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« on: Thursday August 29 2019 00:08:52 AEST AM »

I watched the news yesterday in regards to the BUGU March and then they showed a speech in parliament and one MP said that only 4000+ signatures were signed for support for BUGU, that just shows poor effort of PMAV.
I'm sure there is a lot more members on PMAV, yet the signatures do not stack up?
There was a very strong voice in parliament about locking up State Forests, reasons being......... Minimum human impact.
The green terrorists seem to have a stronger Influence.

They should concentrate on feral animals eating our wildlife to extinction.


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« Reply #1 on: Thursday August 29 2019 11:31:32 AEST AM »

Sounds odd, 4000 signatures? on what doc? i sign all petitions and loose track of what i sign  but i don't think this one came past me. Was it was well Pushed?....

BUGU appeals not only to PMAV, but horse riders, 4wd enthusiats, hunters , etc. 4000 is not al lot considering all of these groups which to me says the petition was poorly communicated.
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday August 29 2019 12:08:21 AEST PM »

  
Sounds odd, 4000 signatures? on what doc? i sign all petitions and loose track of what i sign  but i don't think this one came past me. Was it was well Pushed?....

BUGU appeals not only to PMAV, but horse riders, 4wd enthusiats, hunters , etc. 4000 is not al lot considering all of these groups which to me says the petition was poorly communicated.

It was addressed in Victorian parliament by a female MP.
I too thought it was odd, but thats what the channel 9 news showed.
It's like they were downplaying the March.
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday August 31 2019 15:54:28 AEST PM »

  
  
Sounds odd, 4000 signatures? on what doc? i sign all petitions and loose track of what i sign  but i don't think this one came past me. Was it was well Pushed?....

BUGU appeals not only to PMAV, but horse riders, 4wd enthusiats, hunters , etc. 4000 is not al lot considering all of these groups which to me says the petition was poorly communicated.

It was addressed in Victorian parliament by a female MP.
I too thought it was odd, but thats what the channel 9 news showed.
It's like they were downplaying the March.

I found out that there were actually 20,000+ signatures.
Just goes to show that the politicians have played down the BUGU March.
Looks like they'll just let VEAC go ahead as planned.

I have been told that the PMAV has been politically motivated and that's why they have not been getting much done for us prospectors in the last few years.
Being ripped off is an understatement.
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday September 1 2019 16:12:35 AEST PM »

The PMAV have been gullible enough to be manipulated by coalition politicians, and now looks more like an arm of the One Nation party rather than representing all prospectors. They have aligned themselves with bow hunters, loggers, trail bike riders, and other groups that have nothing to do with prospecting. Even people who advocate the protection of brumbies in the Australian bush.
It was obvious that the journalists who covered the event did so in a less than enthusiastic manner. Reaction to media coverage from some of the BUGU people was to accuse them of 'left bias'. Reaction of the general public could be described as "ho hum'.
This BUGU mob, assembled by the less than intelligent head of the PMAV in central Victoria, seem to have a self righteous, and self centered attitude that does not wash with the bulk of the population who just see them as a bunch of whinging rednecks.
Opposition politicians were in ready supply, making all sorts of promises of backing, as they would be expected to do, knowing that it was all just hot air, and would be instantly forgotten should they gain power at some future time, and the brain dead mob enthusiastically cheered them on.
One female who is a paid up member of a right wing political party repeatedly denigrated and blamed indigenous people for what she perceived to be a plot to keep us out of the bush.
I'm afraid the PMAV, now a political movement should be scrapped, and a new nonaligned group formed that is dedicated to the rights of prospectors and miners, and not other groups that have nothing to do with us.
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday September 1 2019 18:39:06 AEST PM »

What I don't understand why people have re-elected the PMAV president when she was replaced by another, only to behave really badly behind the scenes to have Ollie leave as he did???
The current PMAV president is a failed politician, who  only thinks of herself. That's why her husband is second in charge.

PMAV members need to vote for a president that's a true prospector.
Or at least not be political in any way.
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« Reply #6 on: Monday September 2 2019 05:38:41 AEST AM »

  
What I don't understand why people have re-elected the PMAV president when she was replaced by another, only to behave really badly behind the scenes to have Ollie leave as he did???
The current PMAV president is a failed politician, who  only thinks of herself. That's why her husband is second in charge.

PMAV members need to vote for a president that's a true prospector.
Or at least not be political in any way.
Bravo
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« Reply #7 on: Monday September 2 2019 06:39:25 AEST AM »

I joined my local PMAV in the hope that they would get behind the QED. I was very wrong. My observations to date are that the PMAV is just a marketing tool for Minelab. I would like to see signed affidavits from all PMAV management past and present re ever buying or been gifted Codan/Minelab shares.

Did Peter Lalor play cards and drink beer with the Troopers the night before the Eureka Rebellion?

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« Reply #8 on: Monday September 2 2019 09:24:14 AEST AM »

  
I joined my local PMAV in the hope that they would get behind the QED. I was very wrong. My observations to date are that the PMAV is just a marketing tool for Minelab. I would like to see signed affidavits from all PMAV management past and present re ever buying or been gifted Codan/Minelab shares.

Did Peter Lalor play cards and drink beer with the Troopers the night before the Eureka Rebellion?



Ah, no he didn’t
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« Reply #9 on: Monday September 2 2019 10:29:10 AEST AM »

  
The PMAV have been gullible enough to be manipulated by coalition politicians, and now looks more like an arm of the One Nation party rather than representing all prospectors. They have aligned themselves with bow hunters, loggers, trail bike riders, and other groups that have nothing to do with prospecting. Even people who advocate the protection of brumbies in the Australian bush.
It was obvious that the journalists who covered the event did so in a less than enthusiastic manner. Reaction to media coverage from some of the BUGU people was to accuse them of 'left bias'. Reaction of the general public could be described as "ho hum'.
This BUGU mob, assembled by the less than intelligent head of the PMAV in central Victoria, seem to have a self righteous, and self centered attitude that does not wash with the bulk of the population who just see them as a bunch of whinging rednecks.
Opposition politicians were in ready supply, making all sorts of promises of backing, as they would be expected to do, knowing that it was all just hot air, and would be instantly forgotten should they gain power at some future time, and the brain dead mob enthusiastically cheered them on.
One female who is a paid up member of a right wing political party repeatedly denigrated and blamed indigenous people for what she perceived to be a plot to keep us out of the bush.
I'm afraid the PMAV, now a political movement should be scrapped, and a new nonaligned group formed that is dedicated to the rights of prospectors and miners, and not other groups that have nothing to do with us.

The above is sad  but true!
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« Reply #10 on: Monday September 2 2019 19:08:34 AEST PM »

It is a $hit state of affairs unfortunately.

Totally unfounded:  How many active miners are active in the management of the pmav? i dare say none. and that is the issue. If your livelyhood is affected the motivation to fight is 100 times more.

I don't want to loose land as much as the next guy , but if i was actively mining/ had gone through a lease application in one of the affected areas i would be furious....  as a recreational prospector i would just go into said area and prospect anyway. Flyshits chance of getting caught.

Were was the pmav when the dredging ban came into affect? or forests such as Kara Kara were turned into national parks?

What is the alternative body? it has to be a lobby group lead by the dwindling miners left in Victoria.
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« Reply #11 on: Monday September 2 2019 19:14:26 AEST PM »

I hate to add , but not enough people in PMAV management have the experience required of such a group, and thus will never succeed.

di do the same boffins get voted in? lack of better candidates (and poor advertising) of an unpaid position....
In Peter Lalor days the PMAV was more like a union due to the huge mass of miners. those miners would have contributed in some way because their income depended on it. the PMAV was formed to prevent injustice to miners livelyhoods. 

What is it now? a hobby gathering group. Pass around yer 10g nuggets go ooh ahh. Monthly topics are a joke also.
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« Reply #12 on: Monday September 2 2019 19:54:11 AEST PM »

Does anyone know if the interstate equivalents are representing their state (issues) any better than the PMAV.

This is not a leading question, just interested to know whether they are a better and a suitable model to follow.

Cheers Goldman
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« Reply #13 on: Monday September 2 2019 20:13:14 AEST PM »

The way I see the PMAV is that they have newsletters, meetings, sandwiches, tea and coffee and cake and BBQs.
Meetings, and tell people their money is being spent in a good manner in the newsletters.
Photos with politicians to make them look good.
Tell people they care.
Tell people to get up and do rallies.

WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON............ Well the PMAV has to look good to justify spending peoples money and all of the above keeps them busy and makes them look good.

Keep the people happy with a newsletter, get them to meetings
Have cake, tea and coffee
Have BBQs
Have more meetings
Keep them occupied
Tell them to do thier own rallies
Take photos with politicians
Smile and be happy,
It's all being paid for.
Did I say,  I'm not happy about state forests being taken away.
Don't worry, lets do it all again  shit happens!

Someone's got to do it!

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday September 3 2019 17:34:18 AEST PM »

  
The way I see the PMAV is that they have newsletters, meetings, sandwiches, tea and coffee and cake and BBQs.
Meetings, and tell people their money is being spent in a good manner in the newsletters.
Photos with politicians to make them look good.
Tell people they care.
Tell people to get up and do rallies.

WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON............ Well the PMAV has to look good to justify spending peoples money and all of the above keeps them busy and makes them look good.

Keep the people happy with a newsletter, get them to meetings
Have cake, tea and coffee
Have BBQs
Have more meetings
Keep them occupied
Tell them to do thier own rallies
Take photos with politicians
Smile and be happy,
It's all being paid for.
Did I say,  I'm not happy about state forests being taken away.
Don't worry, lets do it all again  shit happens!

Someone's got to do it!


Probably fairly close to the mark!
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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday September 3 2019 20:37:29 AEST PM »

I don't think I will be renewing my PMAV membership. Primarily because of the political biases of their officers (and members).

But before we criticise what they do for prospectors, perhaps we should ask them some basic questions:

   - do they have and have they fulfilled their stated purposes?
   - What are these purposes, and
   - should they change such purposes or should they be refined?
   - How are the principle players chosen or elected and
   - how better could quality officers be attracted to represent prospectors aspirations and needs?

If they are volunteers you might not be surprised that organisations struggle like the PMAV struggle to attract and keep dedicated and capable officers to do their job. Many are retirees or if not still still working, with limited time and energy and resources?

Its clear that PR (the image of prospectors and their representatives, the PMAV) have on public, state government and media in maintaining access to parks and prospecting areas is vital. How can better PR be accomplished ie be more effective? Loud, noisy, grubby, cursing prospectors these days wont win over city voters who watch such performances and demonstrations on TV news.

As for the links between officers to ML? I dunno its been rumored for a long time.

Huego

PS: Donations & favours by commercial entities for publicity or seeking to influence PMAV members or their officers should be declared, or be banned or treated with some special policy. Competitions between manufacturers should be encouraged.
They should be asked to make paid adverts.
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