the winner and it's based on price, performance, reliability, ergonomics etc.
That is exactly how it should be, a form of natural selection/evolution.



100% agree with you BW.

There is also something called "brand loyalty" a powerful emotive force. More subjective than measurable factors.
I like the allusion to natural selection/evolution

How about the next model of QED make a link to these? PL would like it.

 ::62::

 
Its a pity to see Reg and JRB are not considered by some to be credible people to post their QED results when both are probably the most experienced detector users in Australia.Remember that both were part of the "12 apostles"  that tested the ML's early detectors  and particularly the SD2000. Reg has found 10 nuggets over  10 oz and one 96 oz. And he tells it like it is warts and all.He also like JRB has no vested interest in the QED other than finding out if it is a worthwhile and useful addition to their prospecting arsenal and can find gold over typical goldfield ground.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 12:13:05 AEDT PM
“Like all new releases It still needs work”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=10
Ridge runner what work does the QED need?
What is your basis for this claim?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: authere on Thursday February 9 2017 13:36:38 AEDT PM
Hey B/W,

How many machines have you put out there, Dean reckons I was the 14 on the list then 5 , the reason I'm asking you is that I seem to be getting the runaround from Dean

And what voltage does the QED actually reguire after regulation, I see that the 12aa pack would be at 14.4v but usage would be lower so I wondered if the M/L battery pack would work and I also have a spare SD battery pack that I thought might work

Ron


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 13:45:25 AEDT PM
  
Hey B/W,

How many machines have you put out there, Dean reckons I was the 14 on the list then 5 , the reason I'm asking you is that I seem to be getting the runaround from Dean

And what voltage does the QED actually reguire after regulation, I see that the 12aa pack would be at 14.4v but usage would be lower so I wondered if the M/L battery pack would work and I also have a spare SD battery pack that I thought might work

Ron

Bw has forwarded this post to Dean.When BW takes a break from assembling the next few QED's he will respond to the voltage question.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday February 9 2017 13:51:20 AEDT PM
  
Hey B/W,

How many machines have you put out there, Dean reckons I was the 14 on the list then 5 , the reason I'm asking you is that I seem to be getting the runaround from Dean

And what voltage does the QED actually reguire after regulation, I see that the 12aa pack would be at 14.4v but usage would be lower so I wondered if the M/L battery pack would work and I also have a spare SD battery pack that I thought might work

Ron

It is bedlam Ron with 14 hour days, 7 days a week being the norm.
Dean will no doubt contact you re your issue.

The QED needs from slightly above 6 volts to a max of 10 volts. Auto shutdown occurs at 6v to protect cells.
The QED battery pack has 2 parallel sets of 6 batteries in series yielding nominally 7.2v
If your batteries meet those specs then all is fine.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 13:55:47 AEDT PM
  
I don't see any point in "brand bickering". Ultimately it's consumers who decide the winner and it's based on price, performance, reliability, ergonomics etc. That is exactly how it should be, a form of natural selection/evolution.

BW that has been my point all along, Although it is untested by strangers to the brand it deserves to be given a chance and not tainted by all the arguing and all the other stuff, That is the thing that is wearing thin with me and because of it we are missing out on so much Info because of all the heated comments on forums,

I can't enjoy the topic because that undercurrent is over powering


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 14:05:32 AEDT PM
  
“Like all new releases It still needs work”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=10
Ridge runner what work does the QED need?
What is your basis for this claim?
doug ::419::

Mate I am not posting that On a public forum, because it is between Howard and those involved, There is enough rumours going about, I don't need to add to the list, hell all the arguing is enough we don't need any more fuel on the fire.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday February 9 2017 14:32:49 AEDT PM
Because the 4UMER "Puppeteers" won't permit discussion........

http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/index.php/customer-testimonial-qed01







Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 14:48:45 AEDT PM
  
  
“Like all new releases It still needs work”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=10
Ridge runner what work does the QED need?
What is your basis for this claim?
doug ::419::

Mate I am not posting that On a public forum, because it is between Howard and those involved, There is enough rumours going about, I don't need to add to the list, hell all the arguing is enough we don't need any more fuel on the fire.

So we are talking 2 different ridge runners? ::72::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 14:52:27 AEDT PM
The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 14:55:18 AEDT PM
  
  
  
“Like all new releases It still needs work”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=10
Ridge runner what work does the QED need?
What is your basis for this claim?
doug ::419::

Mate I am not posting that On a public forum, because it is between Howard and those involved, There is enough rumours going about, I don't need to add to the list, hell all the arguing is enough we don't need any more fuel on the fire.

So we are talking 2 different ridge runners? ::72::
doug ::419::

No you are Not.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 15:00:57 AEDT PM
  
The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.

How can you say this? Was this picture ever posted on 4 umer? The point is that you cannot substantiate your claim on the basis of what was previously posted.
under the photo it says:"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far." Do you dispute this?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 15:04:22 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
“Like all new releases It still needs work”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=10
Ridge runner what work does the QED need?
What is your basis for this claim?
doug ::419::

Mate I am not posting that On a public forum, because it is between Howard and those involved, There is enough rumours going about, I don't need to add to the list, hell all the arguing is enough we don't need any more fuel on the fire.

So we are talking 2 different ridge runners? ::72::
doug ::419::

No you are Not.

So do you agree with this statement and if so why? “Like all new releases It still needs work”
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 15:09:07 AEDT PM
  
  
The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.

How can you say this? Was this picture ever posted on 4 umer? The point is that you cannot substantiate your claim on the basis of what was previously posted.
doug ::419::

Doug, You and I both know that jrb and reg posted the pictures of the gold and Stated what machines they used on 4umer Before the pictures and posts were taken down. Not my Words But Theres, Ok

because I even had a conversation with jr about the camera he was using.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 15:11:20 AEDT PM
  
  
  
The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.

How can you say this? Was this picture ever posted on 4 umer? The point is that you cannot substantiate your claim on the basis of what was previously posted.
doug ::419::

Doug, You and I both know that jrb and reg posted the pictures of the gold and Stated what machines they used on 4umer Before the pictures and posts were taken down. Not my Words But Theres, Ok

because I even had a conversation with jr about the camera he was using.

You are avoiding answering the question
"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far." Do you dispute this? yes or no?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 15:14:43 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
“Like all new releases It still needs work”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=10
Ridge runner what work does the QED need?
What is your basis for this claim?
doug ::419::

Mate I am not posting that On a public forum, because it is between Howard and those involved, There is enough rumours going about, I don't need to add to the list, hell all the arguing is enough we don't need any more fuel on the fire.

So we are talking 2 different ridge runners? ::72::
doug ::419::

No you are Not.

So do you agree with this statement and if so why? “Like all new releases It still needs work”
doug ::419::

Yes I do agree with it, and if you want to know ask Howard,  I told you before that I am not posting it on a forum.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 15:19:15 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.

How can you say this? Was this picture ever posted on 4 umer? The point is that you cannot substantiate your claim on the basis of what was previously posted.
doug ::419::



Doug, You and I both know that jrb and reg posted the pictures of the gold and Stated what machines they used on 4umer Before the pictures and posts were taken down. Not my Words But Theres, Ok

because I even had a conversation with jr about the camera he was using.

You are avoiding answering the question
"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far." Do you dispute this? yes or no?
doug ::419::

According to Jrb half the gold was found by him using a GPX 5000 and the other Half was found by reg with his qed,

His words not Mine.  

If you have a problem with that then Ask him why he Posted it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: authere on Thursday February 9 2017 15:23:10 AEDT PM
Hi B/W,

Thanks for the quick reply, I will recheck with Dean later and I see that even the GPX5000's battery would suite the QED running at 8.4v also my old SD battery

Cheers,Ron


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 15:23:54 AEDT PM
  
Yes I do agree with it, and if you want to know ask Howard,  I told you before that I am not posting it on a forum.

Why not?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 15:27:12 AEDT PM
  

Because the 4UMER "Puppeteers" won't permit discussion........

http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/index.php/customer-testimonial-qed01



Want to see what some here are like? (lies & flaming included) see posts on QED on Prospecting Australia : https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=11.

That includes the BW link to GS but changing what Reg posted on GS about the QED, crediting a GPX!  

There is nothing more sickening than feigned expressions of care as we've seen. Its abuse in a different form (sugar-coated), yet its as unsavoury as it is obvious.

I'm pleased to see members, who have been caught up, have seen through (or exposed him) & some mods too can see what they are trying to do ... peddle the status quo & defend the indefensible … ie by who they attack & what they question.

 There is a new day dawning for prospectors if they want to take it up, Stay positive!

Referring to testers as “windbags" because they give favourable reports is unaceptable to most moderate mods except perhaps one or two we all know now. Most mods incl those here, try to keep this thread (on QED) civil yet revealing. I was delighted to read that some won't stand for such personal attacks.

Perhaps mods should ask themselves: who is inflaming their members on their forums & who is reporting or keeping an open mind about the QED? and ...why is he or she feigning or flaming? You will see diversions used on forums too.

Its clear to me why…. its aimed to close down discussion…. not open it for truth & knowledge about such new technology. Its aimed to close down any positive commentary or discussion of results.
(Keep the independent testers out of it, they are just messengers of good news!)

If this QED is NOT as good as is said, why are some attacking it, banning posters, & deleting posts? WHY?

 ::62::
(watch him fly)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 15:28:09 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.

How can you say this? Was this picture ever posted on 4 umer? The point is that you cannot substantiate your claim on the basis of what was previously posted.
doug ::419::



Doug, You and I both know that jrb and reg posted the pictures of the gold and Stated what machines they used on 4umer Before the pictures and posts were taken down. Not my Words But Theres, Ok

because I even had a conversation with jr about the camera he was using.

You are avoiding answering the question
"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far." Do you dispute this? yes or no?
doug ::419::

According to Jrb half the gold was found by him using a GPX 5000 and the other Half was found by reg with his qed,

His words not Mine.  

If you have a problem with that then Ask him why he Posted it.

Ok lets try again under the photo it says "Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far."
Now do you believe this  to be a true statement? yes or no?
should be simple!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: another 47 grams with the QED's!
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 15:44:15 AEDT PM
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: another 47 grams with the QED's!
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 16:00:24 AEDT PM
  

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975
doug


WHERE"S THE GOLD?? Look, see for yourself! There ya go. More coming so dont loose interest

Wow! ... that's good going for 1-2 mornings with them both using the QED   ::402::

I see over 47 grams on the scales of what I call shotty gold..

"....the majority were found surprisingly deep." (RW)
"....too deep for an SDC to find!" (JRB)

Just saying what I see & it still looks good (for the QED).

 ::62::
(believe it or not)

Quoting JRB ... "My beloved old 5000 has not been used on this project since, and is now a spare. "    .... SAD (what did we once say?)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 16:34:35 AEDT PM

New users like Dave in NT will post their findings soon enough. He can do comparos against his mates MD ... that would be welcome, but remember they have used theirs for a long time while your "ball breaker" is new to you!

Dave may take a while to adjust to its different settings & sounds.
Because he's smarter than average, he will, & he can always contact BW for tips on how to set it up. Once mastered its EASY AS pick it up & go with only minor tweek necessary to maximise performance.

Keep an open mind & stay positive Dave! Say "g'dai" to Chris & give him a swing. Remind him what he called it when you find gold.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 16:56:28 AEDT PM
  
  
  

The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.


How can you say this? Was this picture ever posted on 4 umer? The point is that you cannot substantiate your claim on the basis of what was previously posted.
doug


Doug, You and I both know that jrb and reg posted the pictures of the gold and Stated what machines they used on 4umer Before the pictures and posts were taken down. Not my Words But Theres, Ok

because I even had a conversation with jr about the camera he was using.



Well its been clarified on Finders

NOT half found with a 5000 ... see below:

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975

So maybe a retraction & correction should be made .... (if you like the truth)
oh, include new pic of 47 g Au found since with the QED .... . (if you like the truth)
& how the poor 5000 is now a backup there to the QED (RJB, refer to the above) (thats a sad fact!)

Stay Positive!
 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday February 9 2017 17:53:47 AEDT PM
The following info will soon be inserted into the manual.

The 2 threshold adjustments call VOLUME and BIAS are used to adjust an offset voltage presented to the audio circuit. The device that feeds off this voltage is extremely sensitive which is why an adjustment of just one count on the bias has such a big impact. This ultra sensitive device is also sensitive to temperature. As the detector warms up the bias will need to be adjusted until the internal temperature stabilises or if the outside temperature rises considerably. Because all settings are remembered at switch off the BIAS adjustment will need to be re-adjusted when the detector is turned back on after a break in detecting.


Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 19:24:00 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  

The trouble with them posting that on Goldsearch Australia is that half of it was found by Jr using a GPX 5000, I did read and post on that thread before it got taken down.


How can you say this? Was this picture ever posted on 4 umer? The point is that you cannot substantiate your claim on the basis of what was previously posted.
doug


Doug, You and I both know that jrb and reg posted the pictures of the gold and Stated what machines they used on 4umer Before the pictures and posts were taken down. Not my Words But Theres, Ok

because I even had a conversation with jr about the camera he was using.



Well its been clarified on Finders

NOT half found with a 5000 ... see below:

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=975

So maybe a retraction & correction should be made .... (if you like the truth)
oh, include new pic of 47 g Au found since with the QED .... . (if you like the truth)
& how the poor 5000 is now a backup there to the QED (RJB, refer to the above) (thats a sad fact!)

Stay Positive!
 ::62::

It does not matter what you say, The fact remains that jrb  Posted on 4umer that half the gold was found with his 5000 and if it is not true then why did he post it, what I am telling you is that over 100 people saw the post, Ask jrb why he said/posted it if it was not true.?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 9 2017 19:29:19 AEDT PM
Suffered a phishing attack last night, had to change all my passwords.....don't, know who Chris is huego? Sorry.
Trying to source an S shaft set up, no luck with that either, will put it on my gpx shaft until I can find one.
Dean should have one soon. I have a patch that I found quite a few small bits on, and as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing left there, so I guess when I'm set up, that will be my 1st testing area, see if I missed a few.....


Title: Re: QED update - NT gold coming soon
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 19:46:34 AEDT PM
  

Suffered a phishing attack last night, had to change all my passwords.....don't, know who Chris is huego? Sorry.
Trying to source an S shaft set up, no luck with that either, will put it on my gpx shaft until I can find one.
Dean should have one soon. I have a patch that I found quite a few small bits on, and as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing left there, so I guess when I'm set up, that will be my 1st testing area, see if I missed a few.....



Sorry about your probs Dave. Its very frustrating when that happens.

Chris calls himself GR on Finders (or Grundy, Grunge or Groinrash) he has offered to use or test your QED for you when you meet for a beer on the spini. He & mates called the QED a "crumpet on a stick" a put-down he is reowned for as you can see. Watch out for him if he PMs you.

You will get over the shaft delay / probs. Good to re-look over your old patches as the QED will find small deep (& big gold). Sounds like you can’t loose. Look forward to hear what you find. After a few mths go over them again because you will become skilled and may find more.

I have watched your posts with interest on PA.  ::419::

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Thursday February 9 2017 19:57:20 AEDT PM
Same here Dave .. been itching to get out .. to try the beasty .... 
Ye NT gold not toooo far off .. will see in coming weeks Dave


Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 19:58:53 AEDT PM
  

It does not matter what you say, The fact remains that jrb Posted on 4umer that half the gold was found with his 5000 and if it is not true then why did he post it, what I am telling you is that over 100 people saw the post, Ask jrb why he said/posted it if it was not true.?


No need... you ask JRB if you want. Its unnecessary now hes cleared up misunderstandings.

What you & I see now is what JRB said on this haul on Finders. (It may well be different to what was said elswhere - I recall him saying he used a 5000 on first day.) Now he says why he quickly changed to using a QED -because the QED was seeing what the 5000 could not! Some gold may have have intially been found with a 5000 but latest pics show what was found with a QED. Its the QED finds that people want to know about.





Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 20:23:19 AEDT PM
  
  

It does not matter what you say, The fact remains that jrb Posted on 4umer that half the gold was found with his 5000 and if it is not true then why did he post it, what I am telling you is that over 100 people saw the post, Ask jrb why he said/posted it if it was not true.?


No need... you ask JRB if you want. Its unnecessary now hes cleared up misunderstandings.

What you & I see now is what JRB said on this haul on Finders. (It may well be different to what was said elswhere - I recall him saying he used a 5000 on first day.) Now he says why he quickly changed to using a QED -because the QED was seeing what the 5000 could not! Some gold may have have intially been found with a 5000 but latest pics show what was found with a QED. Its the QED finds that people want to know about.


What jrb posted on  finders is not true that is not what he said/Posted on 4umer, again he has not told the truth about what he did say, And how are the ground balancing problems has that been fixed yet, Since last week.   



Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 20:36:25 AEDT PM
  
  
  

It does not matter what you say, The fact remains that jrb Posted on 4umer that half the gold was found with his 5000 and if it is not true then why did he post it, what I am telling you is that over 100 people saw the post, Ask jrb why he said/posted it if it was not true.?


No need... you ask JRB if you want. Its unnecessary now hes cleared up misunderstandings.

What you & I see now is what JRB said on this haul on Finders. (It may well be different to what was said elswhere - I recall him saying he used a 5000 on first day.) Now he says why he quickly changed to using a QED -because the QED was seeing what the 5000 could not! Some gold may have have intially been found with a 5000 but latest pics show what was found with a QED. Its the QED finds that people want to know about.


What jrb posted on  finders is not true that is not what he said/Posted on 4umer, again he has not told the truth about what he did say, And how are the ground balancing problems has that been fixed yet, Since last week.   



For the last time re the  gold pictures on the gold search site which says under the picture
"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far."
Now do you believe this  to be a true statement? yes or no?
Then from your own experiences with a QED tell us more about your  QED ground balancing problems.
No one else has yet  reported the same problem so naturally we are all interested in hearing about your own QED GB problems
eg where was this happening, what coil/s were  you using and what menu settings etc.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 20:47:36 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  

It does not matter what you say, The fact remains that jrb Posted on 4umer that half the gold was found with his 5000 and if it is not true then why did he post it, what I am telling you is that over 100 people saw the post, Ask jrb why he said/posted it if it was not true.?


No need... you ask JRB if you want. Its unnecessary now hes cleared up misunderstandings.

What you & I see now is what JRB said on this haul on Finders. (It may well be different to what was said elswhere - I recall him saying he used a 5000 on first day.) Now he says why he quickly changed to using a QED -because the QED was seeing what the 5000 could not! Some gold may have have intially been found with a 5000 but latest pics show what was found with a QED. Its the QED finds that people want to know about.


What jrb posted on  finders is not true that is not what he said/Posted on 4umer, again he has not told the truth about what he did say, And how are the ground balancing problems has that been fixed yet, Since last week.   



For the last time re the  gold pictures on the gold search site which says under the picture
"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far."
Now do you believe this  to be a true statement? yes or no?
Then from your own experiences with a QED tell us more about your  QED ground balancing problems.
No one else has yet  reported the same problem so naturally we are all interested in hearing about your own QED GB problems
eg where was this happening, what coil/s were  you using and what menu settings etc.
doug ::419::


Sorry Doug you need to talk to Howard about the GB thing, and I answered your question in my first post about it,

Seeing as jrb won't tell you the truth about what he posted on 4umer and has changed his story on finders to please future customers there is no point,

 


Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 20:50:26 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  

It does not matter what you say, The fact remains that jrb Posted on 4umer that half the gold was found with his 5000 and if it is not true then why did he post it, what I am telling you is that over 100 people saw the post, Ask jrb why he said/posted it if it was not true.?


No need... you ask JRB if you want. Its unnecessary now hes cleared up misunderstandings.

What you & I see now is what JRB said on this haul on Finders. (It may well be different to what was said elswhere - I recall him saying he used a 5000 on first day.) Now he says why he quickly changed to using a QED -because the QED was seeing what the 5000 could not! Some gold may have have intially been found with a 5000 but latest pics show what was found with a QED. Its the QED finds that people want to know about.


What jrb posted on  finders is not true that is not what he said/Posted on 4umer, again he has not told the truth about what he did say, And how are the ground balancing problems has that been fixed yet, Since last week.   



For the last time re the  gold pictures on the gold search site which says under the picture
"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far."
Now do you believe this  to be a true statement? yes or no?
Then from your own experiences with a QED tell us more about your  QED ground balancing problems.
No one else has yet  reported the same problem so naturally we are all interested in hearing about your own QED GB problems
eg where was this happening, what coil/s were  you using and what menu settings etc.
doug ::419::


Sorry Doug you need to talk to Howard about the GB thing, and I answered your question in my first post about it,

Seeing as jrb won't tell you the truth about what he posted on 4umer and has changed his story on finders to please future customers there is no point,

 
Whats the serial number of  your QED that had the gb problems?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- Reporting on Forums
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 20:54:51 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
  

It does not matter what you say, The fact remains that jrb Posted on 4umer that half the gold was found with his 5000 and if it is not true then why did he post it, what I am telling you is that over 100 people saw the post, Ask jrb why he said/posted it if it was not true.?


No need... you ask JRB if you want. Its unnecessary now hes cleared up misunderstandings.

What you & I see now is what JRB said on this haul on Finders. (It may well be different to what was said elswhere - I recall him saying he used a 5000 on first day.) Now he says why he quickly changed to using a QED -because the QED was seeing what the 5000 could not! Some gold may have have intially been found with a 5000 but latest pics show what was found with a QED. Its the QED finds that people want to know about.


What jrb posted on  finders is not true that is not what he said/Posted on 4umer, again he has not told the truth about what he did say, And how are the ground balancing problems has that been fixed yet, Since last week.   



For the last time re the  gold pictures on the gold search site which says under the picture
"Attached is a photo of our gold finds with the QED so far."
Now do you believe this  to be a true statement? yes or no?
Then from your own experiences with a QED tell us more about your  QED ground balancing problems.
No one else has yet  reported the same problem so naturally we are all interested in hearing about your own QED GB problems
eg where was this happening, what coil/s were  you using and what menu settings etc.
doug ::419::


Sorry Doug you need to talk to Howard about the GB thing, and I answered your question in my first post about it,

Seeing as jrb won't tell you the truth about what he posted on 4umer and has changed his story on finders to please future customers there is no point,

 
Whats the serial number of  your QED that had the gb problems?
doug ::419::

Also Ridge Runner did your Gb problems  occur at many different locations or only at a few or one spot?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 21:03:46 AEDT PM
Sorry Doug but I am not playing this game any more, If your mates won't be straight up with you there is very little point, well over a 100+ people saw jrb's posts and photos. I don't know why he is covering up what he said or why he won't tell the truth, This is not about me.

Good Luck.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 21:07:13 AEDT PM
  
Sorry Doug but I am not playing this game any more, If your mates won't be straight up with you there is very little point, well over a 100+ people saw jrb's posts and photos. I don't know why he is covering up what he said or why he won't tell the truth, This is not about me.

Good Luck.

Still waiting for answers  and more  info about your QED Gb'ing problem and what serial number it is.
thanks,
doug


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 21:23:24 AEDT PM
  
  
Sorry Doug but I am not playing this game any more, If your mates won't be straight up with you there is very little point, well over a 100+ people saw jrb's posts and photos. I don't know why he is covering up what he said or why he won't tell the truth, This is not about me.

Good Luck.

Still waiting for answers  and more  info about your QED Gb'ing problem and what serial number it is.
thanks,
doug

I never said it was me did I and after all the lies I have seen come to the surface by those involved, I would not hand over One cent for one, I won't invest hard earned money in to people who hide the truth to cover their own backside, That Excludes "YOU" I might add, Because you have always been pretty straight  and I thank you for that. But I am now thinking about a 4500 or the 5k,

I thought that the QED was the shot in the arm that this hobby needed but due to certain people's actions, I have no faith in the product or the people and that is not fair on Mr QED because none of it was his doing.

Take care, Doug,


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 9 2017 21:29:39 AEDT PM
RR, I thought what I read was that JR and Reg found about 16 grams on the 1st day, between them, and that Reg found the majority as he worked the a patch while JR was still looking. As a result, the QED found more the 1st day, I don't recall JR saying he found half, I do recall him saying "between them, and Reg found more.
Not having a dig at you, I just think that everyone is getting to literal and pedanantic, it was 16 grams for Christ's sake.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 9 2017 21:40:27 AEDT PM
Its got to a point where I'm worried about finding and posting gold with it, get labeled a liar if I find something and post it, guess I'll have to video it first.....


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 21:49:40 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Sorry Doug but I am not playing this game any more, If your mates won't be straight up with you there is very little point, well over a 100+ people saw jrb's posts and photos. I don't know why he is covering up what he said or why he won't tell the truth, This is not about me.

Good Luck.

Still waiting for answers  and more  info about your QED Gb'ing problem and what serial number it is.
thanks,
doug

I never said it was me did I and after all the lies I have seen come to the surface by those involved, I would not hand over One cent for one, I won't invest hard earned money in to people who hide the truth to cover their own backside, That Excludes "YOU" I might add, Because you have always been pretty straight  and I thank you for that. But I am now thinking about a 4500 or the 5k,

I thought that the QED was the shot in the arm that this hobby needed but due to certain people's actions, I have no faith in the product or the people and that is not fair on Mr QED because none of it was his doing.

Take care, Doug,

So who is the person that has the QED with g'ing problems? I am sure BW would be very  happy to check it out.
Why have they not posted about their Gb'ing problems either here or on another forum?
We want honest QED  reports warts and all, potential consumers expect nothing less!
So are we to conclude that  you have never used a QED to determine for yourself if what appears to be a second hand report  on the QED  Gb'ing  problems are  factual?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 21:51:17 AEDT PM
  

RR, I thought what I read was that JR and Reg found about 16 grams on the 1st day, between them, and that Reg found the majority as he worked the a patch while JR was still looking. As a result, the QED found more the 1st day, I don't recall JR saying he found half, I do recall him saying "between them, and Reg found more.
Not having a dig at you, I just think that everyone is getting to literal and pedanantic, it was 16 grams for Christ's sake.


Thats more or less my recollection.

Like you, I think these are trivial matters - camera dates, etc -- splitting hairs over nonsense.

The clarification has been made by JRB to correct others impressions. Accept it and move on is what I suggest.



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Thursday February 9 2017 21:54:40 AEDT PM
  

Its got to a point where I'm worried about finding and posting gold with it, get labeled a liar if I find something and post it, guess I'll have to video it first.....


Dave, THAT is precisley how they* want posters finding gold with the QED to feel... INTIMIDATED!!

* QED opponents

Can't you see it?  Its a long used tactic against the QED & its posts. BUT Truth will prevail

"Man up mate stand up to them!" (voice of Peter Lalor, the Eureka spirit)

 ::402::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Thursday February 9 2017 22:04:19 AEDT PM
well I am sure if the is a GB issue with whos ever beast it is they would contact Bugs ..
I mean why would you hang onto a machine that wouldnt GB ..
a probable  false claim IMHO  ....

Ps .. same er Dave ...


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 9 2017 22:31:39 AEDT PM
  
  

Its got to a point where I'm worried about finding and posting gold with it, get labeled a liar if I find something and post it, guess I'll have to video it first.....


Dave, THAT is precisley how they want posters finding gold with the QED to feel... INTIMIDATED!!

Can't you see it?  Its a long used tactic against the QED & its posts. BUT Truth will prevail

"Man up mate stand up to them!" (voice of Peter Lalor, the Eureka spirit)

 ::402::

I'll post what I find, no worries, but I'll be waiting to be called out, so I am going to try to set the date on my camera to the 1880,s in an attempt to find bigger gold, or maybe into the future, with my camera , that will confuse some!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 22:32:42 AEDT PM
  
Its got to a point where I'm worried about finding and posting gold with it, get labeled a liar if I find something and post it, guess I'll have to video it first.....

Dave have no fear it will find Gold No doubts. like I said the bit that annoys me is how jrb's story has changed, the fact is on the patch he was on with his 5k he had an impressive haul him self,, reg on the other hand was doing very well using his QED, Yet jrb has now posted that he only found half a dozen bits with his 5k and then changed over to his QED, Now either he lied on 4umer or he is lying on finders,

I saw the photos and I saved them and yes they got good gold, But as to which story is the truth is something else altogether, now he clamed to be doing this on the 4th or 5th, and he posted them on the 6th But the photos he posted were dated the 30/1/ 2017.

So the photos don't add up and the story has changed, either way it has been tailored to Dumb down the 5k, On the finders forum in favour of the QED. I read the story on 2 forums both posted by jrb a couple of days apart and they are chalk and cheese.

So think carefully.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Thursday February 9 2017 22:33:40 AEDT PM
  
RR, I thought what I read was that JR and Reg found about 16 grams on the 1st day, between them, and that Reg found the majority as he worked the a patch while JR was still looking. As a result, the QED found more the 1st day, I don't recall JR saying he found half, I do recall him saying "between them, and Reg found more.
Not having a dig at you, I just think that everyone is getting to literal and pedanantic, it was 16 grams for Christ's sake.

I read the same post Davent,

That's exactly how it was stated, JR said Reg won.

When you get your QED, go out and get your gold
As far as having to post or prove your finds, Why?

Take your pic's and vid's to share with your Grandchildren, and maybe latter in life ponder the enjoyable time's you spent prospecting.
You owe nobody nuthin and need to prove nuthin.

Come here in a few week's or a few months, tell me you found 16 g, 30g or 30oz, and I will take you at your word.
I don't need to see proof.

::402::





      



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: egixe4 on Thursday February 9 2017 22:39:24 AEDT PM
  
  
Its got to a point where I'm worried about finding and posting gold with it, get labeled a liar if I find something and post it, guess I'll have to video it first.....

Dave have no fear it will find Gold No doubts. like I said the bit that annoys me is how jrb's story has changed, the fact is on the patch he was on with his 5k he had an impressive haul him self,, reg on the other hand was doing very well using his QED, Yet jrb has now posted that he only found half a dozen bits with his 5k and then changed over to his QED, Now either he lied on 4umer or he is lying on finders,

I saw the photos and I saved them and yes they got good gold, But as to which story is the truth is something else altogether, now he clamed to be doing this on the 4th or 5th, and he posted them on the 6th But the photos he posted were dated the 30/1/ 2017.

So the photos don't add up and the story has changed, either way it has been tailored to Dumb down the 5k, On the finders forum in favour of the QED. I read the story on 2 forums both posted by jrb a couple of days apart and they are chalk and cheese.

So think carefully.


I'm going to keep this reply simple

 ::417::


[Added]

I'm the proud owner of QED 001, the first production QED sold.
Paid for it with my own money and paid full retail price.
I don't recall anyone twisting my arm to force me to buy it.

My detecting buddy and I have had very Similar results to Reg and Mr Beatty, care to call me a liar??

Mal




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 22:42:06 AEDT PM
  
  

Its got to a point where I'm worried about finding and posting gold with it, get labeled a liar if I find something and post it, guess I'll have to video it first.....


Dave, THAT is precisley how they* want posters finding gold with the QED to feel... INTIMIDATED!!

* QED opponents

Can't you see it?  Its a long used tactic against the QED & its posts. BUT Truth will prevail

"Man up mate stand up to them!" (voice of Peter Lalor, the Eureka spirit)

 ::402::

Don't talk rubbish,  whether he buys it or not does not effect me in the slightest,

Maybe you should explain why you are working so hard trying to get him to part with his money, Out of the Two of us you are the only one with something to Gain.

That's the only honest thing you said,,,Your right the truth will prevail


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Thursday February 9 2017 22:43:42 AEDT PM
Hey Ridgerunner,
I saw that post about JRbeatty and Reg Wilson.

I can say that he only used the gpx 5000 on day one where he was also using the QED where he compared both on that 1St day.

On Finders forum, JR says that the photo there is of the QED finds.
That said,   means that it's only the QED gold.
I hope this helps sort things out with your questions.

By the way, I've taken photos where the dates were wrong.
Cheer up mate. ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Thursday February 9 2017 22:51:57 AEDT PM
  
I'm happy to say my QED (complete) arrived this morning. Fully paid for.
Allowed a few weeks to pass for other believers to order first. Would not like them to miss out.
Doug, I could still use the C-fibre shafts from an old ML if I wished ... or do a YF & combine both!
Love to see the QED-PL in front of the old ML box.

 ::62::

  So how has your QED been working.  Is it from Goldsearch?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 9 2017 22:59:17 AEDT PM
Cut it out Ridge Runner, you complain about S??? stirrers and its you with the spoon!
I parted with my money before gold search advertised!
Then the battery problem came up, and was resolved. I asked Dean for a refund just after Christmas, as we got an unexpected bill. I reassured Dean that I would reorder the moment I could, and I did.
I DO not need you to pm me and warn me to be careful.
I do not need you to USE me as a "dumb" gullible customer who needs to be co-erced into buying a QED by a silver toungued salesman.I have already paid for my QED,as you already know, and am keen as to get off the forums and out in the bush.
Do not pretend or feel like you need to protect me from the QED wolves, I am happy to be part of the pack. If I fail miserably in learning to use it, or am dissapointed in the QED,s performance, I will say so.
BTW, I bought a TDI oz pro on your advice, and I was disappointed in its performance, however, I much preferred its lay out and ergonomics to my 4500.
Please stop.Just stop!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 23:00:29 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Its got to a point where I'm worried about finding and posting gold with it, get labeled a liar if I find something and post it, guess I'll have to video it first.....

Dave have no fear it will find Gold No doubts. like I said the bit that annoys me is how jrb's story has changed, the fact is on the patch he was on with his 5k he had an impressive haul him self,, reg on the other hand was doing very well using his QED, Yet jrb has now posted that he only found half a dozen bits with his 5k and then changed over to his QED, Now either he lied on 4umer or he is lying on finders,

I saw the photos and I saved them and yes they got good gold, But as to which story is the truth is something else altogether, now he clamed to be doing this on the 4th or 5th, and he posted them on the 6th But the photos he posted were dated the 30/1/ 2017.

So the photos don't add up and the story has changed, either way it has been tailored to Dumb down the 5k, On the finders forum in favour of the QED. I read the story on 2 forums both posted by jrb a couple of days apart and they are chalk and cheese.

So think carefully.


I'm going to keep this reply simple

 ::417::


[Added]

I'm the proud owner of QED 001, the first production QED sold.
Paid for it with my on money and paid full retail price.
I don't recall anyone twisting my arm to force me to buy it.

My detecting buddy and I have had very Similar results to Reg and Mr Beatty, care to call me a liar??

Mal


wipe ya chin your getting a Brown stain on it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Thursday February 9 2017 23:09:13 AEDT PM
  
Cut it out Ridge Runner, you complain about S??? stirrers and its you with the spoon!
I parted with my money before gold search advertised!
Then the battery problem came up, and was resolved. I asked Dean for a refund just after Christmas, as we got an unexpected bill. I reassured Dean that I would reorder the moment I could, and I did.
I DO not need you to pm me and warn me to be careful.
I do not need you to USE me as a "dumb" gullible customer who needs to be co-erced into buying a QED by a silver toungued salesman.I have already paid for my QED,as you already know, and am keen as to get off the forums and out in the bush.
Do not pretend or feel like you need to protect me from the QED wolves, I am happy to be part of the pack. If I fail miserably in learning to use it, or am dissapointed in the QED,s performance, I will say so.
BTW, I bought a TDI oz pro on your advice, and I was disappointed in its performance, however, I much preferred its lay out and ergonomics to my 4500.
Please stop.Just stop!

You said your self that you never gave you TDI Pro a chance, If you never took the time to learn it that was your fault and down to you,

Buy the thing dave,


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Thursday February 9 2017 23:21:57 AEDT PM
You're not listening, I bought one a while ago, It was posted Tuesday I think.
You are right, I didn't give the TDI a fair go, and I wish I had of kept it. I was in the process of getting 2 new coils when the 4500 came up for sale at a great deal. Wife talked me into selling it, I didn't want to.also sold my mxt, that I also wish I could have kept. The QED will be my 2nd machine, how many do you have? I'm guessing about 5-8, mainly whites,with 2 minelabs. My new QED is cheaper than both a new TDI oz pro,and a 4500.and that includes  nf evo. It is beyond me why you would warn people away from buying one based on 2nd hand information, from another continent. You still in the UK?


Title: Re: QED update: Reg's and JB's QED gold finds
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 23:42:00 AEDT PM
 I have absolutely no doubt that Reg's and JB's QED gold finds and their pictures are totally genuine and i have no reason or evidence to suggest that they are acting dishonestly or deceptively.I also accept JB's explanations.If anyone here suggests otherwise then if they cannot prove their allegations beyond all doubt they will be given a forum holiday like Big gold here who has also been banned from finders!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: Reg's and JB's QED gold finds
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 9 2017 23:53:52 AEDT PM
  
I have absolutely no doubt that Reg's and JB's QED gold finds and their pictures are totally genuine and i have no reason or evidence to suggest that they are acting dishonestly or deceptively.I also accept JB's explanations.If anyone here suggests otherwise then if they cannot prove their allegations beyond all doubt they will be given a forum holiday like Big gold here who has also been banned from finders!
doug ::419::

I wholeheartedly support Reg and JB  in what they are doing and  posting  on the QED without fear or favor. As time goes on i hope we will see other users giving their QED experiences whether good or bad and  also without fear or favor.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 00:06:21 AEDT AM
 At least with Reg and JB we are getting first hand in the field reports from people actually using 2 QED's rather than a very vague second hand report from an unknown user who  claims  his QED had or has GB issues. Neither Reg or JB or any others to my knowledge have reported this issue and nor has BW in his many visits to typical Vic goldfield ground.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Friday February 10 2017 05:30:04 AEDT AM
We are still waiting for Huegos report on the QED he has said he bought and received.  Not a peep from him since he said he bought it from Gold Search and Dean.  We know he will give a honest report.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 06:11:51 AEDT AM
  
You're not listening, I bought one a while ago, It was posted Tuesday I think.
You are right, I didn't give the TDI a fair go, and I wish I had of kept it. I was in the process of getting 2 new coils when the 4500 came up for sale at a great deal. Wife talked me into selling it, I didn't want to.also sold my mxt, that I also wish I could have kept. The QED will be my 2nd machine, how many do you have? I'm guessing about 5-8, mainly whites,with 2 minelabs. My new QED is cheaper than both a new TDI oz pro,and a 4500.and that includes  nf evo. It is beyond me why you would warn people away from buying one based on 2nd hand information, from another continent. You still in the UK?

Where I am has nothing to do with it, I was born and bred in Australia and I have lived in Australia longer than you have been alive, I came over 3 years ago,

enjoy your new toy,  ::620:: ::620:: ::620::



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Friday February 10 2017 09:51:52 AEDT AM
Come on Huego!  I see you are online right now.  Tell us about the QED you bought.  I am sure Doug knows about it also.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 10 2017 09:54:04 AEDT AM
Just wondering how many Qeds are in the UK for you to actually look at and get your hands on. That's the relevance RR.
You are basing your opinion on the QED on info from forums, and those forums have an adgenda.
You accuse people of liing, because you mid read, and don't remember what was said in JRB post, where I have pointed out to you,as have others.
I have first hand info on the QED. A bloke I know, an ex RAAF tech, and current NT police tech, has one. He also manufactures boosters and other MD accessories commercially.he has had a QED for a while. I make informed decisions. Do you?


Title: Re: QED update: GB probems alledged by Ridge runner
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 09:56:57 AEDT AM
Ridge Runner i am still waiting for you to expand on your assertion that the QED  has GB problems.This is obviously based on your vague second hand report from an unknown source, with a QED of unknown serial number at an unknown location, unknown time, unknown coil and unknown menu settings.If the QED has  GB problems as your unknown source infers then why have none of the current users or those that have tested prototypes in the field reported this issue?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Friday February 10 2017 10:56:47 AEDT AM
Interesting going's on regarding the QED. Seems to me that a lot of energy is being wasted trying to discredit users reports because the information that is being disseminated does not meet preconceived outlooks or aims. When those users reports are then used to try and wedge the narrative towards a negative outcome by people that have never used or even seen a QED then the politics become blindingly obvious.

At the end of the day it is a wasted effort as the advantages and disadvantages will be discovered by buyers as they use them in the field and discover the results for themselves.... which will be then passed on by word of mouth to the majority of detectorists who do not inhabit the insular world of forums or social media in general. When people buy a "toy" regardless of the brand or the model it is a leap of faith and the results are determined by the use not the pontificating.

The 7000 is a case in point. When it was first introduced people rushed to buy it and when the results were not immediate for those that chose not to take the time to learn the machine that led to the recriminations coming thick and fast with people trying to unload them within 2 weeks of purchase and testers like JP (in my opinion) unfairly wore the brunt of venomous commentary. Since then, as people took the time to learn the 7000 advantages, the commentary has turned and the truth of it's capability's has been exposed. The same circumstances are now developing with the QED except at this stage I am yet to read of any negative reports from ACTUAL owners of the QED... yeah there has been Chinese whispers about the ground balance but nothing that has been backed up with factual evidence so for now I will just file that under "B" for bullchit.

The QED will stand or fall on it's merits alone despite the role playing some commentators engage in that has seen photo's disparaged because the camera owners couldn't be bothered setting the correct date... yep, good one... apparently that is a hanging offense that ergo leads to any commentary by those testers as being a lie... apparently. Talk about being desperate to point score. But I had to laugh... a lot... when I saw on 4umer (where this garbage originated from) they have a new "members finds" topics.... ya reckon all the exif data in those photo's has been scrubbed now ?..... bluddy oath it has as they cannot now trust their other members when it comes to a bit of forensic geocaching analysis... some people are just too smart by half lol.

Will the QED be a success or failure ?........ I have no idea at this stage but the early indicators have been promising and I will ONLY take notice of actual users reports and WILL be ignoring speculative chatter from wannabe's that have never used a QED. At 1/6th the price of minelabs best I would be mad not to look for results from real world comparative testing and weighing up the pro's vs cons.  


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 11:35:35 AEDT AM
  
Just wondering how many Qeds are in the UK for you to actually look at and get your hands on. That's the relevance RR.
You are basing your opinion on the QED on info from forums, and those forums have an adgenda.
You accuse people of liing, because you mid read, and don't remember what was said in JRB post, where I have pointed out to you,as have others.
I have first hand info on the QED. A bloke I know, an ex RAAF tech, and current NT police tech, has one. He also manufactures boosters and other MD accessories commercially.he has had a QED for a while. I make informed decisions. Do you?

Stop trying to be smart Dave, If you were that smart you would of learned how to use the detectors you've already owned, each machine you buy has less and less controls, what are you buying next week ? A magnet on a stick.


Title: Re: QED update: GB probems alledged by Ridge runner
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 11:40:00 AEDT AM
  
Ridge Runner i am still waiting for you to expand on your assertion that the QED  has GB problems.This is obviously based on your vague second hand report from an unknown source, with a QED of unknown serial number at an unknown location, unknown time, unknown coil and unknown menu settings.If the QED has  GB problems as your unknown source infers then why have none of the current users or those that have tested prototypes in the field reported this issue?
doug ::419::


Yeah and you can keep waiting, too.  I can't be bothered arguing with you, sort it out ya selves.


Title: Re: QED update: GB probems alledged by Ridge runner
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 11:48:41 AEDT AM
  
  
Ridge Runner i am still waiting for you to expand on your assertion that the QED  has GB problems.This is obviously based on your vague second hand report from an unknown source, with a QED of unknown serial number at an unknown location, unknown time, unknown coil and unknown menu settings.If the QED has  GB problems as your unknown source infers then why have none of the current users or those that have tested prototypes in the field reported this issue?
doug ::419::


Yeah and you can keep waiting, too.  I can't be bothered arguing with you, sort it out ya selves.

Running away from your  assertions I see! So its safe to assume that you are talking B/S? Unless you are prepared to  honestly and openly  back up your assertions  with credible evidence then you can have a forum "holiday"! Its your call!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 12:35:31 AEDT PM
I don't know how many times I have to tell you to ask Howard, This is not word for word just a brief mellowed version of events Ok.

Someone Bought a machine and no matter what they tried they could not get it to Ground balance or settle down, So the owner contacted howard or who ever it is who deals with such problems, Anyway he was kind enough to meet the guy and  they walked out on the oval and got the machine to run, and they parted ways and the owner left the setting as howard had set them and he went back out to his patch and the machine was going nuts over tailing piles, which is a bit odd because they are not normally that hot and are good spots to play with VLFs and no matter what he tried nothing would make his machine settle down, So he called howard back up and the met and went out to that patch,  Howard did his best to settle the machine and that did not work so howard got his own machine and his one behaved the same, So now neither machine would run there, after some small talk howard kindly said " This isn't the machine for you" and refunded the Guys money which was very civil of him really. that is what roughly what happened Ok.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Friday February 10 2017 12:43:50 AEDT PM
hi ridge runner
at first i thought you had some valid questions,
but now all i hear is a vindictive broken toy ,are you a m/l dealer
let a new machine speak for it self , time will tell
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 12:45:54 AEDT PM
  
I don't know how many times I have to tell you to ask Howard, This is not word for word just a brief mellowed version of events Ok.

Someone Bought a machine and no matter what they tried they could not get it to Ground balance or settle down, So the owner contacted howard or who ever it is who deals with such problems, Anyway he was kind enough to meet the guy and  they walked out on the oval and got the machine to run, and they parted ways and the owner left the setting as howard had set them and he went back out to his patch and the machine was going nuts over tailing piles, which is a bit odd because they are not normally that hot and are good spots to play with VLFs and no matter what he tried nothing would make his machine settle down, So he called howard back up and the met and went out to that patch,  Howard did his best to settle the machine and that did not work so howard got his own machine and his one behaved the same, So now neither machine would run there, after some small talk howard kindly said " This isn't the machine for you" and refunded the Guys money which was very civil of him really. that is what roughly what happened Ok.

What you have not said is that the guy was taken to many other locations and his QED  and BW one ground balanced perfectly and that the guy was most impressed at these locations with the sensitivity and signal response and Ground handling ability.
The location that caused the problem  also defeats ML's Pi as well.You have to hit the auto GB button on the ML PI's at the end of every swing and even then when you sweep over  a different patch of ground Gp/GPX's go nuts !! I guess your informant did not tell you this!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: GB probems alledged by Ridge runner
Post by: Davent on Friday February 10 2017 12:48:32 AEDT PM
  
  
Ridge Runner i am still waiting for you to expand on your assertion that the QED  has GB problems.This is obviously based on your vague second hand report from an unknown source, with a QED of unknown serial number at an unknown location, unknown time, unknown coil and unknown menu settings.If the QED has  GB problems as your unknown source infers then why have none of the current users or those that have tested prototypes in the field reported this issue?
doug ::419::


Yeah and you can keep waiting, too.  I can't be bothered arguing with you, sort it out ya selves.
Mate, now you are getting silly.

I joined PA with next to no knowledge of metal detectors. I posted, like many, what is a good starter MD? I got several replies, including one from you recommending I get an MXT, which I did, on your advice. And you were tight, it was a good detector.  (I paid $800ish) Then I met other detectorists, who politely informed me I really needed a PI, I had already spent $800, so again sought advice. A few recommended I get a TDI, but nearly everyone else recommended an SDC 2300 ,GPX or ZED. I had already spent $800, and found a TDI for $1500 and bought that, not long after an opportunity to get a GPX4500 that was 3months old, came up for $2500, it also came with 3 coils,a walco pick and some other stuff, so I bought that to. My wife spat the dummy, so I sold the MXT and TDI. I struggled with the 4500 for a bit, then got the hang of it. One of the reasons I struggled was I started with the GPX at the end of the wet season, wet ground, emi and was swinging it in the wrong areas. Later got the gist of it, and am having reasonable success with it now. I love it, and will continue to use it. The QED will also get used, as I have explained many times, in hotter ground,and steep country, where being attached to the machine makes it hard to use.
I'm not going to get into a personal slanging match with you RR, I used to have some respect for you and your knowledge, but I'll ask you again, to please cut it out.
I'm not going to justify myself to you.
And for the record,next week, if I find a huge nugget,or come across 10k, I might buy a Zed, and if the same happens a week later, maybe a new MXT.....I'll buy whatever I want, when ever I want, and enjoy using what ever I've got.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 10 2017 12:51:26 AEDT PM
  
  
Just wondering how many Qeds are in the UK for you to actually look at and get your hands on. That's the relevance RR.
You are basing your opinion on the QED on info from forums, and those forums have an adgenda.
You accuse people of liing, because you mid read, and don't remember what was said in JRB post, where I have pointed out to you,as have others.
I have first hand info on the QED. A bloke I know, an ex RAAF tech, and current NT police tech, has one. He also manufactures boosters and other MD accessories commercially.he has had a QED for a while. I make informed decisions. Do you?

Stop trying to be smart Dave, If you were that smart you would of learned how to use the detectors you've already owned, each machine you buy has less and less controls, what are you buying next week ? A magnet on a stick.
My last reply to you was regarding this post.
Hope it clears up why I sold my MXT and TDI, its not because I didn't know how to use them, or that they went good, they are good machines.

My GPX 4500 has less and less controls?
Again that was a personal attack, insinuating that I'm stupid, and can't work out how to use electronics, I wish I could show you where I work now....


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 12:52:09 AEDT PM
  
  
I don't know how many times I have to tell you to ask Howard, This is not word for word just a brief mellowed version of events Ok.

Someone Bought a machine and no matter what they tried they could not get it to Ground balance or settle down, So the owner contacted howard or who ever it is who deals with such problems, Anyway he was kind enough to meet the guy and  they walked out on the oval and got the machine to run, and they parted ways and the owner left the setting as howard had set them and he went back out to his patch and the machine was going nuts over tailing piles, which is a bit odd because they are not normally that hot and are good spots to play with VLFs and no matter what he tried nothing would make his machine settle down, So he called howard back up and the met and went out to that patch,  Howard did his best to settle the machine and that did not work so howard got his own machine and his one behaved the same, So now neither machine would run there, after some small talk howard kindly said " This isn't the machine for you" and refunded the Guys money which was very civil of him really. that is what roughly what happened Ok.

What you have not said is that the guy was taken to many other locations and his QED  and BW one ground balanced perfectly and that the guy was most impressed at these locations with the sensitivity and signal response and Ground handling ability.
The location that caused the problem  also defeats ML's Pi as well.You have to hit the auto GB button on the ML PI's at the end of every swing and even then when you sweep over  a different patch of ground Gp/GPX's go nuts !! I guess your informant did not tell you this!
doug ::419::
Yes doug that is the gist of it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 12:53:49 AEDT PM
  
  
  
Just wondering how many Qeds are in the UK for you to actually look at and get your hands on. That's the relevance RR.
You are basing your opinion on the QED on info from forums, and those forums have an adgenda.
You accuse people of liing, because you mid read, and don't remember what was said in JRB post, where I have pointed out to you,as have others.
I have first hand info on the QED. A bloke I know, an ex RAAF tech, and current NT police tech, has one. He also manufactures boosters and other MD accessories commercially.he has had a QED for a while. I make informed decisions. Do you?

Stop trying to be smart Dave, If you were that smart you would of learned how to use the detectors you've already owned, each machine you buy has less and less controls, what are you buying next week ? A magnet on a stick.
My last reply to you was regarding this post.
Hope it clears up why I sold my MXT and TDI, its not because I didn't know how to use them, or that they went good, they are good machines.

Ok Dave I apologize for jumping the gun.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 13:01:47 AEDT PM
  
  
  
I don't know how many times I have to tell you to ask Howard, This is not word for word just a brief mellowed version of events Ok.

Someone Bought a machine and no matter what they tried they could not get it to Ground balance or settle down, So the owner contacted howard or who ever it is who deals with such problems, Anyway he was kind enough to meet the guy and  they walked out on the oval and got the machine to run, and they parted ways and the owner left the setting as howard had set them and he went back out to his patch and the machine was going nuts over tailing piles, which is a bit odd because they are not normally that hot and are good spots to play with VLFs and no matter what he tried nothing would make his machine settle down, So he called howard back up and the met and went out to that patch,  Howard did his best to settle the machine and that did not work so howard got his own machine and his one behaved the same, So now neither machine would run there, after some small talk howard kindly said " This isn't the machine for you" and refunded the Guys money which was very civil of him really. that is what roughly what happened Ok.

What you have not said is that the guy was taken to many other locations and his QED  and BW one ground balanced perfectly and that the guy was most impressed at these locations with the sensitivity and signal response and Ground handling ability.
The location that caused the problem  also defeats ML's Pi as well.You have to hit the auto GB button on the ML PI's at the end of every swing and even then when you sweep over  a different patch of ground Gp/GPX's go nuts !! I guess your informant did not tell you this!
doug ::419::
Yes doug that is the gist of it.

So what this shows is that the QED will  GB perfectly over the vast majority of Goldfield ground which is exactly what other users at least here in Victorai are finding.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 13:03:18 AEDT PM
  
hi ridge runner
at first i thought you had some valid questions,
but now all i hear is a vindictive broken toy ,are you a m/l dealer
let a new machine speak for it self , time will tell
cheers red
No I am not a ML dealer and the fact is because I travel from OZ to all over the EU I find ML machines a bit frustrating, the vast difference in ground and junk conditions has me using quite a few brands, I was a ML only machine user and that did not work too good and then I was into Whites only and then I decided to use many different machines, Gone are the times were a person could pick one brand and stay with it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday February 10 2017 13:48:02 AEDT PM
  
I don't know how many times I have to tell you to ask Howard, This is not word for word just a brief mellowed version of events Ok.

Someone Bought a machine and no matter what they tried they could not get it to Ground balance or settle down, So the owner contacted howard or who ever it is who deals with such problems, Anyway he was kind enough to meet the guy and  they walked out on the oval and got the machine to run, and they parted ways and the owner left the setting as howard had set them and he went back out to his patch and the machine was going nuts over tailing piles, which is a bit odd because they are not normally that hot and are good spots to play with VLFs and no matter what he tried nothing would make his machine settle down, So he called howard back up and the met and went out to that patch,  Howard did his best to settle the machine and that did not work so howard got his own machine and his one behaved the same, So now neither machine would run there, after some small talk howard kindly said " This isn't the machine for you" and refunded the Guys money which was very civil of him really. that is what roughly what happened Ok.

Before I let both barrels loose I need a few answers.
Does the customer live in Dunnolly?
Is the customer a member of 4umer?
If yes, is he a moderator in 4umer?
Has the customer recently posted on other forums under another nick?
Before purchasing the QED did the customer tell Dean that he knew a patch of ground the NO DETECTOR COULD GB OVER?
Does the customer own a GPZ7000 and an SDC2300?


These are not all the questions. More may come depending on your answers.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 13:50:58 AEDT PM
  
  
I don't know how many times I have to tell you to ask Howard, This is not word for word just a brief mellowed version of events Ok.

Someone Bought a machine and no matter what they tried they could not get it to Ground balance or settle down, So the owner contacted howard or who ever it is who deals with such problems, Anyway he was kind enough to meet the guy and  they walked out on the oval and got the machine to run, and they parted ways and the owner left the setting as howard had set them and he went back out to his patch and the machine was going nuts over tailing piles, which is a bit odd because they are not normally that hot and are good spots to play with VLFs and no matter what he tried nothing would make his machine settle down, So he called howard back up and the met and went out to that patch,  Howard did his best to settle the machine and that did not work so howard got his own machine and his one behaved the same, So now neither machine would run there, after some small talk howard kindly said " This isn't the machine for you" and refunded the Guys money which was very civil of him really. that is what roughly what happened Ok.

Before I let both barrels loose I need a few answers.
Does the customer live in Dunnolly?
Is the customer a member of 4umer?
If yes, is he a moderator in 4umer?
Has the customer recently posted on other forums under another nick?
Before purchasing the QED did the customer tell Dean that he knew a patch of ground the NO DETECTOR COULD GB OVER?
Does the customer own a GPZ7000 and an SDC2300?


These are not all the questions. More may come depending on your answers.

A patch of ground that NO DETECTOR COULD GB OVER?
And guess where he took you with his QED!!!!!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 15:55:28 AEDT PM
I don't know who it was and I never asked.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Friday February 10 2017 15:58:34 AEDT PM
To whom it may concern, and for the record.... (incl Billy, Old Mate  (gotcha creep)::419::)

I love the QED I bought!
For many reasons, been praised here for years. This model is the best so far of course.

No correspondence will be entered into ...  ::620::

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 16:08:20 AEDT PM
  
I don't know who it was and I never asked.

If you don't know who it was then how did you get the info?
Why would they have contacted you?
What if any steps did you take to verify the veracity of the info and the credibility of your source?
Why would they tell you and not post the info here or on another forum?
doug ::419::




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 16:27:22 AEDT PM
  
  
I don't know who it was and I never asked.

If you don't know who it was then how did you get the info?
Why would they have contacted you?
What if any steps did you take to verify the veracity of the info and the credibility of your source?
Why would they tell you and not post the info here or on another forum?
doug ::419::

Why should I bother with any of those things, It I did not pay for it, Why do people send you emails and messages,
Simple, Because they wanted too, I am not responsible for what others do.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 16:44:16 AEDT PM
  
  
  
I don't know who it was and I never asked.

If you don't know who it was then how did you get the info?
Why would they have contacted you?
What if any steps did you take to verify the veracity of the info and the credibility of your source?
Why would they tell you and not post the info here or on another forum?
doug ::419::

Why should I bother with any of those things, It I did not pay for it, Why do people send you emails and messages,
Simple, Because they wanted too, I am not responsible for what others do.

You are evading  answering the questions! I think people will start drawing the obvious conclusions! You have something to hide maybe?
I think you know exactly the person that contacted you! Holiday time for you I think is getting closer!
doug ::419::


Title: QED update:Reg and I have never had any problems with ground balance anywhere
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 16:53:27 AEDT PM
jrbeatty Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:30 pm 
---Reg and I have never had any problems with ground balance anywhere”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1005&sid=75a60206702cc34b41dce301cbb7a4d1
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1005&sid=75a60206702cc34b41dce301cbb7a4d1
So much for the dope (the mysterious Mr x!!) that says the QED has GB problems!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 17:25:55 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
I don't know who it was and I never asked.

If you don't know who it was then how did you get the info?
Why would they have contacted you?
What if any steps did you take to verify the veracity of the info and the credibility of your source?
Why would they tell you and not post the info here or on another forum?
doug ::419::

Why should I bother with any of those things, It I did not pay for it, Why do people send you emails and messages,
Simple, Because they wanted too, I am not responsible for what others do.

You are evading  answering the questions! I think people will start drawing the obvious conclusions! You have something to hide maybe?
I think you know exactly the person that contacted you! Holiday time for you I think is getting closer!
doug ::419::

Doug what possibly would I have to hide, how am I supposed to know who a person is by their user name.

I have answered all of your questions that I know the answers to, and the questions I have not answered are things that I haven't a clue about.

So if I just don't know, How would you like me to answer those questions, because if I did answer those questions then those answers would be just Lies on my behalf, If I don't know I can't change that because it is something that is out of my control.

I have tried my best to answer but there is no more because what I have posted is all I have been told,

I don't hang about on many forums which is why my post counts are low So I don't know that many people, Like I said the other day, In that I only know One person here, So I do not belong to any groups etc and if you check the forums I am on you will see that I am not part of any Group etc,

I am into this hobby for the machines and gadgets and the finds and anything else has very little interest to me.  


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 17:30:30 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
I don't know who it was and I never asked.

If you don't know who it was then how did you get the info?
Why would they have contacted you?
What if any steps did you take to verify the veracity of the info and the credibility of your source?
Why would they tell you and not post the info here or on another forum?
doug ::419::

Why should I bother with any of those things, It I did not pay for it, Why do people send you emails and messages,
Simple, Because they wanted too, I am not responsible for what others do.

You are evading  answering the questions! I think people will start drawing the obvious conclusions! You have something to hide maybe?
I think you know exactly the person that contacted you! Holiday time for you I think is getting closer!
doug ::419::

Doug what possibly would I have to hide, how am I supposed to know who a person is by their user name.

I have answered all of your questions that I know the answers to, and the questions I have not answered are things that I haven't a clue about.

So if I just don't know, How would you like me to answer those questions, because if I did answer those questions then those answers would be just Lies on my behalf, If I don't know I can't change that because it is something that is out of my control.

I have tried my best to answer but there is no more because what I have posted is all I have been told,

I don't hang about on many forums which is why my post counts are low So I don't know that many people, Like I said the other day, In that I only know One person here, So I do not belong to any groups etc and if you check the forums I am on you will see that I am not part of any Group etc,

I am into this hobby for the machines and gadgets and the finds and anything else has very little interest to me.  

Sorry i just don't buy your explanations.
Why would this Mr x get you to act as his mouthpiece when he could post the full story here or on another forum?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 17:46:00 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
  
I don't know who it was and I never asked.

If you don't know who it was then how did you get the info?
Why would they have contacted you?
What if any steps did you take to verify the veracity of the info and the credibility of your source?
Why would they tell you and not post the info here or on another forum?
doug ::419::

Why should I bother with any of those things, It I did not pay for it, Why do people send you emails and messages,
Simple, Because they wanted too, I am not responsible for what others do.

You are evading  answering the questions! I think people will start drawing the obvious conclusions! You have something to hide maybe?
I think you know exactly the person that contacted you! Holiday time for you I think is getting closer!
doug ::419::

Doug what possibly would I have to hide, how am I supposed to know who a person is by their user name.

I have answered all of your questions that I know the answers to, and the questions I have not answered are things that I haven't a clue about.

So if I just don't know, How would you like me to answer those questions, because if I did answer those questions then those answers would be just Lies on my behalf, If I don't know I can't change that because it is something that is out of my control.

I have tried my best to answer but there is no more because what I have posted is all I have been told,

I don't hang about on many forums which is why my post counts are low So I don't know that many people, Like I said the other day, In that I only know One person here, So I do not belong to any groups etc and if you check the forums I am on you will see that I am not part of any Group etc,

I am into this hobby for the machines and gadgets and the finds and anything else has very little interest to me.  

Sorry i just don't buy your explanations.
Why would this Mr x get you to act as his mouthpiece when he could post the full story here or on another forum?
doug ::419::


Doug,  Mr X as you call him did not get me to do anything, "You" asked what I had been told and I would not of posted it if you had not kept asking and the reason I did not want to post it is because it was 2nd or 3rd hand information which is why what I had been told differed from what you guys know because you are closer to those involved.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 10 2017 18:50:57 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
I don't know who it was and I never asked.

If you don't know who it was then how did you get the info?
Why would they have contacted you?
What if any steps did you take to verify the veracity of the info and the credibility of your source?
Why would they tell you and not post the info here or on another forum?
doug ::419::

Why should I bother with any of those things, It I did not pay for it, Why do people send you emails and messages,
Simple, Because they wanted too, I am not responsible for what others do.

You are evading  answering the questions! I think people will start drawing the obvious conclusions! You have something to hide maybe?
I think you know exactly the person that contacted you! Holiday time for you I think is getting closer!
doug ::419::

Doug what possibly would I have to hide, how am I supposed to know who a person is by their user name.

I have answered all of your questions that I know the answers to, and the questions I have not answered are things that I haven't a clue about.

So if I just don't know, How would you like me to answer those questions, because if I did answer those questions then those answers would be just Lies on my behalf, If I don't know I can't change that because it is something that is out of my control.

I have tried my best to answer but there is no more because what I have posted is all I have been told,

I don't hang about on many forums which is why my post counts are low So I don't know that many people, Like I said the other day, In that I only know One person here, So I do not belong to any groups etc and if you check the forums I am on you will see that I am not part of any Group etc,

I am into this hobby for the machines and gadgets and the finds and anything else has very little interest to me.  

Sorry i just don't buy your explanations.
Why would this Mr x get you to act as his mouthpiece when he could post the full story here or on another forum?
doug ::419::


Doug,  Mr X as you call him did not get me to do anything, "You" asked what I had been told and I would not of posted it if you had not kept asking and the reason I did not want to post it is because it was 2nd or 3rd hand information which is why what I had been told differed from what you guys know because you are closer to those involved.

So which  version of events are you posting here , 1st, 2nd or 3rd hand  or your "mellowed version"?
Remember that you posted elsewhere that the QED  "needed more work"
So why did you post that the QED "needed more work" when this was only based on unverified 2nd or 3rd hand info or hearsay?
Why did you not contact  BW to hear his version of events before posting info based on these unverified  2nd or 3rd hand sources or hearsay?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 19:26:14 AEDT PM
I am sorry Doug but I have tried to answer your questions to the best of my abilities, I don't have any more info for you because I just don't know anything else about it whether it is testing or using this machine. and apart from watching 2 of the videos that is the limits of my knowledge about this machine.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday February 10 2017 19:49:13 AEDT PM
  
I am sorry Doug but I have tried to answer your questions to the best of my abilities, I don't have any more info for you because I just don't know anything else about it whether it is testing or using this machine. and apart from watching 2 of the videos that is the limits of my knowledge about this machine.

What you have "done to the best of your abilities" is try to discredit the QED's GB abilities. Half the story, mellowed down you say, from 2nd or 3rd hand information. I think the forum members have seen enough to draw a conclusion.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 20:06:05 AEDT PM
  
  
I am sorry Doug but I have tried to answer your questions to the best of my abilities, I don't have any more info for you because I just don't know anything else about it whether it is testing or using this machine. and apart from watching 2 of the videos that is the limits of my knowledge about this machine.

What you have "done to the best of your abilities" is try to discredit the QED's GB abilities. Half the story, mellowed down you say, from 2nd or 3rd hand information. I think the forum members have seen enough to draw a conclusion.

But your missing the fact that I did not want to post that 3rd hand info in the first place and I only posted it because others wanted to know what it was about, And if I was not repeatedly asked about it I would never of posted it.

 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Friday February 10 2017 20:33:11 AEDT PM
  


But your missing the fact that I did not want to post that 3rd hand info in the first place and I only posted it because others wanted to know what it was about, And if I was not repeatedly asked about it I would never of posted it.

 

Nah mate, the only "facts" that are missing are the actual facts.
Right at this point in time whatever credibility you had has flown out the window.

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out peanut.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Friday February 10 2017 20:47:17 AEDT PM
  
  


But your missing the fact that I did not want to post that 3rd hand info in the first place and I only posted it because others wanted to know what it was about, And if I was not repeatedly asked about it I would never of posted it.

 

Nah mate, the only "facts" that are missing are the actual facts.
Right at this point in time whatever credibility you had has flown out the window.

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out peanut.
Again,, I did not want to post it in the first Place.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Friday February 10 2017 23:35:21 AEDT PM
Hey BW are you going to have a demo machine at the Wedderburn Detector Jamboree on 11th and 12th March 2017 ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 06:48:49 AEDT AM
  
Hey BW are you going to have a demo machine at the Wedderburn Detector Jamboree on 11th and 12th March 2017 ?

I am too busy but someone "may" turn up with one.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 06:53:49 AEDT AM
  
  
  


But your missing the fact that I did not want to post that 3rd hand info in the first place and I only posted it because others wanted to know what it was about, And if I was not repeatedly asked about it I would never of posted it.

 

Nah mate, the only "facts" that are missing are the actual facts.
Right at this point in time whatever credibility you had has flown out the window.

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out peanut.
Again,, I did not want to post it in the first Place.

There was another person present on both occasions that could give you first hand factual information. Why didn't you ask that person before posting?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Saturday February 11 2017 07:54:44 AEDT AM
Why does not a poster have the right to remain silent.  Is this the Soviet Union?  Some of the Big Wigs here need to lighten up.  Any one disagree?  Or agree? ::504::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday February 11 2017 08:35:44 AEDT AM
hi bugs
not sure why you are responding to most of the crap ,
let it go ,(sticks and stones mate) dont give them food
you have more important things to do
focus
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Saturday February 11 2017 12:55:36 AEDT PM
NOPE,

CANT "STAY SILENT" IF YOU MAKE ACCUSATIONS, ALLEGATION OR INUENDO about the QED or members here BILLY.

We value truth & the American (oops, I mean Australian) way here.

Justify what you say, make sure is true first not just empty denigration or a false hope, or say where it comes from or better check it out first before spouting your mouth here.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday February 11 2017 14:34:09 AEDT PM
There is a comprehensive review of the QED on detector prospector by JP. Worth the read, and he rates it above the ATX.
Also Mr X made comment about RR, distancing himself from RR, and wishing Howard well.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 16:07:27 AEDT PM
  
There is a comprehensive review of the QED on detector prospector by JP. Worth the read, and he rates it above the ATX.
Also Mr X made comment about RR, distancing himself from RR, and wishing Howard well.

An interesting review indeed.
What I find incredulous is the use of a nickel 5 cent coin to make the 7000 appear 30% better when most other, if not all targets were gold. The QED doesn't like nickel,  he should have use either of the 2 gold coloured coins. If someone wants to hunt for small change they should buy a $99 ALDI special. In due course I will post videos of comparisons between the QED and the SDC2300. In a recent "under mineralised ground" test the QED  recorded 2 inches over the GPX 5000 on a 19oz slug of lead. So we have a detector that goes deep into what used to be exclusive SDC2300 territory and performs better on the larger stuff.
The review does have a good description of use of BIAS and VOLUME, someone has done their homework and is technically competent. Keep in mind that coil size also dictates performance on target sizes. The moment you fit a detector with a small coil you are biasing it for small targets.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Saturday February 11 2017 16:18:01 AEDT PM
So bugs, with the 12" NF evo, I should bias down,?
And out of interest, if the QED is set for small gold, but I run over a big bit, 20 odd grams at a good depth, say 8+ inches, I will still get a signal right?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Saturday February 11 2017 16:43:46 AEDT PM
Quote
No doubt others with QED's will disagree with us. We welcome this, and would be happy to be proved wrong

Ultimately, time tells the truth by substantial gold finds or lack thereof in well-worked ground.

Referring alone to the language used without addressing the technical comparisons I thought JP and co's response was measured and articulate. That was important as like JP or not a lot of people will be guided by his views. I can see this post by JP making it more acceptable on certain forums to actually allow some level of civil discussion and that will be a plus. JP has set his benchmark as he see's it and now it is up to early users to either qualify his points or dispute them as they see fit.

Time tells the truth.... bloody oath it does. 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday February 11 2017 17:13:23 AEDT PM
hi bugs
That JP report card isnt bad, its a plus for the QED .
my understanding , the dead zone he talks about is on both machines M/L and QED
M/L  use a difefrent timing to avoid dead zone ,equivalent
not sure but i think you can move qed dead zone via bias up/down
a moveable timing  kind of ,am i digging myself a hole here ,help
lol,not sure , 
cheers red



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Saturday February 11 2017 17:14:20 AEDT PM
Secondary comment... JP's claim that the QED depth (that will be contested and proved either right or wrong) sits at 60% to 2/3d's of the 7000's depth. When the 7000 was marketed the claim was "up to 30% deeper" (presumably deeper than the 5000) so by those figures the 5000 is sitting just above the 2/3 mark of the 7000... which in JP's estimation would have to mean that the QED is running close to the 5000..... correct or not ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Saturday February 11 2017 17:16:03 AEDT PM
  

What I find incredulous is the use of a nickel 5 cent coin to make the 7000 appear 30% better when most other, if not all targets were gold. The QED doesn't like nickel,  he should have use either of the 2 gold coloured coins.


Maybe due to ML using a 5c coin as a target for owners of a GPZ to test with to see if their GPZ is how it should be.

Should owners of a QED use one of the gold coloured $1 or $2 coins to test with to see if their QED is how it should be?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Saturday February 11 2017 18:09:34 AEDT PM
Tend to disagree with his remark "The QED susceptibility to mains in urban areas compared to the SDC or Zed? In two words: “Typically Bad.”
Just a tad harsh I thinks ... comparable if anything especially with the SDC when I had it .... as I refuse to pay exorbitant amounts for the other thing ...
He must have been close to his caravan running his dirty generator that spikes .....


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 18:30:26 AEDT PM
  
So bugs, with the 12" NF evo, I should bias down,?
And out of interest, if the QED is set for small gold, but I run over a big bit, 20 odd grams at a good depth, say 8+ inches, I will still get a signal right?

The 12" EVO is a good all round coil. Set the BIAS to mid point, around 50 which equals no BIAS at all and then use VOLUME to create the threshold. The detector will then be set for best results on both small and large targets. Keep in mind that an 8" coil will always do better on fly poo and an 18" on a worthwhile big hole dig.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 18:36:42 AEDT PM
  
  

What I find incredulous is the use of a nickel 5 cent coin to make the 7000 appear 30% better when most other, if not all targets were gold. The QED doesn't like nickel,  he should have use either of the 2 gold coloured coins.


Maybe due to ML using a 5c coin as a target for owners of a GPZ to test with to see if their GPZ is how it should be.

Should owners of a QED use one of the gold coloured $1 or $2 coins to test with to see if their QED is how it should be?

I'd use a small coil and the smallest nugget you have. I have a flake that doesn't register on a 2 digit after the decimal point set of scales. Using the 8 * 6 SADIE the QED picks it up around 2"


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Jeddas on Saturday February 11 2017 18:39:55 AEDT PM
Where can I read JP's report ?
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Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 18:45:57 AEDT PM
  
Tend to disagree with his remark "The QED susceptibility to mains in urban areas compared to the SDC or Zed? In two words: “Typically Bad.”
Just a tad harsh I thinks ... comparable if anything especially with the SDC when I had it .... as I refuse to pay exorbitant amounts for the other thing ...
He must have been close to his caravan running his dirty generator that spikes .....

  
Tend to disagree with his remark "The QED susceptibility to mains in urban areas compared to the SDC or Zed? In two words: “Typically Bad.”
Just a tad harsh I thinks ... comparable if anything especially with the SDC when I had it .... as I refuse to pay exorbitant amounts for the other thing ...
He must have been close to his caravan running his dirty generator that spikes .....

I think a video shot under power lines will settle that one.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Saturday February 11 2017 18:49:29 AEDT PM
  
Where can I read JP's report ?
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This forum does not allow links. Just google "detector prospector" and look for "QED Review" in the forum threads  ::419::

edit- apparently you can post links here now... bugs has got you sorted below.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 18:51:32 AEDT PM
  
Where can I read JP's report ?
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http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/3022-qed-review/



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 19:02:20 AEDT PM
I am busy as.... does anybody have the time to precis the report in point form?
Skip the technowaffle and focus on performance comparisons statements and the targets /coil sizes / settings including GAIN used.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Saturday February 11 2017 19:12:18 AEDT PM
here be a link .. tooo long to post

http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/3022-qed-review/


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Saturday February 11 2017 20:39:09 AEDT PM
reviews of the QED
With the help of a friend considerable care was taken to ensure no placebo/bias.*
I've just finished some testing of the QED and want to share our impressions
We deliberately tested on only frequently detected but historically very productive public fields, not private property
Unlike Minelab detectors, the QED has Bias control and has 2 different audio threshold settings, an upper and a lower value.
For these threshold examples, 50 and 60, small gold (fast time constant targets) “in effect” produce signals less than 55 (half way between 50 and 60),
and larger gold in effect” produce signals more than 55
However the Volume control controls the gap between the upper and lower threshold Bias settings,
increase by turning the Volume down, or decreased by turning the Volume up.
refer to the lower pitch audio following the initial target higher pitch audio (“high-low”) or the opposite;
the higher pitch audio following the initial target lower pitch audio (“low-high”) ineffect a bit like a Minelab PI's.(easy)
So for moderately weak target signals that cause the audio to dip below threshold
once the coil moves beyond the target and the audio then rebounds above threshold.
The QED has a “motion” audio response; meaning the coil has to be moved to hear a signal.
It can be operated both quickly, and also, remarkably slowly
however the QED does seem superior
the QED is also a suitable lightweight low-cost patch hunter when used with a large coil with the Mode turned up so that there is less ground noise
In our opinion the QED fits a market where people are looking for a cheap detector capable of finding gold in thrashed areas, 
Ultimately, time tells the truth by substantial gold finds or lack thereof in well-worked ground.

cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 21:07:49 AEDT PM
I read the report again. Not a word about testing on the large nuggets the pics of which were posted on 4umer then removed. What has he done with tbe nuggets.... fine targets they would be to show the QED's performance on the bigguns.... 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 11 2017 21:36:12 AEDT PM
  
reviews of the QED
With the help of a friend considerable care was taken to ensure no placebo/bias.*
I've just finished some testing of the QED and want to share our impressions
We deliberately tested on only frequently detected but historically very productive public fields, not private property
Unlike Minelab detectors, the QED has Bias control and has 2 different audio threshold settings, an upper and a lower value.
For these threshold examples, 50 and 60, small gold (fast time constant targets) “in effect” produce signals less than 55 (half way between 50 and 60),
and larger gold in effect” produce signals more than 55
However the Volume control controls the gap between the upper and lower threshold Bias settings,
increase by turning the Volume down, or decreased by turning the Volume up.
refer to the lower pitch audio following the initial target higher pitch audio (“high-low”) or the opposite;
the higher pitch audio following the initial target lower pitch audio (“low-high”) ineffect a bit like a Minelab PI's.(easy)
So for moderately weak target signals that cause the audio to dip below threshold
once the coil moves beyond the target and the audio then rebounds above threshold.
The QED has a “motion” audio response; meaning the coil has to be moved to hear a signal.
It can be operated both quickly, and also, remarkably slowly
however the QED does seem superior
the QED is also a suitable lightweight low-cost patch hunter when used with a large coil with the Mode turned up so that there is less ground noise
In our opinion the QED fits a market where people are looking for a cheap detector capable of finding gold in thrashed areas, 
Ultimately, time tells the truth by substantial gold finds or lack thereof in well-worked ground.

cheers red


Thankyou.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Saturday February 11 2017 21:38:06 AEDT PM
Surely JP would have some large nuggies in his arsenal for this test and evaluation


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Saturday February 11 2017 23:29:14 AEDT PM
  

There is a comprehensive review of the QED on detector prospector by JP.


JP is public speaker here.
Most interesting testers in this case are "With the help of a friend".
Hard to guess who were helpfull friends, anyway, look like good promo for QED.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday February 12 2017 10:07:02 AEDT AM
Hi Bugs,
JP,s  report card on the QED is good news Bugs,
BRAVO JP for giving what you feel is a fair test in your ,and your friends opinion.
Not all agree with you JP on your test style ,but each to there own, what ever works for you,
time will tell the potential of the (little beast) QED in others hands as well ,
like reg said ,Its great to see an oz built detector by a little ozzie battler ,
Thanks JP for trying to give an unbiased opinion , now about that 19 inch coil ,just kidding,
Thanks again JP
And a big thanks to Bugs(the beast master)
(would be nice if we can we put the knifes and daggers away now)
cheers red





Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Sunday February 12 2017 12:16:04 AEDT PM
Post removed due to incorrect info  ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Sunday February 12 2017 13:50:50 AEDT PM
Back up on the 4runner ... up and down like a nuns draws it is ... ::620::
under All about detectors


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bubbazoo on Sunday February 12 2017 17:49:20 AEDT PM
"however the QED does seem superior" you forgot to mention the context.

"  The QED struggles compared to the SDC in the more mineralised soils, however the QED does seem superior to the ATX."

Paints a different picture!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday February 12 2017 19:06:57 AEDT PM
I challenge JP to put a 19" Nugget Finder EVO on the QED and the 19" DOD coil on his GPZ700 and do some tests on large nuggets. A nickel 5 cent piece target is an "excuse" test !
Never forget, JP makes his living talking up and selling the SDC2300 and GPZ7000.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Sunday February 12 2017 19:44:30 AEDT PM
Hi Bugwhiskers,

Will you be able to do software updates to the QED when the need arises?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday February 12 2017 22:45:30 AEDT PM
  
"however the QED does seem superior" you forgot to mention the context.

"  The QED struggles compared to the SDC in the more mineralised soils, however the QED does seem superior to the ATX."

Paints a different picture!

We all know the  design and ergonomic problems with the SDC. They have been well documented on other forums. But the depth limitations of the SDC should also be well known. The coil size for a start  will be a major limiting factor on depth. But  just as serious is the fact that the smooth timings (same with the gpx) used in the SDC will result in depth losses on some larger long Tc nuggets of up to 40%.As well if any emi is around the SDC threshold sounds like a sick bird with all its warbling. So even if the SDC may handle some ground better than the QED you pay a price in  depth loss on  bigger/deeper nuggets. As Dean and BW will attest the QED can also detect some gold (and specimens) that that the SDC cannot!I  think that this is likely also to be the case for the gp/gpx as well. Jp's report also fails in a number of aspects eg he fails to specify what gain was used on the QED  when testing the 5 cent coin and has not tested the QED on targets with TC longer than the 5 cent coin. JP also does not understand how to use the  bias settings optimally or the GB  or sweep speed to maximize signal response!
 Testing here shows that on some longer Tc targets the detection range of the QED is comparable  to or perhaps even better than the gpx/sad7000!!
In general Jp's is a reasonable report but has some serious omissions and he simply has not had the field time like Reg and JBeatty to fully explore the QED's full potential.Jp's comments about the QED not being really suitable for mineralized ground due to limitations of its GB so far have not been reported  for  users in Vic.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:SDC vs QED
Post by: Doug on Sunday February 12 2017 23:03:00 AEDT PM
see YF post here: http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117048#117048
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117048#117048
YF quote
"The QED wearing the same coils as the 5000, seems to outperform the 5000 in most if not all cases.
The ability of the QED to GB in places where the 5000 can't, is staggering.
Switching the 5000 to any of the smooth timings, leaves the 5000 so compromised on depth it's nothing short of ridiculous.
The QED is pulling targets the 5000 can't get close to in some places."
egixe4  here has QED 001 and thus has used it longer than anyone else so  i think can attest to its ability to Gb!
doug ::419::
Edited:Monday February 13 2017 00:02:29 AEDT AM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Sunday February 12 2017 23:40:42 AEDT PM
  
Hi Bugwhiskers,

Will you be able to do software updates to the QED when the need arises?

Writing new software is not a trivial task for a one man band. After writing it needs to be debugged  and field tested which can take a long time. Its a task that requires total focus and attention by BW.While he is flat out making detectors  it is something  he just cannot  do at present.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Sunday February 12 2017 23:55:16 AEDT PM
  
  
Hi Bugwhiskers,

Will you be able to do software updates to the QED when the need arises?

Writing new software is not a trivial task for a one man band. After writing it needs to be debugged  and field tested which can take a long time. Its a task that requires total focus and attention by BW.While he is flat out making detectors  it is something  he just cannot  do at present.
doug ::419::

Hi Doug,
So it can be done.
So like a gpz 7000 software update or a Dues detector software updates where you don't have to buy another QED is what I'm talking about?  ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 13 2017 00:00:42 AEDT AM
  
  
  
Hi Bugwhiskers,

Will you be able to do software updates to the QED when the need arises?

Writing new software is not a trivial task for a one man band. After writing it needs to be debugged  and field tested which can take a long time. Its a task that requires total focus and attention by BW.While he is flat out making detectors  it is something  he just cannot  do at present.
doug ::419::

Hi Doug,
So it can be done.
So like a gpz 7000 software update or a Dues detector software updates where you don't have to buy another QED is what I'm talking about?  ::419::

Yes it can be done but only by BW ie the detector would have to be returned to base. Their is NO facility on the  production QED's to upload new software via a USB port for example.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Monday February 13 2017 09:12:02 AEDT AM
  
  
  
  
Hi Bugwhiskers,

Will you be able to do software updates to the QED when the need arises?

Writing new software is not a trivial task for a one man band. After writing it needs to be debugged  and field tested which can take a long time. Its a task that requires total focus and attention by BW.While he is flat out making detectors  it is something  he just cannot  do at present.
doug ::419::

Hi Doug,
So it can be done.
So like a gpz 7000 software update or a Dues detector software updates where you don't have to buy another QED is what I'm talking about?  ::419::

Yes it can be done but only by BW ie the detector would have to be returned to base. Their is NO facility on the  production QED's to upload new software via a USB port for example.
doug ::419::

 ::05::


Title: Re: QED update:SDC vs QED
Post by: egixe4 on Monday February 13 2017 11:47:51 AEDT AM
  
see YF post here: http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117048#117048
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117048#117048
YF quote
"The QED wearing the same coils as the 5000, seems to outperform the 5000 in most if not all cases.
The ability of the QED to GB in places where the 5000 can't, is staggering.
Switching the 5000 to any of the smooth timings, leaves the 5000 so compromised on depth it's nothing short of ridiculous.
The QED is pulling targets the 5000 can't get close to in some places."
egixe4  here has QED 001 and thus has used it longer than anyone else so  i think can attest to its ability to Gb!
doug ::419::
Edited:Monday February 13 2017 00:02:29 AEDT AM

Well it's been 1 month to the day, since I picked up QED 001 from Goldsearch.
The machine has performed better than I ever expected it to, No issues, No GB problems at any of the sites I've taken it to, and that includes Sites in VIC and NSW.




 


 

 


Title: Re: QED update:SDC vs QED
Post by: Doug on Monday February 13 2017 12:03:09 AEDT PM
  
  
see YF post here: http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117048#117048
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117048#117048
YF quote
"The QED wearing the same coils as the 5000, seems to outperform the 5000 in most if not all cases.
The ability of the QED to GB in places where the 5000 can't, is staggering.
Switching the 5000 to any of the smooth timings, leaves the 5000 so compromised on depth it's nothing short of ridiculous.
The QED is pulling targets the 5000 can't get close to in some places."
egixe4  here has QED 001 and thus has used it longer than anyone else so  i think can attest to its ability to Gb!
doug ::419::
Edited:Monday February 13 2017 00:02:29 AEDT AM

Well it's been 1 month to the day, since I picked up QED 001 from Goldsearch.
The machine has performed better than I ever expected it to, No issues, No GB problems at any of the sites I've taken it to, and that includes Sites in VIC and NSW.


Thanks.Other QED users are finding the same thing.ie no GB issues! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday February 13 2017 12:17:06 AEDT PM
The better the QED performs, the greater will be the campaigned waged against it. Why JP only tested the QED against the GPZ700 with a nickel 5 cent piece will be revealed soon.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 13 2017 12:34:49 AEDT PM
  
The better the QED performs, the greater will be the campaigned waged against it. Why JP only tested the QED against the GPZ700 with a nickel 5 cent piece will be revealed soon.

I think it will send the orchestrated anti QED campaign into manic overdrive!!!!
doug ::419:: 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Monday February 13 2017 12:37:41 AEDT PM
With the QEDS trickling through it will be next summer when I get mine ,last week I was 21 on the list this week I am 20 one a week what's going on regards john


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday February 13 2017 13:26:35 AEDT PM
  
With the QEDS trickling through it will be next summer when I get mine ,last week I was 21 on the list this week I am 20 one a week what's going on regards john

Each QED is hand made with around 200 components requiring placement and soldering. Then there is the mechanical bits that require cutting, drilling and smoothing. The "hand made" era will continue until there is enough in the kitty to get a small mechanised production run done.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 13 2017 13:56:46 AEDT PM
  
  
With the QEDS trickling through it will be next summer when I get mine ,last week I was 21 on the list this week I am 20 one a week what's going on regards john

Each QED is hand made with around 200 components requiring placement and soldering. Then there is the mechanical bits that require cutting, drilling and smoothing. The "hand made" era will continue until there is enough in the kitty to get a small mechanised production run done.

You forgot to mention that some of the components also have to carefully matched which means  pre sorting before they can be used.This takes more time.
Then their is the testing you do on every fully assembled board before the bards go into the box!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:moving to larger scale production of the QED?
Post by: Doug on Monday February 13 2017 15:30:37 AEDT PM
What is involved in moving to larger scale production of the QED?
Well it means firstly that BW has to buy all the components and the boards and boxes for the production run. Then he has to pay for these to be put on rolls for the pick and place machine and pay for  programming of the pick and place machine  and the costs  associated with running the pick and place. Some the QED components are not SM (but through the hole) so he has to either finish each board by hand soldering or pay additional costs for this to be done by someone else.
So the initial set up costs  for a production run are quite substantial. I hope i have not missed anything if i have BW can add to or correct.
Whatever happens BW is determined that the QED will always be made in Australia.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Monday February 13 2017 16:14:24 AEDT PM
Whatever happens BW is determined that the QED will always be made in Australia. ::16::
red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Monday February 13 2017 16:56:34 AEDT PM
Hey BW, would it be possible for you to show us a picture of the completed PCB, thanks.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday February 13 2017 17:31:16 AEDT PM
  
Hey BW, would it be possible for you to show us a picture of the completed PCB, thanks.

Still working on a small group hopefully finished tomorrow. Will post a pic 4U.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Monday February 13 2017 17:43:21 AEDT PM
Thanks for the reply I realise anything hand built takes time I was under the impression that you were able to build several a day fingers crossed all back orders will soon filled  regards john ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Monday February 13 2017 18:17:27 AEDT PM
  
  
Hey BW, would it be possible for you to show us a picture of the completed PCB, thanks.

Still working on a small group hopefully finished tomorrow. Will post a pic 4U.

Cool, thanks.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday February 13 2017 18:32:43 AEDT PM
  
Whatever happens BW is determined that the QED will always be made in Australia. ::16::
red

I had a close look at the printing on the 2 core power cable and guess what, it's made in Australia.

http://www.narva.com.au/products/browse/multicore


Title: Re: QED update:Ground balancing issues?
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 10:55:55 AEDT AM
The QED GB works just fine over typical Victorian, NSW ,qld goldfields as  QED users will attest to!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Tuesday February 14 2017 13:16:17 AEDT PM
Hi All ,

i went out on sunday to south of Amherst for a swing and some testing of the QED against a GPZ. the GPZ is the only other machine i have at the moment. I was there with a more seasoned GPZ operator.
I wanted to focus on in ground tests, so the testing routine was as follows:

swing for a while with the GPZ and put down little flags where we got a hit.
come back to said flags with QED and see response, dig target with QED or Z then detect with Qed to repeat.

Settings were as follows
GPZ -14*13   HY,Difficult,14-17 gain, highish volume, manual to slow GB
QED- Evo 15  Mode-2, Gain 2-3, Bias between High and low points (u need a qed to know what this means), gb wherever it landed  - generally 132-146, volume seemed a bit meaningless but i ran it on the high side.


To begin , the QED took a little while to get my head around. I got some tips from manual and Bugs after a previously failed attempt to use. At the begining the Bias would move around (which i was prepared for), this made the machine difficult to gb, however once i understood that the bias had an affect on gb, the machine purred. the trick is check the bias and adjust and see if that resolves gb, then adjust gb. After the first hour or so the bias stopped moving around.

on most of the flags the z pinged, the qed got some kind of hit, resulting in targets. on some the z pinged (mainly the more groany signals) the qed got nothing, these turned out to be ground noises.

of the targets the QED pinged , Some of the early ones were gone over with the GPZ and turned out to be ground noises, i then decided to swing over them again with the QED once i learned the bias/GB thing and the signal was gone  - meaning my GB was out the first time...
the others were actual targets...

so , overall i pinged 1 colour (maybe .1) with both the Zed and the qed, good signal on both. Dug it with the zed though , as i was more comfortable with it.
Also pinged a tiny colour ,  with the qed that the zed missed, it was a marginal signal but there... after a few scrapes i pulled the gpz out as i was having trouble  pinpointing. The 15 evo is difficult to use on the tiny targets...
These are the bottom 2 pieces in the photo - Sorry i don't have scales.

the point for me is this... once i get my head fully around the QED. i think this will become my regular machine. Why? - well i think once i master it , it presents the best value for money for me. even if it only gets me 95% of the targets a GPZ gets,  i detect 10-20 days a year so, having a GPZ lying around for that much of the year is a bit of a waste.

Yet to test on bigger gold - whill do so next time, i dare say it will not be in ground...







Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Tuesday February 14 2017 13:18:21 AEDT PM
OOPs, Sorry about the image size....

forgot to mention , the smaller bit is the smallest ive detected.

and on the QED i DO NOT run inverted audio.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Tuesday February 14 2017 13:24:43 AEDT PM
If the person i was out (H.E) with recalls different please correct me.

Fyi , i'm totally independent, and just keen to have a swing of the machine after years of waiting.

I don't/will not derive any benefit from spruiking one detector over another.
 I don't mind this being linked on another forum if Doug doesn't mind.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 13:28:51 AEDT PM
  
If the person i was out (H.E) with recalls different please correct me.

Fyi , i'm totally independent, and just keen to have a swing of the machine after years of waiting.

I don't/will not derive any benefit from spruiking one detector over another.
 I don't mind this being linked on another forum if Doug doesn't mind.

Thanks Eski for your report. looking forward to more.Interesting to see that some the  signals on the GPZ(mainly the more groany signals) gave no signal on the QED and turned out to be ground noise.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 13:33:37 AEDT PM
  
I don't mind this being linked on another forum if Doug doesn't mind.

That's fine! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 13:40:06 AEDT PM
Eski once you figured out how to get the Gb set optimally how did the QED handle the ground?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Tuesday February 14 2017 15:45:25 AEDT PM
HI Doug , like i said , it purred along pretty well, re- ground balance here and there but not a lot considering the ground i covered. it required re-balance on ground transitions ,ie where wet mulock cuts out to normal ground ,  or some kind of mineralisation ends.  this was much like the GPZ and a 4500 i used previously on a 17*13 Evo.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 15:47:47 AEDT PM
  
HI Doug , like i said , it purred along pretty well, re- ground balance here and there but not a lot considering the ground i covered. it required re-balance on ground transitions ,ie where wet mulock cuts out to normal ground ,  or some kind of mineralisation ends.  this was much like the GPZ and a 4500 i used previously on a 17*13 Evo.

Appreciated! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 14 2017 16:25:08 AEDT PM
Good report Eski... thanks

Dang a lot has happened in my absence. Apologies for my absence Doug & BW, for only my occasional visits for brief response.
Its heartening to see the numerous posts & discussions continue with the QED, even with some attempting to derail the QED good news, being finally now restricted.  
So, I might retire from my commentary .... its not necessary now.. the QED is real (it IS) … "IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED"

As predicted and expected it was unsurprising to see JPs report on the QED, which is as much revealing by what it avoids or dosen’t say. It shows some off ithe QEDs  features, but that from a "brief encounter of the first & limited kind" (ie introductory impression).  It avoids a direct head-to-head comparisons with the 5000, SDC, 7000 (as expected). But as thats embarrassing & his QED experience VERY limited, it is no surprise. Most users know know it can outclass these in most ways … in overall performance (on small, med & large gold), grd balance, in cost, & in comfort / ease of use . EMI resistance is better than stated from my experience. Its not “cheap”…but priced more affordably & much lower that ML PI & competitors.

A few points stand out to an observer.  As others & BW says, the “5 cent test" was chosen for good reason to try and close the gap (QED prefers gold or at least gold coins of Aluminium & Copper). No probs, all will be exposed & demonstrated in tests to be posted later.
The QED in the hands of an experienced users excels on big, deep gold (or metal) when compared with the 7000/19” IF the controls are optimised, incl. the gain setting.But why show the 7000 up?  That will be exposed & demonstrated here of eslewhere also. Why was the gain not mentioned? Excessive "Ground noise” on hot ground is not a problem encountered by the recent experienced users / testers from what I read. Had JP tested & used it for a few weeks, so that he switched off the ML settings / sounds and control expectations (like RW & others did), AND he was not a ML dealer, or a tester for ML with a Non Disclosure Agreement to gag him, we could have received a much more comprehensive & positive report. But anything positive about the QED from the opposition I guess is still welcome, especially when he was canning it on US forums years ago.

The more QEDs are in use, the more they will sing their own praises. Buyers can make up their own minds based on what others find, like or dislike. Hey, I will still keep my ML as a historic relic.

 ::62::

PS: We await a report from Dave in NT when he gets his & adjusts to its quirks.  ::402::


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 16:29:46 AEDT PM
  
Good report Eski... thanks

Dang a lot has happened in my absence. Apologies for my absence Doug & BW, for only my occasional visits for brief response.
Its heartening to see the numerous posts & discussions continue with the QED, even with some attempting to derail the QED good news, being finally now restricted.  
So, I might retire from my commentary .... its not necessary now.. the QED is real (it IS) … "IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED"

As predicted and expected it was unsurprising to see JPs report on the QED, which is as much revealing by what it avoids or dosen’t say. It shows some off ithe QEDs  features, but that from a "brief encounter of the first & limited kind" (ie introductory impression).  It avoids a direct head-to-head comparisons with the 5000, SDC, 7000 (as expected). But as thats embarrassing & his QED experience VERY limited, it is no surprise. Most users know know it can outclass these in most ways … in overall performance (on small, med & large gold), grd balance, in cost, & in comfort / ease of use . EMI resistance is better than stated from my experience. Its not “cheap”…but priced more affordably & much lower that ML PI & competitors.

A few points stand out to an observer.  As others & BW says, the “5 cent test" was chosen for good reason to try and close the gap (QED prefers gold or at least gold coins of Aluminium & Copper). No probs, all will be exposed & demonstrated in tests to be posted later.
The QED in the hands of an experienced users excels on big, deep gold (or metal) when compared with the 7000/19” IF the controls are optimised, incl. the gain setting.But why show the 7000 up?  That will be exposed & demonstrated here of eslewhere also. Why was the gain not mentioned? Excessive "Ground noise” on hot ground is not a problem encountered by the recent experienced users / testers from what I read. Had JP tested & used it for a few weeks, so that he switched off the ML settings / sounds and control expectations (like RW & others did), AND he was not a ML dealer, or a tester for ML with a Non Disclosure Agreement to gag him, we could have received a much more comprehensive & positive report. But anything positive about the QED from the opposition I guess is still welcome, especially when he was canning it on US forums years ago.

The more QEDs are in use, the more they will sing their own praises. Buyers can make up their own minds based on what others find, like or dislike. Hey, I will still keep my ML as a historic relic.

 ::62::

PS: We await a report from Dave in NT when he gets his & adjusts to its quirks.  ::402::


Sadly some like  Lachlan here are not interested in the truth!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Tuesday February 14 2017 16:37:44 AEDT PM
If Australia post gets their bloody act together, I might get a chance to use it! Waiting waiting......
Might be able to have a go this weekend, but I'm not going to post a report on it until I've given it a fair go, amnd am confident that I understand what I'm doing with it.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 14 2017 16:41:57 AEDT PM
  


If Australia post gets their bloody act together, I might get a chance to use it! Waiting  waiting......
Might be able to have a go this weekend, but I'm not going to post a report on it until I've given it a fair go, and am confident that I understand what I'm doing with it.



Did you have it sent Express Post? Thats best. Anyway, sure its not far away. You may be able to track it.

Yes, report after you understand it well, then give an honest report. Remember most incl yourself have been used to the various ML controls & settings etc. Good luck mate & stay positive.

 ::62::



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Tuesday February 14 2017 16:48:03 AEDT PM
Great report Eski cannot wait to get my hands on one ,can some one  explain what the inverted audio is  , is it the same as inverted on a 45 or 5 thanks regards john ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 14 2017 16:52:00 AEDT PM
  

Sadly some like  Lachlan here are not interested in the truth!
doug



Yes Doug. Mostly they are readily identified & exposed early, usually by their natures & twisted questions.

Facts & Truth that's positive is highlighted here, not because it promotes the QED or for sales, but to correct misinformation. Anything negative (even if false) was exaggerated by some, until corrected by QED users.

 Huego

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 18:57:52 AEDT PM
  
  

Sadly some like  Lachlan here are not interested in the truth!
doug



Yes Doug. Mostly they are readily identified & exposed early, usually by their natures & twisted questions.

Facts & Truth that's positive is highlighted here, not because it promotes the QED or for sales, but to correct misinformation. Anything negative (even if false) was exaggerated by some, until corrected by QED users.

 Huego

 ::62::

I expect a big winge and more lies from Lachlan on finders or the cesspool! ::620::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Tuesday February 14 2017 19:04:20 AEDT PM
Inverted audio in the 1st version of the QED is setup in the pitch- odd numbers invert thee audio as per ML machines.
BUT.... , it also inverts bias control and GB.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Tuesday February 14 2017 19:26:54 AEDT PM
Thanks Eski I use inverted on the 45 all the time I am glad the QED has that feature still it will be a new experience regards john ::62::


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: egixe4 on Tuesday February 14 2017 20:18:17 AEDT PM
  
Good report Eski... thanks

Dang a lot has happened in my absence. Apologies for my absence Doug & BW, for only my occasional visits for brief response.
Its heartening to see the numerous posts & discussions continue with the QED, even with some attempting to derail the QED good news, being finally now restricted.  
So, I might retire from my commentary .... its not necessary now.. the QED is real (it IS) … "IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED"

As predicted and expected it was unsurprising to see JPs report on the QED, which is as much revealing by what it avoids or dosen’t say. It shows some off ithe QEDs  features, but that from a "brief encounter of the first & limited kind" (ie introductory impression).  It avoids a direct head-to-head comparisons with the 5000, SDC, 7000 (as expected). But as thats embarrassing & his QED experience VERY limited, it is no surprise. Most users know know it can outclass these in most ways … in overall performance (on small, med & large gold), grd balance, in cost, & in comfort / ease of use . EMI resistance is better than stated from my experience. Its not “cheap”…but priced more affordably & much lower that ML PI & competitors.

A few points stand out to an observer.  As others & BW says, the “5 cent test" was chosen for good reason to try and close the gap (QED prefers gold or at least gold coins of Aluminium & Copper). No probs, all will be exposed & demonstrated in tests to be posted later.
The QED in the hands of an experienced users excels on big, deep gold (or metal) when compared with the 7000/19” IF the controls are optimised, incl. the gain setting.But why show the 7000 up?  That will be exposed & demonstrated here of eslewhere also. Why was the gain not mentioned? Excessive "Ground noise” on hot ground is not a problem encountered by the recent experienced users / testers from what I read. Had JP tested & used it for a few weeks, so that he switched off the ML settings / sounds and control expectations (like RW & others did), AND he was not a ML dealer, or a tester for ML with a Non Disclosure Agreement to gag him, we could have received a much more comprehensive & positive report. But anything positive about the QED from the opposition I guess is still welcome, especially when he was canning it on US forums years ago.

The more QEDs are in use, the more they will sing their own praises. Buyers can make up their own minds based on what others find, like or dislike. Hey, I will still keep my ML as a historic relic.

 ::62::

PS: We await a report from Dave in NT when he gets his & adjusts to its quirks.  ::402::


Hi Huego,

"Why was the gain not mentioned? Excessive "Ground noise” on hot ground is not a problem encountered by the recent experienced users / testers from what I read. Had JP tested & used it for a few weeks, so that he switched off the ML settings / sounds and control expectations (like RW & others did)"

JP did in fact mention the Gain in his review,
However both myself and YF think that he did not set this correctly, and both ground noise and EMI were amplified.

YF noted this on Finders.

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=118032#118032

We, both myself and YF thought that, JP's review was fair based on his limited knowledge and experience with the QED.

Mal

   
 


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 14 2017 20:31:20 AEDT PM
  

Hi Huego,

"Why was the gain not mentioned? Excessive "Ground noise” on hot ground is not a problem encountered by the recent experienced users / testers from what I read. Had JP tested & used it for a few weeks, so that he switched off the ML settings / sounds and control expectations (like RW & others did)"

JP did in fact mention the Gain in his review,
However both myself and YF think that he did not set this correctly, and both ground noise and EMI were amplified.

YF noted this on Finders.

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=118032#118032

We, both myself and YF thought that, JP's review was fair based on his limited knowledge and experience with the QED.

Mal



Agree with you Mal after reading it more carefully. Sorry.

Perhaps he was using it with gain set at factory (low) preset level, limiting it. Thanks for bringing YF comments to my attention, I missed it.

His report IS mostly fair enough, given his limited experience with it.

Like with Reg he should do another after report after using it for a 2-4 weeks IF he is allowed (by his masters & conscince) to be totally honest, especially with any comparisons he may do.

  ::62::


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: egixe4 on Tuesday February 14 2017 20:53:25 AEDT PM
  
  

Hi Huego,

"Why was the gain not mentioned? Excessive "Ground noise” on hot ground is not a problem encountered by the recent experienced users / testers from what I read. Had JP tested & used it for a few weeks, so that he switched off the ML settings / sounds and control expectations (like RW & others did)"

JP did in fact mention the Gain in his review,
However both myself and YF think that he did not set this correctly, and both ground noise and EMI were amplified.

YF noted this on Finders.

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=118032#118032

We, both myself and YF thought that, JP's review was fair based on his limited knowledge and experience with the QED.

Mal



Agree with you Mal after reading it more carefully. Sorry.

Perhaps he was using it with gain set at factory (low) preset level, limiting it. Thanks for bringing YF comments to my attention, I missed it.

His report IS mostly fair enough, given his limited experience with it.

Like with Reg he should do another after report after using it for a 2-4 weeks IF he is allowed (by his masters & conscince) to be totally honest, especially with any comparisons he may do.

  ::62::

Don't wish to sound contradictory here Huego,

But we believe that JP's had the QED Gain set to high to the point where both ground noise and EMI were amplified

If you use the QED Gain like you would use a ML Gain control
This will be a common issue with ML users getting used to the QED



Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 14 2017 21:58:49 AEDT PM
  

Don't wish to sound contradictory here Huego,

But we believe that JP's had the QED Gain set to high to the point where both ground noise and EMI were amplified

If you use the QED Gain like you would use a ML Gain control
This will be a common issue with ML users getting used to the QED


No probs ... I ldon't mind contrary views (espcially as you know it better than I) and can suggest what he may have overlooked.

It was suggested to me he may have used it too low (factory preset). I am not a ML user now.

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: WM6 on Tuesday February 14 2017 22:14:13 AEDT PM
  
Quote from: egixe4

We, both myself and YF thought that, JP's review was fair based on his limited knowledge and experience with the QED.

Mal[/size]


Agree with you Mal after reading it more carefully. Sorry.

His report IS mostly fair enough, given his limited experience with it.

  ::62::

His report is fair, as it can be fair in given circumstances.

"In given circumstances" his (their) test was driven and then published, not by pure curiosity, but by worries.

Worries are hidden in enormous profit margin difference between QED and ZED, which is about 3000 percent.

"In given circumstances", if QED was not good as is, it will be after-test verbally destroyed and terminated.

But is not.

In fact his (their) report basically tell us, that QED is at least comparable with hi-tech line of ML detectors.
After all verbal mock and fight in past, this is visually fair and honest step in all "anti" deals with QED.
Thanks JP.

This way, his report is fair, as it can be fair in given circumstances and there is no reason for any sort of  worries and further verbal fight on QED side.

QED will prove himself, without hot verbal help anywhere.

Simply let QED to do his work and be calm - to not fall out insane.




Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: egixe4 on Tuesday February 14 2017 22:36:43 AEDT PM
  
  

Don't wish to sound contradictory here Huego,

But we believe that JP's had the QED Gain set to high to the point where both ground noise and EMI were amplified

If you use the QED Gain like you would use a ML Gain control
This will be a common issue with ML users getting used to the QED


No probs ... I ldon't mind contrary views (espcially as you know it better than I) and can suggest what he may have overlooked.

It was suggested to me he may have used it too low (factory preset). I am not a ML user now.

 ::62::


Hi Huego,

What's Bug's take on it I wonder?
Max Gain I've been able run on the QED was 003 but in most cases it's been 001 or 002
Factory default being 001




 


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: egixe4 on Tuesday February 14 2017 22:42:31 AEDT PM
  
  
Quote from: egixe4

We, both myself and YF thought that, JP's review was fair based on his limited knowledge and experience with the QED.

Mal[/size]


Agree with you Mal after reading it more carefully. Sorry.

His report IS mostly fair enough, given his limited experience with it.

  ::62::

His report is fair, as it can be fair in given circumstances.

"In given circumstances" his (their) test was driven and then published, not by pure curiosity, but by worries.

Worries are hidden in enormous profit margin difference between QED and ZED, which is about 3000 percent.

"In given circumstances", if QED was not good as is, it will be after-test verbally destroyed and terminated.

But is not.

In fact his (their) report basically tell us, that QED is at least comparable with hi-tech line of ML detectors.
After all verbal mock and fight in past, this is visually fair and honest step in all "anti" deals with QED.
Thanks JP.

This way, his report is fair, as it can be fair in given circumstances and there is no reason for any sort of  worries and further verbal fight on QED side.

QED will prove himself, without hot verbal help anywhere.

Simply let QED to do his work and be calm - to not fall out insane.

Agreed  ::62::


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 14 2017 23:07:55 AEDT PM
  
  
  

Don't wish to sound contradictory here Huego,

But we believe that JP's had the QED Gain set to high to the point where both ground noise and EMI were amplified

If you use the QED Gain like you would use a ML Gain control
This will be a common issue with ML users getting used to the QED


No probs ... I ldon't mind contrary views (espcially as you know it better than I) and can suggest what he may have overlooked.

It was suggested to me he may have used it too low (factory preset). I am not a ML user now.

 ::62::


Hi Huego,

What's Bug's take on it I wonder?
Max Gain I've been able run on the QED was 003 but in most cases it's been 001 or 002
Factory default being 001


default 001 I think


Title: Re: QED update- JP Reports
Post by: Huego on Tuesday February 14 2017 23:11:28 AEDT PM
  
  
Quote from: egixe4

We, both myself and YF thought that, JP's review was fair based on his limited knowledge and experience with the QED.

Mal[/size]


Agree with you Mal after reading it more carefully. Sorry.

His report IS mostly fair enough, given his limited experience with it.

  ::62::

His report is fair, as it can be fair in given circumstances.

"In given circumstances" his (their) test was driven and then published, not by pure curiosity, but by worries.

Worries are hidden in enormous profit margin difference between QED and ZED, which is about 3000 percent.

"In given circumstances", if QED was not good as is, it will be after-test verbally destroyed and terminated.

But is not.

In fact his (their) report basically tell us, that QED is at least comparable with hi-tech line of ML detectors.
After all verbal mock and fight in past, this is visually fair and honest step in all "anti" deals with QED.
Thanks JP.

This way, his report is fair, as it can be fair in given circumstances and there is no reason for any sort of  worries and further verbal fight on QED side.

QED will prove himself, without hot verbal help anywhere.

Simply let QED to do his work and be calm - to not fall out insane.


Good analysis & advice at this stage WM6

(There is a lull in the jungle. Perhaps the natives & animals are all resting. )

 ::62::


Title: Re: QED update: the gain and volume controls
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 23:31:44 AEDT PM
 BW their seems to be  some confusion as to what these controls do and how they should  be set up  for various ground condition. Perhaps when you have time you may care to address this issue. It might also be helpful to  explain the correct sequence of events when setting up your QED  ready to detect over typical GF ground.
I know that you are flat out and may not be able to respond immediately
doug ::419::.


Title: Re: QED update:coil sweep speed.
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 23:37:11 AEDT PM
 When i was with BW and a QED testing in his backyard i thought that the target responses seemed to be more defined and pull me up signals when the coil sweep speed was fast. I would be interested to hear from users as to whether they have observed the same thing or have found no difference or a better signal at slow sweep speeds.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:tdi-and-qed-board-size-comparison
Post by: Doug on Tuesday February 14 2017 23:51:24 AEDT PM
Someone asked for this so i have posted the link again. When you see the size of the board and the amount of soldering you realize just how much work goes into making every QED!!
http://australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com/new-board-109/tdi-and-qed-board-size-comparison/
link-http://australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum.com/new-board-109/tdi-and-qed-board-size-comparison/
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:tdi-and-qed-board-size-comparison
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday February 15 2017 01:04:41 AEDT AM
  

 When you see the size of the board and the amount of soldering you realize just how much work goes into making every QED!!

doug ::419::

Ultimately, despite much smaller PCB, QED board does not seems overpopulated or tightly packed.

Contrary, there are very visible broad unpopulated clearing line on board, probably due need to separate some electronic levels that can disturb each other function.

Evidently most of QED work are done with its processing brain and not with analog circuits muscles.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday February 15 2017 09:50:35 AEDT AM
  
  

 When you see the size of the board and the amount of soldering you realize just how much work goes into making every QED!!

doug ::419::

Ultimately, despite much smaller PCB, QED board does not seems overpopulated or tightly packed.

Contrary, there are very visible broad unpopulated clearing line on board, probably due need to separate some electronic levels that can disturb each other function.

Evidently most of QED work are done with its processing brain and not with analog circuits muscles.

Precisely WM6. All the pins on the micro (28) are used.
Re detection distance on a range of targets, a spreadsheet was posted much earlier in this thread. Doug should be able to find it as I am pressed for time. From memory, with a 12" EVO coil the smaller $2 coin registered 15" and the larger $1 coin 17".


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 10:42:05 AEDT AM
JR Beatty and I have conducted bench tests on the QED, GPZ, and 5000.
"----Finally we tested the QED with 14"Elite coil.
27oz. -22" 10oz. -21" 3.75oz. -18" 1oz. -11"
Settings for the QED were as follows. 1-139 2-50 3-38 4-5 5-2 6-51 --"
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 10:59:09 AEDT AM
  
JR Beatty and I have conducted bench tests on the QED, GPZ, and 5000.
"----Finally we tested the QED with 14"Elite coil.
27oz. -22" 10oz. -21" 3.75oz. -18" 1oz. -11"
Settings for the QED were as follows. 1-139 2-50 3-38 4-5 5-2 6-51 --"
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
doug ::419::

The result on the 1oz nugget is a little disappointing. I guess its the result of it being near a electronic GB hole?Every Pi detector that uses  null summation to cancel the ground will have an electronic hole/s when the target TC approaches the Tc of the ground. The "hole" will be  shifted when the ground has a different TC.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update::comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:05:02 AEDT AM
From this testing its easy to see why JP did not post any results on testing the QED on gold  nuggets and comparing it with the gpx or the SAD 7000!!!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:12:46 AEDT AM
I think JP did a fine job, He proved that the QED works and that is all that we can ask for, It found larger nuggets and small ones,

As for those bench tests being a PI they are never going to show massive distances where as a VLF would double those distances, But a PI excels in bad ground Not Air.


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:13:29 AEDT AM
  
JR Beatty and I have conducted bench tests on the QED, GPZ, and 5000.
"----Finally we tested the QED with 14"Elite coil.
27oz. -22" 10oz. -21" 3.75oz. -18" 1oz. -11"
Settings for the QED were as follows. 1-139 2-50 3-38 4-5 5-2 6-51 --"
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
doug ::419::

Nice.
In world without ground balancing (Air test away from soil), some VLF/IB detectors are able to perform even better, but not on real and heavy soil.
Detectors (gold detectors especially) are made to work under ground balancing on real (mostly heavy) soil. There is not nuggets to find in air.
Due to different technological approach (to GB in first line) in specific detectors models which lead to different GB behavior, air test comparisons are not relevant.
Testers should at least to sink testing targets in hole (bored in soil, preferably hot one, as showed in another tread here) and sweep with coil over its, under whole and working GB functionality, to get relevant and comparable results.


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:16:54 AEDT AM
  
  
JR Beatty and I have conducted bench tests on the QED, GPZ, and 5000.
"----Finally we tested the QED with 14"Elite coil.
27oz. -22" 10oz. -21" 3.75oz. -18" 1oz. -11"
Settings for the QED were as follows. 1-139 2-50 3-38 4-5 5-2 6-51 --"
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
link-http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1050&sid=090c366349c3325716ac72c045d16057
doug ::419::

Nice.
In world without ground balancing (Air test away from soil), some VLF detector are able to perform even better, but not on real and heavy soil.
Detectors (gold detectors especially) are made to work under ground balancing on real (mostly heavy) soil. There is not nuggets to find in air.
Due to different technological approach (to GB in first line) in specific detectors models which lead to different GB behavior, air test comparisons are not relevant.
Testers should at least to sink testing targets in hole (bored in soil, preferably hot one, as showed in another tread here) an sweep with coil over its, under whole GB functionality to get relevant and comparable results.

I am not sure how the tests were done.Someone on finders should ask perhaps.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:19:04 AEDT AM
  

I am not sure how the tests were done.Someone on finders should ask perhaps.
doug ::419::

They say "bench test", which is factually "air test".


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:29:06 AEDT AM
  
  

I am not sure how the tests were done.Someone on finders should ask perhaps.
doug ::419::

They say "bench test", which is factually "air test".

Correct! However if all the detectors are GB'd over the same ground and tested with the same nuggets with the same orientation to the TX field the tests will reveal any shortcomings for example in the Gb system that will lead to a loss of depth.This is clearly shown in the gpx test results when a smooth timing is used.The QED results are within the ball park of some earlier in ground testing on other nuggets.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: BILLY on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:41:28 AEDT AM
  I see several have the QED.  From what I read that Huego has one also.  Why has Huego not said how his is working out and gave a report yet?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:43:11 AEDT AM
The other thing that air tests can reveal are if one detector has a very much lower Tx field strength, or a  poor or deficient S/N both of which can result in a loss of sensitivity and detection range. So although not perfect by any means air tests can  provide useful info.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: mylab on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:57:07 AEDT AM
  

JR Beatty and I have conducted bench tests on the QED, GPZ, and 5000.

"----Finally we tested the QED with 14"Elite coil.

27oz. -22" 10oz. -21" 3.75oz. -18" 1oz. -11"

Settings for the QED were as follows. 1-139 2-50 3-38 4-5 5-2 6-51 --"


Of all the settings shown for the QED I very much doubt that 4-5 which I assume is the Gain set up at 5 then that setting would not handle goldfield ground.

I make that assumption due to the Gain 2 setting that Reg has been able to use in his test reports when detecting out on the goldfield with the QED.





Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday February 15 2017 11:57:24 AEDT AM
If detector is working in some sort of "ground tracking" GB technology, there is no way to retain previous to soil balanced GB, when lift to "bench" for air test.

This way we get info only that detector works, but not reliable results for comparison detectors real terrain performance too.

Real detector terrain capacity can be significantly better or worse than air test results, depend on applied (in first line GB) technology.

Par example: Does ZED need ferrite ring to ground balance to air? Sure not. But when it swing over hot ground, ferrite drops against cough are needed.

Near to (hot) soil perspective are changing.

So to get usable test results, especially for comparison mean, put coil on soil.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:02:28 AEDT PM
  
If detector is working in some sort of "ground tracking" GB technology, there is no way to retain previous to soil balanced GB, when lift to "bench" for air test.

This way we get info only that detector works, but not reliable results for comparison detectors real terrain performance too.

Real detector terrain capacity can be significantly better or worse than air test results, depend on applied (in first line GB) technology.

Par example: Does ZED need ferrite ring to ground balance to air? Sure not. But when it swing over hot ground, ferrite drops against cough are needed.

Near to (hot) soil perspective are changing.

So to get usable test results, especially for comparison mean, put coil on soil.

I read that the QED retains it's settings when it has been turned off.


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:03:27 AEDT PM
  

Of all the settings shown for the QED I very much doubt that 4-5 which I assume is the Gain set up at 5 then that setting would not handle goldfield ground.
Another question to ask Reg.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:04:25 AEDT PM
  
  
If detector is working in some sort of "ground tracking" GB technology, there is no way to retain previous to soil balanced GB, when lift to "bench" for air test.

This way we get info only that detector works, but not reliable results for comparison detectors real terrain performance too.

Real detector terrain capacity can be significantly better or worse than air test results, depend on applied (in first line GB) technology.

Par example: Does ZED need ferrite ring to ground balance to air? Sure not. But when it swing over hot ground, ferrite drops against cough are needed.

Near to (hot) soil perspective are changing.

So to get usable test results, especially for comparison mean, put coil on soil.

I read that the QED retains it's settings when it has been turned off.

Correct!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:11:55 AEDT PM
  

I read that the QED retains it's settings when it has been turned off.


As I say, it depend on used technology.
Last auto-set "ground tracking" value will not retain, even in case when detector has lock option for "ground tracking", otherwise "ground tracking" will not work as intend.
On other side hand-set GB setting, are usually retained.
All depend on applied technology.

"Ground tracking" alike solutions of GB are in fact automated form of ground balance (where detector alone constantly check changes soil conditions and balance to it).


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:15:05 AEDT PM
  
  

I read that the QED retains it's settings when it has been turned off.


As I say, it depend on used technology.
Last auto-set "ground tracking" value will not retain, even in case when detector has lock option for "ground tracking", otherwise "ground tracking" will not work as intend.
On other side hand-set GB setting, are usually retained.
All depend on applied technology.

Yep, the beauty of the QED is it only has manual GB where they keep stuffing auto GB in modern machines which does not allow the user to off set the GB,


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: mylab on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:26:38 AEDT PM
Anyway as far as I am concerned the QED is a very well engineered detector with much potential.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:41:16 AEDT PM
  
  
  

I read that the QED retains it's settings when it has been turned off.


As I say, it depend on used technology.
Last auto-set "ground tracking" value will not retain, even in case when detector has lock option for "ground tracking", otherwise "ground tracking" will not work as intend.
On other side hand-set GB setting, are usually retained.
All depend on applied technology.

Yep, the beauty of the QED is it only has manual GB where they keep stuffing auto GB in modern machines which does not allow the user to off set the GB,

In suitable ground you can  lift  the QED  target responses by offsetting the ground  balance to  slightly positive.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:42:38 AEDT PM
  
The other thing that air tests can reveal are if one detector has a very much lower Tx field strength, or a  poor or deficient S/N both of which can result in a loss of sensitivity and detection range. So although not perfect by any means air tests can  provide useful info.
doug ::419::
True many have a QED including myself .. but due to extreme weather conditions and other factors have not been able to get out .. had answered this on other forums also .. maybe Reg is in ideal wx conditions ... But up in the NT .. real wet .... hope to get out with Dave when he gets his sorted...


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 15 2017 12:54:37 AEDT PM
  

Anyway as far as I am concerned the QED is a very well engineered detector with much potential.


Totally agree .... that engineering excellence is deserving of not just praise (as it freely gets here) but support from independent, experienced testers like Reg & others. There IS room for improvement as past testers have said ...
but it exists NOW, is available & is very competitive.

For those who said they don't have or want a QED, ("nor will I have one ever", as they "have all the detectors they need") thats fine! ... we hope they enjoy reading Reg's reports.  

Finally, BW HAS made "a machine that can truly make a difference" to prospecting in performance,  affordabilty & ease of use.  I put "my money " where my support & faith is, rather than waste it. No regrets.

 ::62::

PS:  I see BASE PRICE is now $1370 from Goldsearch Australia

Base Package Includes:

1x QED Control Box
1x Battery Box (no batteries)
2x Ferrite EMI Suppressors



Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 13:15:06 AEDT PM
  
  
  
  

I read that the QED retains it's settings when it has been turned off.


As I say, it depend on used technology.
Last auto-set "ground tracking" value will not retain, even in case when detector has lock option for "ground tracking", otherwise "ground tracking" will not work as intend.
On other side hand-set GB setting, are usually retained.
All depend on applied technology.

Yep, the beauty of the QED is it only has manual GB where they keep stuffing auto GB in modern machines which does not allow the user to off set the GB,

In suitable ground you can  lift  the QED  target responses by offsetting the ground  balance to  slightly positive.
doug ::419::

Yes that is what off setting the GB does.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 13:17:51 AEDT PM
Double Post. ::406::


Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 15 2017 13:33:43 AEDT PM
Trying to post Reg's results in a tabular format. Bench results in inches.
SUM included for comparison, all with 14" Mono Coils. Settings shown in brackets

                GPZ         GPZ          GPX         GPX         QED      
          (diff. HY)     (norm, HY)  (fine g)   (normal)   (typical*)       
         14” mono      14” mon    14” mon   14” mon    14” mon   

Nugget
27 oz         22          25              21            24              24      

10 oz         16          22              18            23              21

3.75 oz      13          18              16            21              18

1 oz           11         13,5            13            15               11

Sum         62         78,5            68             83              74

* The QED was tested "using the settings one would use in the field" (RW)

"GPZ & GPX were tested with both practical, & extreme settings.
(extreme settings rarely usable in most Victorian auriferous ground)"  (RW)


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday February 15 2017 13:51:30 AEDT PM
Thanks Huego. For those metric thinking: 1oz is about 30grams (29.6)


Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 15 2017 14:07:21 AEDT PM
For completeion with big coils & large GOLD targets. Conds of use in brackets

            GPZ       GPZ           QED         
         (diff H)    (norm.H)   (typical field)      
           19”          19”          25” mono      
   
27 oz      25”      33.5”          28.5"

10 oz      19"      31.5”          28"
            

Sum      44         65             56.5


Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 14:20:34 AEDT PM
  
Trying to posts Reg's results in a  tabular format. Bench results in inches.
SUM included for comparison with 14" Mono Coils. Conds of use shown in brackets

                GPZ         GPZ          GPX         GPX         QED      
          (diff. HY)     (norm, HY)  (fine g)  (normal )   (typical)       
         14” mono      14” mon    14” mon   14” mon    14” mon   

Nugget
27 oz         22         25              21            24              24      

10 oz         16         22              18            23              21

3.75 oz      13         18              16            21              18

1 oz           11         13,5          13            15               11

Sum         62         78,5          68             83              74



Considering the power PI's have Actual In Ground depth when you compare them to a VLF, A PI air tests badly yet they go deep in the ground yet a VLF air tests like the devil but don't go as deep, Eric Foster has made a lot of people rich over the years.


Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 15 2017 14:36:41 AEDT PM
  

Considering the power PI's have Actual In Ground depth when you compare them to a VLF, A PI air tests badly yet they go deep in the ground yet a VLF air tests like the devil but don't go as deep, Eric Foster has made a lot of people rich over the years.


Its what people wanted to see ... large GOLD TARGETS .... and it compares apples with apples (ie PI against PI), not oranges (VLF).  It is COMPARATIVE only, done under controlled conditions, with most variables noted or controlled.

No comparison against these targets, as if they are in-ground results, is suggested or inferred by Reg or anyone else. In fact he says....such "bench tests are perhaps not the most definitive measure of a detectors ability"




Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 14:42:10 AEDT PM
  
  

Considering the power PI's have Actual In Ground depth when you compare them to a VLF, A PI air tests badly yet they go deep in the ground yet a VLF air tests like the devil but don't go as deep, Eric Foster has made a lot of people rich over the years.


Its what people wanted to see ... large GOLD TARGETS .... and it compares apples with apples (ie PI against PI), not oranges (VLF).  It is COMPARATIVE only, under controlled conditions with most variables noted or controlled,

No comparison against these targets, as if they are in-ground results, is suggested or inferred by Reg or anyone else. In fact he says....such "bench tests are perhaps not the most definitive measure of a detectors ability"




It's great how PI's work, the fact they can in most cases ignore the ground and still find an item is all we want from any machine.


Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 15 2017 15:00:33 AEDT PM
  

It's great how PI's work, the fact they can in most cases ignore the ground and still find an item is all we want from any machine.


Whats REALLY GOOD for prospectors is that such a high performance, very competitive PI is now available, after such a long wait, & at such a competitive price.

BW HAS made "a machine that can truly make a difference" (RR) to prospecting in Australia, through its affordabilty & ease of use.  

PS:  I see BASE PRICE is now $1370

Speaking of Grd Balance: I see that “The QED (wearing the same coils as the 5000) seems to outperform the 5000 in most if not all cases. The ability of the QED to GB in places where the 5000 can't, is staggering...."  

WTF ... how can it do that for so little????


Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Ridge Runner on Wednesday February 15 2017 15:18:45 AEDT PM
  
  

It's great how PI's work, the fact they can in most cases ignore the ground and still find an item is all we want from any machine.


Whats REALLY GOOD for prospectors is that such a high performance, very competitive PI is now available, after such a long wait, & at such a competitive price.

BW HAS made "a machine that can truly make a difference" to prospecting in Australia, through its affordabilty & ease of use.  

PS:  I see BASE PRICE is now $1370

Speaking of Grd Balance: I see that “The QED (wearing the same coils as the 5000) seems to outperform the 5000 in most if not all cases. The ability of the QED to GB in places where the 5000 can't, is staggering...."  

WTF ... how can it do that for so little????


Well the test results are more down to who is doing the test, Some folks get impressive depth with their PI's Personally I never saw huge depths with my PI machines, so I would relate such depth down to how well a person knows their machine. Sovereign GT achieved the best depth in normal ground on a small Item but I have never been impressed with PI's in normal ground,  side by side in such soils a VLF will match them in normal ground but in hot ground a VLF just looses too much depth otherwise the results would be on par,


Title: Re: QED update- BIG Gold Tests (RW)
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 15 2017 16:15:08 AEDT PM
  

....the test results are more down to who is doing the test ...
.... I have never been impressed with PI's in normal ground,  side by side in such soils a VLF will match them in normal ground but in hot ground a VLF just looses too much depth otherwise the results would be on par,


Yes Reg did this testing, but he was formerly a ML tester is a Z owner & is independent of us.
Would it have been more beliveable if JP did these tests? Hmmm..

The threads about the QED here have NOTHING to do with any VLF.  (Suggest you stay on subject as you have been asked on other occassions when posting here & elsewhere. (Few people look for gold with a VLF in VIC or even Aust. ... none I know. Perhaps you use your VLF and PIs on a beach not in main goldfields.)

Most gold in Vic is in hot ground and PI are de rigueur. Not much gold in "quiet ground" its usually in hot noisy ground iron rich ground where PI's excel.  Most decent PI's are expensive though because of a "gold tax" but the QED is different & those who have reported on Finders (at least 4) have sung its praises,





Title: Re: QED update
Post by: geof_junk on Wednesday February 15 2017 18:17:39 AEDT PM
  
Thanks Huego. For those metric thinking: 1oz is about 30grams (29.6)


1 troy oz         = 31.1034 grams
1 oz standard  = 28.35 grams

A possible source of confusion is that gold is often priced on the open market in the more traditional troy ounce (one troy ounce is exactly 31.1034768 grams, which is larger than the avoirdupois ounce generally in use in the United States and has a mass of 28.35 grams).


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: WM6 on Wednesday February 15 2017 18:56:24 AEDT PM
  
  
Thanks Huego. For those metric thinking: 1oz is about 30grams (29.6)


1 troy oz         = 31.1034 grams
1 oz standard  = 28.35 grams

A possible source of confusion is that gold is often priced on the open market in the more traditional troy ounce (one troy ounce is exactly 31.1034768 grams, which is larger than the avoirdupois ounce generally in use in the United States and has a mass of 28.35 grams).

Thanks for corrections, geof_junk.

Those "OZ" really make some mess in metric world. I got in "oz to gram" online converter about 29.6grams.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday February 15 2017 21:25:25 AEDT PM
Doug, got my QED today. Could you start a thread with the video links on it, and lock it so it can avoid comments please?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 21:41:54 AEDT PM
  
Doug, got my QED today. Could you start a thread with the video links on it, and lock it so it can avoid comments please?

What do you want to call the thread? If its locked no one but me can post on it.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Huego on Wednesday February 15 2017 21:48:23 AEDT PM
  

Doug, got my QED today. Could you start a thread with the video links on it, and lock it so it can avoid comments please?


Thats great news Dave. Bet it was assembled within an hour!!
Good luck using it. Its the rainy season for you. We look forward to your vids in due course.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday February 15 2017 22:27:04 AEDT PM
Yep, whacked together on its temporary gpx shaft.
Managed to work it out pretty quickly, but will be keen to get out of town this weekend. Managed to get a good steady threshold, which surprised me. Started very warbely and thought it would be impossible to tame it, but after a little play around, no worries! Tested a .01 flake, no worries at about 2".... In my backyard, beside my pool, filter on, fluro light so I could see, thumbs up there, couldn't even consider that with the gpx.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday February 15 2017 22:33:40 AEDT PM
Total muck around in suburban Darwin, about 30 minutes.
I need to muck around with the bias a bit. I started at 50, and because my test piece was so small, was thinking I would need to drop it below 50, but found the opposite, and around 54-56 actually calmed the machine down. Mode I found 1 got a good response. 12" evo. That's it for now, I need to get out of town, Saturday and or Sunday. Very impressed so far. Oh, and I had to use my 7 yo daughters I pad headphones, $20 from woolies!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Wednesday February 15 2017 22:37:09 AEDT PM
As for  the video thread, just so you don't need to scroll through pages of comments to refer to the instructional bids. Maybe have an open thread, but try to keep the comments directly constructive to the subject, with out flattery or in constructive comments.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: algore_rhythm on Wednesday February 15 2017 23:53:04 AEDT PM
Hey all that took possesion of your QED's

Sincerely,i hope it meets and infact exceeds all your expectations and you find plenty of colour.

Currently, Im just lurking around here (and thank you Doug for the privilege) because the full amount i paid 3 weeks ago ($1800) for my QED was refunded and ATM i am tad hesitent to purchase just the module because i really hoped to get one fully loaded.

when i introduced myself here i declared that i have never held a MD before but i am not peturbed and am still keen to re-order but i would prefer to take delivery with a shaft and coil.

Dean at Gold search did state that a package was to be available but i dont see that option at the present.

Does anyone here know what or if any progress has been made to make that option available

Cheers
Al


Title: Re: QED update:comparison tests on large gold nuggets
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 15 2017 23:58:22 AEDT PM
  
  

JR Beatty and I have conducted bench tests on the QED, GPZ, and 5000.

"----Finally we tested the QED with 14"Elite coil.

27oz. -22" 10oz. -21" 3.75oz. -18" 1oz. -11"

Settings for the QED were as follows. 1-139 2-50 3-38 4-5 5-2 6-51 --"


Of all the settings shown for the QED I very much doubt that 4-5 which I assume is the Gain set up at 5 then that setting would not handle goldfield ground.

I make that assumption due to the Gain 2 setting that Reg has been able to use in his test reports when detecting out on the goldfield with the QED.



When i was able to speak with BW today i asked him about the gain that he has used when testing the QED over Vic GF ground.He said that he was often able to use 4. He said  if i can remember correctly that the gain is logarithmic so their will not be a huge difference between a gain of 4 or 5 and that their is little to be gained  by going any higher than this.So when Reg says he was able to use a gain of 5 that is reasonable for the ground he was testing over. On most GF ground 3-4 will be ok and for perhaps the very worst ground 2-3. Hope i have this right.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday February 16 2017 06:28:23 AEDT AM
Some more videos are planned to show more clearly what BIAS and VOLUME do.
Meanwhile, GB the detector then with the coil sitting on the ground lower BIAS until the volume of the audio rises. Notice that it is a higher pitch. Take note of the number that gave an acceptable level of background audio. Now turn the BIAS up and note that you will pass through a silent region and then the volume will start to rise again but this time with a lower pitch. Take note of this number. In the middle between the 2 noted numbers will be the "null" region. If a small coil is fitted test the BIAS out with a small target. Swinging the coil over it will produce a rising pitch response. Lower the BIAS by one count at a time and note the improvement in detection distance. Keep lowering BIAS until the background audio is at an acceptable level. If using a large coil then the reverse applies. Use a large target and raise the BIAS number above the "null" region.
If using a mid range coil and want no BIAS for either large or small targets then set BIAS to the "null" region and raise VOLUME to provide desired audio threshold.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Thursday February 16 2017 06:41:39 AEDT AM
  
Total muck around in suburban Darwin, about 30 minutes.
I need to muck around with the bias a bit. I started at 50, and because my test piece was so small, was thinking I would need to drop it below 50, but found the opposite, and around 54-56 actually calmed the machine down. Mode I found 1 got a good response. 12" evo. That's it for now, I need to get out of town, Saturday and or Sunday. Very impressed so far. Oh, and I had to use my 7 yo daughters I pad headphones, $20 from woolies!

The BIAS "null" will vary slightly between detectors and is also slightly temperature dependent.
Office Works sell some very good ear buds for $2.98.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Thursday February 16 2017 08:14:26 AEDT AM
algore rhythm good to see you are getting a detector the full package is still available you just have to go through the list and tick what you need ,start with the standard package the just add what you need batteries ,charger, shafts and what coil you need 12 evo is a good choice have a word to Dean regards john ::402::


Title: Re: QED update: QED at a gain of 1
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 11:35:47 AEDT AM
 BW did some testing the morning using his own 1oz nugget and a 12" mono(  forget what make).He Gb'd the QED over a small test patch of some beggary hill dirt at a gain of 1 and was able to sweep the coil across this patch and beyond where the mineralization is lower ie a very high mineralization contrast without any ground noise.He placed his 1oz nugget in the middle of his test patch and was still able to detect it at about 10-11".So even at the lowest gain the detection depth is close to what Reg got with his 1oz nugget  testing at a gain of 5 on the QED. The biggest impact of the gain will probably be on the smallest targets.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update: QED at a gain of 1
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 11:42:14 AEDT AM
  
BW did some testing the morning using his own 1oz nugget and a 12" mono(  forget what make).He Gb'd the QED over a small test patch of some beggary hill dirt at a gain of 1 and was able to sweep the coil across this patch and beyond where the mineralization is lower ie a very high mineralization contrast without any ground noise.He placed his 1oz nugget in the middle of his test patch and was still able to detect it at about 10-11".So even at the lowest gain the detection depth is close to what Reg got in his 1oz nugget  testing at a gain of 5 on the QED. The biggest impact of the gain will probably be on the smallest targets.
doug ::419::

The take home message from the above is that if you encounter the most horrendous ground  which forces you to run at a gain of 1 your QED will still give good depth and sensitivity.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update :false news about QED Gb
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 13:23:28 AEDT PM
 Ignore the posters elsewhere who are pushing the false news that the QED has Gb problems  and  rather listen to those that  are actually using a QED. The false news posters and liars elsewhere don't have a QED or have never used one and they are only trying to protect  vested or their own interests by posting false news!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update :false news about QED Gb
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 14:45:54 AEDT PM
  
Ignore the posters elsewhere who are pushing the false news that the QED has Gb problems  and  rather listen to those that  are actually using a QED. The false news posters and liars elsewhere don't have a QED or have never used one and they are only trying to protect  vested or their own interests by posting false news!
doug ::419::

Quotes  from some long term QED users re Gb.
jrbeatty Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:30 pm  
-”---Reg and I have never had any problems with ground balance anywhere”
http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9362&start=1005&sid=75a60206702cc34b41dce301cbb7a4d1
YF quote
"The QED wearing the same coils as the 5000, seems to outperform the 5000 in most if not all cases.
The ability of the QED to GB in places where the 5000 can't, is staggering.
Switching the 5000 to any of the smooth timings, leaves the 5000 so compromised on depth it's nothing short of ridiculous.
The QED is pulling targets the 5000 can't get close to in some places."
Other QED users  are reporting the same thing!
So who do believe those that have a QED and are using it GF in Vic, NSW,Qld or those that don't have one(who are pushing the false news that the QED has Gb problems) and are talking about something that they have ZERO knowledge or field experience with?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:false news about QED Gb
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 15:36:49 AEDT PM
 One of the  people  here who  has tested a QED prototype had some ground  that he could not balance his ML on with a mono coil but could achieve GB with the QED.BW has a sample of this ground which reads on the QED 148 by far the highest  reading so far uncounted. The ground is about 70% iron and if you drop a magnet into it the magnet picks up virtually all the ground! When BW showed me this i was amazed!This ground is worse than even  BW Beggary hill Wedderburn test patch!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:false news about QED Gb
Post by: WM6 on Thursday February 16 2017 19:05:06 AEDT PM
  
One of the  people  here who  has tested a QED prototype had some ground  that he could not balance his ML on with a mono coil but could achieve GB with the QED.BW has a sample of this ground which reads on the QED 148 by far the highest  reading so far uncounted. The ground is about 70% iron and if you drop a magnet into it the magnet picks up virtually all the ground! When BW showed me this i was amazed!This ground is worse than even  BW Beggary hill Wedderburn test patch!!!!
doug ::419::

Excellent!

Can someone check, if those hot Fe soil alone has some degree of magnetic properties too?
Mean, if dust or small parts of those soil stick to usual iron? Check to magnetite ore content.


Title: Re: QED update:false news about QED Gb
Post by: sd220d Digger on Thursday February 16 2017 22:07:04 AEDT PM
  
One of the  people  here who  has tested a QED prototype had some ground  that he could not balance his ML on with a mono coil but could achieve GB with the QED.BW has a sample of this ground which reads on the QED 148 by far the highest  reading so far uncounted. The ground is about 70% iron and if you drop a magnet into it the magnet picks up virtually all the ground! When BW showed me this i was amazed!This ground is worse than even  BW Beggary hill Wedderburn test patch!!!!
doug ::419::
G'day Doug,
Yes there's ground like that here in nsw where my gpx 5000 will not ground balance or the sdc 2300. Even a DD struggles and goes out of balance. Would be nice to know if the QED will be able to GB?


Title: Re: QED update:false news about QED Gb
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 22:51:02 AEDT PM
  
  
One of the  people  here who  has tested a QED prototype had some ground  that he could not balance his ML on with a mono coil but could achieve GB with the QED.BW has a sample of this ground which reads on the QED 148 by far the highest  reading so far uncounted. The ground is about 70% iron and if you drop a magnet into it the magnet picks up virtually all the ground! When BW showed me this i was amazed!This ground is worse than even  BW Beggary hill Wedderburn test patch!!!!
doug ::419::
G'day Doug,
Yes there's ground like that here in nsw where my gpx 5000 will not ground balance or the sdc 2300. Even a DD struggles and goes out of balance. Would be nice to know if the QED will be able to GB?


Any idea of the nature of the mineralization?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 23:13:40 AEDT PM
 I expect that their may well be some ground where the QED GB may struggle. Highly reactive ironstone margins of some WA salt lakes  might be one example although to my knowledge it has not been tested in these places. Highly reactive and conductive ground will cause problems to all detectors.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Thursday February 16 2017 23:20:44 AEDT PM
Not too sure Doug, as I've never tested it.
The soil here is red with moisture in it most of the year and no signs of iron. I've even tried salt gold mode to no effect using a mono and DD coils.


Title: Re: QED update:false news about QED Gb
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 23:23:22 AEDT PM
  
  
One of the  people  here who  has tested a QED prototype had some ground  that he could not balance his ML on with a mono coil but could achieve GB with the QED.BW has a sample of this ground which reads on the QED 148 by far the highest  reading so far uncounted. The ground is about 70% iron and if you drop a magnet into it the magnet picks up virtually all the ground! When BW showed me this i was amazed!This ground is worse than even  BW Beggary hill Wedderburn test patch!!!!
doug ::419::

Excellent!

Can someone check, if those hot Fe soil alone has some degree of magnetic properties too?
Mean, if dust or small parts of those soil stick to usual iron? Check to magnetite ore content.


I will see if i can get BW to try your test and perhaps take a picture of  some of it.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 23:34:56 AEDT PM
  
Not too sure Doug, as I've never tested it.
The soil here is red with moisture in it most of the year and no signs of iron. I've even tried salt gold mode to no effect using a mono and DD coils.

If using the salt mode has no effect then we can probably discount conductive ground. The  soil red color  however does suggest a high Fe content.If the soil  has VRM iron maghemite then the 5000 should cope with it in smooth modes.Another possibility but rather uncommon are earth currents (telluric) which  do occur here in Vic due to some SWER power line earthing or  some underground cables or pipe lines. If these are the cause then they will produce random signals and noise which may appear to be that the detector won't GB. These telluric currents tend to follow the path of least resistance ie fractures or faults or some  kinds of bedrock.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 23:40:51 AEDT PM
Another kind of ground that can be impossible to GB on is that caused by lightening strikes on some high  Fe soils.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:JP's QED testing
Post by: Doug on Thursday February 16 2017 23:54:07 AEDT PM
 Why did JP only report the  QED air test on a 5 cent coin and not other coins or more importantly gold nuggets? What is he trying to hide?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday February 17 2017 07:16:21 AEDT AM
  
Total muck around in suburban Darwin, about 30 minutes.
I need to muck around with the bias a bit. I started at 50, and because my test piece was so small, was thinking I would need to drop it below 50, but found the opposite, and around 54-56 actually calmed the machine down. Mode I found 1 got a good response. 12" evo. That's it for now, I need to get out of town, Saturday and or Sunday. Very impressed so far. Oh, and I had to use my 7 yo daughters I pad headphones, $20 from woolies!

It would appear that the batch of Nokia speakers have been supplied with batteries that have a poor shelf life. I suggest buying some ALDI AAA NiMH. The Nokia speakers shutdown if the batteries are flat or if the input signal is too high. I have some that are 4 years old and still working well.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 08:12:21 AEDT AM
I got my speaker from e bay, so its probably all the batteries supplied with that speaker, changed mine out, no worries now, ta.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: sd220d Digger on Friday February 17 2017 08:30:59 AEDT AM
  
  
Not too sure Doug, as I've never tested it.
The soil here is red with moisture in it most of the year and no signs of iron. I've even tried salt gold mode to no effect using a mono and DD coils.

If using the salt mode has no effect then we can probably discount conductive ground. The  soil red color  however does suggest a high Fe content.If the soil  has VRM iron maghemite then the 5000 should cope with it in smooth modes.Another possibility but rather uncommon are earth currents (telluric) which  do occur here in Vic due to some SWER power line earthing or  some underground cables or pipe lines. If these are the cause then they will produce random signals and noise which may appear to be that the detector won't GB. These telluric currents tend to follow the path of least resistance ie fractures or faults or some  kinds of bedrock.
doug ::419::
There are only two gullies that this happens out of the whole area of that Goldfield. Now that you've mentioned earth currents,that rings a bell because the ground noises stayed the same when the settings were changed and I've tried them all.
So earth currents seems to be the likely problem.
Might have to get the ground tested as there's a lot of deep diggings there.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Friday February 17 2017 10:04:13 AEDT AM
maybe try earth resistivity tests with a megger unit ... u could probably higher one


Title: Re: QED update:JP's QED testing
Post by: Doug on Friday February 17 2017 10:32:38 AEDT AM
  
Why did JP only report the  QED air test on a 5 cent coin and not other coins or more importantly gold nuggets? What is he trying to hide?
doug ::419::

Its not hard to understand why JP is hiding  his results on QED testing on gold nuggets!!!!!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Friday February 17 2017 11:11:05 AEDT AM
Possibly biased toward a certain brand in his modus operandi  ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 14:28:36 AEDT PM
Had a better play with my QED today, used the Nokia speaker, and it worked well. I went to the edge of one of our goldfields, BC, and the grass was really high and full of seed, so I was restricted to one very small cleared area, and a left over dozer track, where the grass allowed a little access.
Ground balanced at 134, no worries, didn't need to re balance at all. Bias ....played around with the bias, and finnaly settled on 54-56 as that seemed to make the QED as stable as it could be. And on those settings, I had no problems picking up all of my targets, from 0.15 gm gold, 1.5 gm gold, 5.96gm gold, 3.5 gm lead and 37 gm lead.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Friday February 17 2017 14:34:11 AEDT PM
  
And on those settings, I had problems picking up all of my targets, from 0.15 gm gold, 1.5 gm gold, 5.96gm gold, 3.5 gm lead and 37 gm lead.

That doesn't sound good....


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 14:35:40 AEDT PM
I buried and marked the two bits of lead, the 3.5 gm is at 7.5 inches and the QED with 12" evo pings it very clearly, the 37 gm one is at 11.5 inches, with about another inch piled on top so it will settle in time. Again the QED picked it up with the 12" evo, but not as well as the 7.5 inch target. Did not suffer ground noise, and I did have a few emi spikes, but at this time of the year, I expect that, and at the same area, I have had to leave because of emi, its right on the highway, next to the rest stop, gef12 will know where I mean. All up, I love the QED, easy to use and light. The 0.15 speck I didn't bury, but I picked it up at over 3 inches very clearly. Took some video, and will try to load it on u tube.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 17 2017 14:36:20 AEDT PM
  
Had a better play with my QED today, used the Nokia speaker, and it worked well. I went to the edge of one of our goldfields, BC, and the grass was really high and full of seed, so I was restricted to one very small cleared area, and a left over dozer track, where the grass allowed a little access.
Ground balanced at 134, no worries, didn't need to re balance at all. Bias ....played around with the bias, and finnaly settled on 54-56 as that seemed to make the QED as stable as it could be. And on those settings, I had problems picking up all of my targets, from 0.15 gm gold, 1.5 gm gold, 5.96gm gold, 3.5 gm lead and 37 gm lead.
do you mean I had  NO problems picking up all of my targets, from 0.15 gm gold, 1.5 gm gold, 5.96gm gold, 3.5 gm lead and 37 gm lead.?
doug ::419::




Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 14:49:18 AEDT PM
Crap, yes I meant I had NO PROBLEMS picking up all of my targets, sorry about that.  I did try in the long grass, and dug my 1st real target, it was just a small bit of tin, but I'm going to try a pushed area tomorrow.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Friday February 17 2017 14:51:49 AEDT PM
  
Crap, yes I meant I had NO PROBLEMS picking up all of my targets, sorry about that.  I did try in the long grass, and dug my 1st real target, it was just a small bit of tin, but I'm going to try a pushed area tomorrow.

Thanks! Had me and BW worried for a while!!! Good to know that you like the QED so far!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Friday February 17 2017 15:33:21 AEDT PM
  
I buried and marked the two bits of lead, the 3.5 gm is at 7.5 inches and the QED with 12" evo pings it very clearly, the 37 gm one is at 11.5 inches, with about another inch piled on top so it will settle in time. Again the QED picked it up with the 12" evo, but not as well as the 7.5 inch target. Did not suffer ground noise, and I did have a few emi spikes, but at this time of the year, I expect that, and at the same area, I have had to leave because of emi, its right on the highway, next to the rest stop, gef12 will know where I mean. All up, I love the QED, easy to use and light. The 0.15 speck I didn't bury, but I picked it up at over 3 inches very clearly. Took some video, and will try to load it on u tube.

Probably the dirty generator down the track ...lol
hope it be fine tmw .. thanks for the post Dave


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 15:44:32 AEDT PM
  
  
Crap, yes I meant I had NO PROBLEMS picking up all of my targets, sorry about that.  I did try in the long grass, and dug my 1st real target, it was just a small bit of tin, but I'm going to try a pushed area tomorrow.

Thanks! Had me and BW worried for a while!!! Good to know that you like the QED so far!
doug ::419::

No need to worry fellas, its a bloody good metal detector. Thanks.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Friday February 17 2017 16:04:17 AEDT PM
Well I have read enough reports now to put my name on the wait list. Changing jobs now to another mine but this one is a week on/week off roster so when things cool down enough up here I will be giving the QED a red hot workout. There is a certain property out west that does the "pay to play" thing and has only been catering to detectorists for a couple of years with some good finds in that time so that's me sorted......  ::419:: 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 17:11:10 AEDT PM
https://youtu.be/5kGvxlYDUbY

https://youtu.be/KJy7Y7yMnn8

Hope you don't mind a couple of clips on Doug, feel free to move or remove them if you don't like them....I'm no film maker!


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Friday February 17 2017 18:20:34 AEDT PM
Hi Davent
thanks for the video , nice to see it in action
and yep, a bit green up your way
keep'em coming
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Eski on Friday February 17 2017 18:32:39 AEDT PM
Hey Dave, Next time you are out test the Mode by having coil on ground and elevating the target. you will need to re- ground balance for each mode change but you only do the exercise once per coil - Then write the Mode number on the coil with Permanent marker...

On a side note - would have thought you'd get those targets a bit deeper...


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 18:53:30 AEDT PM
Deffinatly could have got the 3.5 gm a bit deeper, its was 7.5 inches and loud and clear. The 37 gram one I thought would have boomed in, but didn't.....bias?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Friday February 17 2017 21:11:34 AEDT PM
The small target is a rising pitch and the large a falling pitch.
When looking for both rising and falling pitch targets it's best to put BIAS in the neutral position (around 50) and raise VOLUME to create your desired threshold level. To ascertain neutral BIAS (which does change a bit with temperature) locate the neutral position which is determined by raising and lowering it and taking note of the numbers. Let's say as you raise BIAS until it starts to get to a certain volume level at 57, Lower it through the null point until you get the same volume level at perhaps 44. The range is 57-44=13. Halve the 13 say 6 and add 6 to 44=50 and you now have the null point. It sound complex but easy when you know how.
To determine if a buried target is a nail, swing at it from different angles and if the signal changes to a "double" at a different angle then it's probably a nail.
Sometimes when a target is only picked up on one swing direction and not the other it indicates that the target is at the threshold of detection distance. Instead of swinging sideways over the target (the norm) try moving the coil forward and backwards over it. Often you will then hear it in both directions. Methinks it's coil related.
When swinging over a target allow the audio to recover before swinging back the other way. You will figure all this stuff on your own. I am just trying to speed up the learning process.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Davent on Friday February 17 2017 22:12:27 AEDT PM
Cheers
OK, I think I accidentally found the null today, at around 54,


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Saturday February 18 2017 12:03:14 AEDT PM
I have a QED on order and are thinking of using lipo batteries 7.4 volt just wondering what mah to get 3300 I was looking at but not sure how many hour detecting I could do with them thanks ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Saturday February 18 2017 14:41:45 AEDT PM
  
I have a QED on order and are thinking of using lipo batteries 7.4 volt just wondering what mah to get 3300 I was looking at but not sure how many hour detecting I could do with them thanks ::419::

You need 2 Lithium cells in series to get 7.4v. The QED draws around 450mA so 2 * Li batteries will last for 3300/450=7.33 HRS.
If you add another pair in parallel the time will of course double.


Title: Re: QED update:QED and Gb a users experience
Post by: Doug on Saturday February 18 2017 21:39:19 AEDT PM
QED and Gb
Excerpt from  Davent's post on prospectingaustralia forum
“I managed to balance and use my QED today in an area where I just can't use my gpx, and even one of my mates has trouble with his zed.”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=14
Link-https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=14
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:QED and Gb a users experience
Post by: Doug on Saturday February 18 2017 22:37:37 AEDT PM
  
QED and Gb
Excerpt from  Davent's post on prospectingaustralia forum
“I managed to balance and use my QED today in an area where I just can't use my gpx, and even one of my mates has trouble with his zed.”
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=14
Link-https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=20158&p=14
doug ::419::

You do get some silly questions on the QED! Like Golden Gus asking how it will go through salty sand. Not to much salty sand in the goldfields except for some places in WA!!  The QED is not designed for this kind of terrain and does not have a specific salt timing unlike a GPX.  I think BW may have tried it at the beach over dry sand?I have already stated in an earlier post that I think the QED GB may struggle over the ironstone margins of WA salt lakes and maybe over the salt lakes themselves.  The QED GB can't do everything but its designed to work well over the overwhelming majority of typical GF ground which so far its doing !
doug ::419::



Title: Re: QED update :QED gb and earth field cancellation.
Post by: Doug on Saturday February 18 2017 22:57:54 AEDT PM
 Perhaps someone should ask Goldengus why he is still using the GPX4000 which cannot in  some timings properly cancel  earth fields (which the QED can!) which is why ML developed SETA!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update :a beach detector?
Post by: Doug on Sunday February 19 2017 12:16:52 AEDT PM
BW would it be possible at a later date to make a version of the QED as a beach detector?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Sunday February 19 2017 12:51:30 AEDT PM
I think many months back .. Bugs had a beach version ie without ground balance ..


Title: Re: QED update - outing
Post by: gef12 on Sunday February 19 2017 12:56:41 AEDT PM
Went out with Dave yesterday ..in the morning was real nice.
I have a prototype unit with 14 x 9 evolution
Found various targets 22 cartridges.. few 3mm BB shot, few bullets, and the tiniest of small wire that was found in a scraped area (makes u think).
Was working initially with bias in the null zone then moved it towards small targets later on ..had to re-adjust bias later due to temps i guess as remember Bugs saying something about this ..thou didnt move it all that much 1 or 2 numbers.
The coil is good on the 3 setting and had the gain around 4 ..
Dave and me experienced a bit of EMI the odd spike comming thru ..probably due to the weather conditions. All in all the machine ran quiet and was happy with it.. the ground wasnt extremely mineralized but was good country to work on.
I suggested later in the morning to go to an old patch of mine ..
I think Dave would agree that was a mistake LOL. He and I had bogged ourselves quite badly and thought we will be there for the night. After many years of fathfull service my winch decided to die on me .... anyhow Dave called up a mate of his that was in the area and eventually retrieved us both .. although my truck was a little difficult to retrieve. After 3 hot sweating hours we were out.  Black swamp mud - which is almost water .. the worst kind.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday February 19 2017 13:08:26 AEDT PM
  
BW would it be possible at a later date to make a version of the QED as a beach detector?
doug ::419::

The MODES go up to 8. MODE 9 will be Beach Mode in the next firmware update available free to all owners.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Sunday February 19 2017 16:26:28 AEDT PM
BW are you useing any voltage step up circuitry or does the QED just run on 7.4 volts ?


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday February 19 2017 16:36:56 AEDT PM
  
BW are you useing any voltage step up circuitry or does the QED just run on 7.4 volts ?

The TX voltage is generated by an inverting (or negative) SMPS that is controlled by the micro. This makes it easy to synchronise to reduce noise and also provides a fixed TX voltage even when the battery voltage drops. Increasing the battery voltage is not beneficial at all.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday February 19 2017 18:02:47 AEDT PM
Hi Bugs
Been talkin to a few people (old farts like me) about the little beast ,
and they have said they would buy a Qed if it had auto g/b and bais
there not keen on doing it them selves/not confident enough
any chance of an of a Qed with auto g/b and bias for the future Qed version.
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Sunday February 19 2017 18:07:21 AEDT PM
  
Hi Bugs
Been talkin to a few people (old farts like me) about the little beast ,
and they have said they would buy a Qed if it had auto g/b and bais
there not keen on doing it them selves/not confident enough
any chance of an of a Qed with auto g/b and bias for the future Qed version.
cheers red

It's on the "to do" list, no time frame though.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Sunday February 19 2017 18:19:32 AEDT PM
Hi Bugs
thanks for the reply ,
there waiting ,lol
red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Monday February 20 2017 08:53:47 AEDT AM
Morning Bugs
well after some discussion about detectors last night with the old timer crew (grey nomads)
your reply about the auto g/b and bais on the to do list
what can i say , GET IT HAPPENING , ASAP , ::73::
they like the weight and also that you can hip mount the beast,and use diffrent coils
not like others that are restrcting you to only one brand at unrealistic prices
hurry up and get that pick pack machine so you can work on the above
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Monday February 20 2017 10:30:11 AEDT AM
Hi Bugs
Question do you have to remove the Ferrite EMI Suppressors from the coil cable
if you are useing those coils on another type of detector ,
or can they stay on the cable and it wont matter.
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: gef12 on Monday February 20 2017 14:23:41 AEDT PM
I think I can answer that .. you can leave them on .. it will only benifit if anything ..in reducing other EMI types in area


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Monday February 20 2017 14:30:10 AEDT PM
  
I think I can answer that .. you can leave them on .. it will only benifit if anything ..in reducing other EMI types in area

Spot on !


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Monday February 20 2017 15:15:08 AEDT PM
Thanks guys
red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 20 2017 23:55:01 AEDT PM
  
Morning Bugs
well after some discussion about detectors last night with the old timer crew (grey nomads)
your reply about the auto g/b and bais on the to do list
what can i say , GET IT HAPPENING , ASAP , ::73::
they like the weight and also that you can hip mount the beast,and use diffrent coils
not like others that are restrcting you to only one brand at unrealistic prices
hurry up and get that pick pack machine so you can work on the above
cheers red


Things like an auto g/b  etc will have to remain on hold for the foreseeable future until BW can satisfy the demand for the QED which  still remains very strong.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Tuesday February 21 2017 11:35:36 AEDT AM
Hi Bugs
The grey nomads have asked me to pass this on to you,
SO LIGHT ,UNBELIVABLE, A HUGE BIG PLUS FOR US AT THIS AGE ,THANKS HOWARD ,
we love the detector size and the fact it is home growen/australian made ,
thank you from the grey nomads
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Tuesday February 21 2017 13:44:54 AEDT PM
Hi BW, whats your most successful method of soldering SMD
you are probably getting good at it now  ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday February 21 2017 14:13:34 AEDT PM
  
Hi Bugs
The grey nomads have asked me to pass this on to you,
SO LIGHT ,UNBELIVABLE, A HUGE BIG PLUS FOR US AT THIS AGE ,THANKS HOWARD ,
we love the detector size and the fact it is home growen/australian made ,
thank you from the grey nomads
cheers red

And it can only get better.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Tuesday February 21 2017 14:15:13 AEDT PM
  
Hi BW, whats your most successful method of soldering SMD
you are probably getting good at it now  ::419::

I use a solder paste dispenser that is driven by compressed air and a hot air gun.
There is a LOT of work in each board.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Tuesday February 21 2017 19:45:34 AEDT PM
Hi bugs, can you please advise the internal measurements (LxHxW) of the battery box please. I have settled on an advertised 7.4v 7000mah li-po battery (15hr's run time approx) and I just want to be sure the supplied battery box will have enough elbow room on the internals or will have to look around for an alternative.
TIA  ::419:: 


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: pedro on Tuesday February 21 2017 21:45:04 AEDT PM
I am planning on using 2 x 18650 Li-ion batteries to power my QED.
The ones I have are Blazar 3500 mAH and to get a practical idea of how long they might last I hooked  them up to a couple of light bulbs.
Drawing 560 ma the batteries showed a voltage of a bit over 8v under load to start with and after 4 hrs. of continuous running they were at a bit over 6.9v, which I believe is about as low as you should go with these batteries to preserve their longevity.
These batteries only weigh 47g ea. fully charged ( i'm sure they must be a bit lighter after 4 hrs. of use  ::24::) and with a spare set you will easily get a full days use of the detector.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday February 22 2017 07:06:57 AEDT AM
You can work on a battery box clear space of 100mmL * 57mmW * 39mmH.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Dusty641 on Wednesday February 22 2017 07:30:47 AEDT AM
Thanks for that bugs  ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Wednesday February 22 2017 07:42:42 AEDT AM
advice please I took a QED out for a test yesterday to a old patch on a ironstone hill.With  a 12 evo gain at 1 bais set as described above and GB set I found it just impossible to work the hill ,I decided to change the coil to a 5x10 nf reset the detector to suit still a bit more noise than I like any clues on what is the best setting on noisy ironstone ground regards john ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 22 2017 09:21:02 AEDT AM
  
advice please I took a QED out for a test yesterday to a old patch on a ironstone hill.With  a 12 evo gain at 1 bais set as described above and GB set I found it just impossible to work the hill ,I decided to change the coil to a 5x10 nf reset the detector to suit still a bit more noise than I like any clues on what is the best setting on noisy ironstone ground regards john ::62::

Where is the ironstone hill? Did you talk to Dean about it? If so what did he say? Did the QED Gb ok at other GF places you tried? ie was it only just this ironstone hill that caused problems?
doug ::419::

edited;Wednesday February 22 2017 10:03:29 AEDT AM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 22 2017 10:21:50 AEDT AM
  
advice please I took a QED out for a test yesterday to a old patch on a ironstone hill.With  a 12 evo gain at 1 bais set as described above and GB set I found it just impossible to work the hill ,I decided to change the coil to a 5x10 nf reset the detector to suit still a bit more noise than I like any clues on what is the best setting on noisy ironstone ground regards john ::62::

What were the  all the settings that you used with the evo and what was the serial No of the QED?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: 6666 on Wednesday February 22 2017 10:33:34 AEDT AM
  
  
Hi BW, whats your most successful method of soldering SMD
you are probably getting good at it now  ::419::

I use a solder paste dispenser that is driven by compressed air and a hot air gun.
There is a LOT of work in each board.

Thanks, yes sure is a lot of work, back in the 1980's my biggest thru hole pcb had over 1500 solder joints, and it worked. ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 22 2017 10:42:34 AEDT AM
  
  
advice please I took a QED out for a test yesterday to a old patch on a ironstone hill.With  a 12 evo gain at 1 bais set as described above and GB set I found it just impossible to work the hill ,I decided to change the coil to a 5x10 nf reset the detector to suit still a bit more noise than I like any clues on what is the best setting on noisy ironstone ground regards john ::62::

What were the  all the settings that you used with the evo and what was the serial No of the QED?
doug ::419::

The reason I ask  about the QED serial number is so that BW can look at the QED in question to make sure that it does not have a fault. The other reason is ask about the serial number is that if you are a  QED owner then i can add you  to the growing QED users list  and then you can post on a private board i have set up for QED owners.
doug ::419::

edited:Wednesday February 22 2017 11:01:28 AEDT AM


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Wednesday February 22 2017 11:54:26 AEDT AM
Took the QED out today,  the 12X7 nf and the qed was the best match I have found so far it GB ok and held the GB regards john ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 22 2017 12:10:02 AEDT PM
  
Took the QED out today,  the 12X7 nf and the qed was the best match I have found so far it GB ok and held the GB regards john ::62::

Thanks.Here is a Gb'ing tip.For the very worst ground that is causing Gb problems increase the QED MODE if necessary to 8 and carefully re GB again. This is particularity applicable to any EVO coil or any large mono.You will lose some depth and sensitivity to sub .2  gram gold but for most larger gold you will lose very little or no depth/sensitivity at mode 8.
hope this helps,
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Wednesday February 22 2017 12:24:22 AEDT PM
Thanks for that tip very much appreciated regards john ::62::


Title: Re: QED update : Gbing over very hot ground
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 22 2017 12:43:46 AEDT PM
 BW on very hot ground would you avoid trying to Gb the QED coil over the last inch (perhaps even 1/12 inches?) above the ground and then maintain this  coil height when sweeping across the ground? I  guess the Gb'ing over very hot ground also has to be done very slowly?
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: bugwhiskers on Wednesday February 22 2017 13:31:24 AEDT PM
Testing has shown that winding MODE (sample delay) out to the maximum of 8 has no impact on the detection distance on my 0.24 g test nugget. If over stinking hot ground, don't be afraid to wind the MODE up higher. Furthermore, if using a large MONO coil the MODE at 8 will have zero impact on larger targets and will certainly tame the response to ground noises.


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 22 2017 15:07:54 AEDT PM
  
Testing has shown that winding MODE (sample delay) out to the maximum of 8 has no impact on the detection distance on my 0.24 g test nugget. If over stinking hot ground, don't be afraid to wind the MODE up higher. Furthermore, if using a large MONO coil the MODE at 8 will have zero impact on larger targets and will certainly tame the response to ground noises.

I guess at mode 8 that every coil  size/brand will  also work well.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Wednesday February 22 2017 15:41:11 AEDT PM
great info thanks ::62::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Wednesday February 22 2017 15:41:56 AEDT PM
  
  
  
advice please I took a QED out for a test yesterday to a old patch on a ironstone hill.With  a 12 evo gain at 1 bais set as described above and GB set I found it just impossible to work the hill ,I decided to change the coil to a 5x10 nf reset the detector to suit still a bit more noise than I like any clues on what is the best setting on noisy ironstone ground regards john ::62::

What were the  all the settings that you used with the evo and what was the serial No of the QED?
doug ::419::

The reason I ask  about the QED serial number is so that BW can look at the QED in question to make sure that it does not have a fault. The other reason is ask about the serial number is that if you are a  QED owner then i can add you  to the growing QED users list  and then you can post on a private board i have set up for QED owners.
doug ::419::

edited:Wednesday February 22 2017 11:01:28 AEDT AM

Any QED owners  please feel free if you wish to post in this public  QED update board instead of the private board. I set up the private QED users board simply because the organized rent a crowd  are attacking and attempting to intimidate  people from posting here or  on other forums.The rent a crowd motives are obvious but are having little effect on  QED sales or interest! ::62::
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update Another QED GB question answered
Post by: Doug on Monday February 27 2017 09:48:54 AEDT AM
I asked this question  of a QED users in Vic who also has a 5000.
With the ground you describe above that the 5000 can't Gb on with the evo coil can the QED GB on it with the same coil?
The answer
Yes Doug, the QED balanced fine with the same coil, mode 5 and gain at 1 if I remember correctly.
But I'm finding the 18" NF advantage runs smoother overall.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:B/S and downright lies on some forums about the QED Gb'ing
Post by: Doug on Monday February 27 2017 10:12:53 AEDT AM
 Their is some B/S and downright lies on some "forums" ::620:: about the QED Gb'ing ability. Their is now enough  feedback from QED users in 4 states to say with confidence that the QED will GB over the overwhelming majority of typical GF ground.  But  the QED GB is not universal and their may be some ground which it may not GB over.Similarly as with any  Pi detector(inc ML's) that uses null summation methods to cancel the ground the QED may not detect or detect very poorly some nuggets that have TC close to the ground TC (electronic holes) or some nuggets that have very short Tc's.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: redcaveman on Monday February 27 2017 10:36:20 AEDT AM
Hi all
seems a bit quiet any news on Qed videos yet
(a picture paints a thousand words ,imagine what a video will do)
cheers red


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: Doug on Monday February 27 2017 10:41:59 AEDT AM
  
Hi all
seems a bit quiet any news on Qed videos yet
(a picture paints a thousand words ,imagine what a video will do)
cheers red

Bw is trying to get some instructional QED videos done but time is the problem for him at the moment.But any videos made by QED users would be welcome!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update:"OLD MATE" making a goat of himself on finders!
Post by: Doug on Monday February 27 2017 13:35:02 AEDT PM
"OLD MATE"  ::502::  ::500::
" Just to get it on the market even though it does not work right." Just more fake news!
I bet"OLD MATE" or should it be silly  Oldgoat ::620:: cannot tell us what he means by the QED not working right! No doubt he is speaking from personal knowledge ::401:: ::63:: and experience  of the QED!
doug ::419::



Title: Re: QED update :1 0z of nuggets with his QED
Post by: Doug on Monday February 27 2017 16:10:32 AEDT PM
 Another QED user has found over 1 0z in nuggets in the last few days but nothing big yet! This user has a 5000 and the SAD7000 but the QED is now his  prime prospecting detector.When the weather cools and the  trout streams close for fishing I will hit the GF myself with a QED.
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update :1 0z of nuggets with his QED
Post by: Doug on Monday February 27 2017 16:40:09 AEDT PM
  
Another QED user has found over 1 0z in nuggets in the last few days but nothing big yet! This user has a 5000 and the SAD7000 but the QED is now his  prime prospecting detector.When the weather cools and the  trout streams close for fishing I will hit the GF myself with a QED.
doug ::419::

This QED users is also  NOT having any Gb'ing problem with his QED. I think he has already paid for his QED may times over with the gold he has so far found!
doug ::419::


Title: Re: QED update
Post by: oldhand on Monday February 27 2017 17:42:27 AEDT PM
I was using a QED today with a 12 evo  mode on 6 ,gain on 2 and found it running very stable even good under power lines regards john ::62::